It's official than 1st>4th

[blazekev90]

A mokuton cage would do literally nothing to Minato who has FTG kunai planted basically everywhere in Konoha. All he would have to do is teleport away when faced with an attack that he can't dodge or counter.

One on one Hashirama stand no chance against Minato because of this, his speed, and his summons.

So your determining that the setting would be in konoha, which would give Minato the advantage since he has kunai aleverywhere. Be serious man that's bull, if anything it would be at a location where no one would have an advantage. Therefore, this kinda fukks Minato as he needs places to put his kunai, so an open battlefield wouldn't be too good for him. Hashirama as we have seen could a forest and more, having Minato surround by a bunch of shyt, and without prep planeting of kunai, he's in trouble.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

So your determining that the setting would be in konoha, which would give Minato the advantage since he has kunai aleverywhere. Be serious man that's bull, if anything it would be at a location where no one would have an advantage. Therefore, this kinda fukks Minato as he needs places to put his kunai, so an open battlefield wouldn't be too good for him. Hashirama as we have seen could a forest and more, having Minato surround by a bunch of shyt, and without prep planeting of kunai, he's in trouble.

It doesn't matter if it is in Konoha, do you think there is a range for FTG?

The point of that statement was to show that no matter where he is he can always teleport basically anywhere in Konoha to save himself from an attack that he can't counter or just dodge.

Once again he can do that from anywhere, I don't understand why you didn't think about that but like I said earlier you have an irrational hatred of Minato.

And by the way an open field is perfect for Minato because hashirama would have to create a whole new set of trees instead of branching off of existing ones, and that is a very slow attack, Hiruzen managed to escape it and he was old and weak.

 

[blazekev90]

It doesn't matter if it is in Konoha, do you think there is a range for FTG?

The point of that statement was to show that no matter where he is he can always teleport basically anywhere in Konoha to save himself from an attack that he can't counter or just dodge.

Once again he can do that from anywhere, I don't understand why you didn't think about that but like I said earlier you have an irrational hatred of Minato.

And by the way an open field is perfect for Minato because hashirama would have to create a whole new set of trees instead of branching off of existing ones, and that is a very slow attack, Hiruzen managed to escape it and he was old and weak.

So basically if his back is against the wall, he can run back to the villiage?? Yea that's such a bytch move, why would a ninja do such a move seriously. If he had to resort to that that already means he was getting owned bruh.

 

[Uchiha seeker]

nah the one that "minato all the way is shisui namikaze not him"

lol

 

[Hammy120290]

Hashirama the only time we have seen him battle is against Sarutobi although he isn't as powerful if it were not Edo as his Willpower is restrained.

We know he fought Madara and from the manga i.e. the coffin exploding open, trump card and tobi being scared sh*tless we can assume that Madara is a fckn badass and will be very difficult to fight.

BUT even then Senju was more than capable of fighting Madara whose strategy was to use the 9T but Hashirama could retake control of it from him.

Minato on the other hand we have seen fight a few times.

I can't really say tbh but I wouldn't discredit Hashirama too quickly his Brother was a Space time specialist so Hashirama would have some knowledge on how to counter these type of jutsus. Not FTG obviously but these types of jutsus wouldn't suprise him.

Hashirama is also a genius.....I dunno I am leaning towards Minato but I feel like its the wrong answer and I think the manga will prove that when we see Hashirama vs Madara in flashback in a few weeks.

 

[blazekev90]

Hashirama the only time we have seen him battle is against Sarutobi although he isn't as powerful if it were not Edo as his Willpower is restrained.

We know he fought Madara and from the manga i.e. the coffin exploding open, trump card and tobi being scared sh*tless we can assume that Madara is a fckn badass and will be very difficult to fight.

BUT even then Senju was more than capable of fighting Madara whose strategy was to use the 9T but Hashirama could retake control of it from him.

Minato on the other hand we have seen fight a few times.

I can't really say tbh but I wouldn't discredit Hashirama too quickly his Brother was a Space time specialist so Hashirama would have some knowledge on how to counter these type of jutsus. Not FTG obviously but these types of jutsus wouldn't suprise him.

Hashirama is also a genius.....I dunno I am leaning towards Minato but I feel like its the wrong answer and I think the manga will prove that when we see Hashirama vs Madara in flashback in a few weeks.

good points man, and understandable,...rep!

 

[Revan]

A mokuton cage would do literally nothing to Minato who has FTG kunai planted basically everywhere in Konoha. All he would have to do is teleport away when faced with an attack that he can't dodge or counter.

One on one Hashirama stand no chance against Minato because of this, his speed, and his summons.

the mokuton cage would stop minato from attacking, because he has to bust through the cage and is going to be entangled as soon as he attacks it. it's like gaara's sand, with the exception that it doesnt flow but grows and is more solid..

i still think his summons wont do a thing. about the back-teleporting: yes, it is probably almost impossible to finally kill minato if you dont try to kill kushina or destroy konoha, but if he escapes because he cant see a way to win, then in my eyes that's a sign of being weaker.

 

[s0ulja]

regardless of the location minato would be capable of using ftg in the battlefield(anywhere he places the seal), n im sure rasengan is more than capable of busting down trees
two of his summon's are expert sage's n lookin at those massive frogs there not to be messed with
plus hashi never 'controlled' the fox..his power only allows him to supress it with the help of that necklace

 

[Swizzik]

Obviously he's not as strong as Hashirama, Hashirama took on EMS and won.

Hokages in my opinion in terms of strength goes. 3rd>1st>4th>2nd>5th

2nd had edo tensei so i think he's up the food chain.

 

[Kinimaster]

Kages: Hashirama>Hiruzen>Minato>Tobirama>Tsunade.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

So basically if his back is against the wall, he can run back to the villiage?? Yea that's such a bytch move, why would a ninja do such a move seriously. If he had to resort to that that already means he was getting owned bruh.

He can teleport right back to the battlefield after he escapes a large attack, that is my point. Minato is virtually untouchable and other than Tobi grabbing his wrist by surprise and him standing in front of Naruto to take a hit from the nine-tails he went untouched basically all of his fights.

One on one Hashirama has no chance against Minato, because of the speed, his summons, the rasengan, and his ST jutsus.

Fights are all about match ups and Minato against Hashirama is heavily in the favor of Minato. Anyone who knows anything about battling could understand that. The best people to fight Minato are tanks who can withstand multiple rasengans and other attacks or people with unbreakable genjutsus.

Hashirama from what we know about his abilities, is better suited for slower people, likely the exact tanks that Minato would have a hard time with.

And both Minato and Hashirama are strong against tailed beasts and jinchurikki, one because of ST and sealing and the other because of mokuton to suppress the tailed beasts.

 

[blazekev90]

He can teleport right back to the battlefield after he escapes a large attack, that is my point. Minato is virtually untouchable and other than Tobi grabbing his wrist by surprise and him standing in front of Naruto to take a hit from the nine-tails he went untouched basically all of his fights.

One on one Hashirama has no chance against Minato, because of the speed, his summons, the rasengan, and his ST jutsus.

Fights are all about match ups and Minato against Hashirama is heavily in the favor of Minato. Anyone who knows anything about battling could understand that. The best people to fight Minato are tanks who can withstand multiple rasengans and other attacks or people with unbreakable genjutsus.

Hashirama from what we know about his abilities, is better suited for slower people, likely the exact tanks that Minato would have a hard time with.

And both Minato and Hashirama are strong against tailed beasts and jinchurikki, one because of ST and sealing and the other because of mokuton to suppress the tailed beasts.

YOur point shows that he will need to escape a fight in order to survive a match, which in my mind is a weak move. He's not untouchable, he may be hard to catch for someone who does not know his fighting style, but as Bee had shown its not hard to catch on to his moves, he could be quite predictable.

To say the 1st has no chance is just plan stupid. First we no nt about his speed, nor the speed of his technquies, along w/ his darkness tech. which could fool anyone with his shadow clones (which may be similar to Zetsu as he uses the 1st DNA ), wood style locnes. As far as Minato's summons, we dont know the extent of that since we have yet to see him use them at all!!

Also, how can u conclude he is only suited for slower ppl??? Madara's speed has not been seen, and I'm more than sure he's far from slow, and he still had to catch the Fox in the mix of everything. He had to fend of one of the highest level ninja ever and the 9-tails, regardless this is a task ment for a man with speed and skill!!!

Overall all I see is people coming to the conclusion that Minato's speed is a factor, which is wrong. Hashirama most likey would know all about space-time jutsu, since his brother used it, and his wood element shouldnt be taken lightly. Minato needs to be able to get close to his opponets and plant his kunia. While Hashirmama could easily become a mid-range or long-range fighter, as shown by Yamato who is only a shadow of the 1st.

 

[Revan]

regardless of the location minato would be capable of using ftg in the battlefield(anywhere he places the seal), n im sure rasengan is more than capable of busting down trees
two of his summon's are expert sage's n lookin at those massive frogs there not to be messed with
plus hashi never 'controlled' the fox..his power only allows him to supress it with the help of that necklace

i think he sealed the fox' movements before he sealed him away. that's what i'd expect from a mokuton user, and that's what we have seen on the only pic of madara's and hashi's fight. i doubt that the frogs could fight the fox or break through something which even the fox cant break. they would be sealed in an instant.

i'm not sure that rasengan is capable to bust down trees of the size that e.g. danzo summoned. apart from mokuton-user can use wood as basic for their other attacks, so he can summon from his trees wood to support weakened trees or summon roots from the attacked tree to entangle minato when he tries to rasengan some of them.

He can teleport right back to the battlefield after he escapes a large attack, that is my point. Minato is virtually untouchable and other than Tobi grabbing his wrist by surprise and him standing in front of Naruto to take a hit from the nine-tails he went untouched basically all of his fights.

One on one Hashirama has no chance against Minato, because of the speed, his summons, the rasengan, and his ST jutsus.

Fights are all about match ups and Minato against Hashirama is heavily in the favor of Minato. Anyone who knows anything about battling could understand that. The best people to fight Minato are tanks who can withstand multiple rasengans and other attacks or people with unbreakable genjutsus.

Hashirama from what we know about his abilities, is better suited for slower people, likely the exact tanks that Minato would have a hard time with.

And both Minato and Hashirama are strong against tailed beasts and jinchurikki, one because of ST and sealing and the other because of mokuton to suppress the tailed beasts.

if you manage to hit minato fast enough to stop him from using a seal, he cant do a ts-jutsu (as stated by kakashi).

i think that hashirama is exactly one of the tanks you pointed out to be good against minato. what should stop hashi from fighting in the way that gaara does, just with unlimited amounts of wood, since they are staying? he is a senju, considering how many chakra tsunade and the uzumaki seem to have, i expect him to have almost unlimited chakra. which is something that i cant guarantee from minato. if hashirama just makes a field of wood, in which minato cant move in without being entangled, i cant see minato win.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

YOur point shows that he will need to escape a fight in order to survive a match, which in my mind is a weak move. He's not untouchable, he may be hard to catch for someone who does not know his fighting style, but as Bee had shown its not hard to catch on to his moves, he could be quite predictable.

To say the 1st has no chance is just plan stupid. First we no nt about his speed, nor the speed of his technquies, along w/ his darkness tech. which could fool anyone with his shadow clones (which may be similar to Zetsu as he uses the 1st DNA ), wood style locnes. As far as Minato's summons, we dont know the extent of that since we have yet to see him use them at all!!

Also, how can u conclude he is only suited for slower ppl??? Madara's speed has not been seen, and I'm more than sure he's far from slow, and he still had to catch the Fox in the mix of everything. He had to fend of one of the highest level ninja ever and the 9-tails, regardless this is a task ment for a man with speed and skill!!!

Overall all I see is people coming to the conclusion that Minato's speed is a factor, which is wrong. Hashirama most likey would know all about space-time jutsu, since his brother used it, and his wood element shouldnt be taken lightly. Minato needs to be able to get close to his opponets and plant his kunia. While Hashirmama could easily become a mid-range or long-range fighter, as shown by Yamato who is only a shadow of the 1st.

Just because Oro's IWR was weaker doesn't mean that Hashirama was slower than he should be. Oro just controlled them so they didn't have the full range of abilities but their speed and strength wouldn't change, that is just foolish to think that.

Secondly we have seen Minato use summons, he summoned Gamabunta to do food cart destroyer technique on top of the nine-tails. So I don't know where you got that idea.

Secondly Tobirama wasn't as advanced as Minato in ST techniques and I doubt Tobirama ever fought Hashirama so there wouldn't be much practice against it.

Thirdly Bee did not catch on to Minato's movements or FTG, Minato had the drop on him and Bee simply turned his blade around. Do you think that Bee would be able to stab backwards without looking and hit someone of Minato's speed? Not a chance, Minato could have killed him then and there but chose not to.

As for Hashirama fighting the Kyuubi, he was not alone (Mito sealed the 9-tails in herself) and his mokuton is the perfect jutsu as it suppresses chakra. With his necklace especially he was the perfect person to fight that fight. The Kyuubi is a large target and does not move that quickly so catching it in mokuton wouldn't be that difficult, I think that hardest part would be fighting Madara.

And lastly you seem to think that Minato's speed comes only from FTG, he is insanely fast even without FTG. Reference the Kakashi gaiden if you think I am kidding. Not counting modes KM or raiton armor, he is without a doubt the fastest person naturally. There are a few people who can say they are faster than him on foot with their modes (Naruto & A) but without them Minato is the fastest.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

i think he sealed the fox' movements before he sealed him away. that's what i'd expect from a mokuton user, and that's what we have seen on the only pic of madara's and hashi's fight. i doubt that the frogs could fight the fox or break through something which even the fox cant break. they would be sealed in an instant.

i'm not sure that rasengan is capable to bust down trees of the size that e.g. danzo summoned. apart from mokuton-user can use wood as basic for their other attacks, so he can summon from his trees wood to support weakened trees or summon roots from the attacked tree to entangle minato when he tries to rasengan some of them.


if you manage to hit minato fast enough to stop him from using a seal, he cant do a ts-jutsu (as stated by kakashi).

i think that hashirama is exactly one of the tanks you pointed out to be good against minato. what should stop hashi from fighting in the way that gaara does, just with unlimited amounts of wood, since they are staying? he is a senju, considering how many chakra tsunade and the uzumaki seem to have, i expect him to have almost unlimited chakra. which is something that i cant guarantee from minato. if hashirama just makes a field of wood, in which minato cant move in without being entangled, i cant see minato win.

Minato does not use hand signs to use FTG. He only needs hand signs if he is going to be teleporting to somewhere where he does not have a kunai,or if he is teleporting something else to somewhere where he does not have kunai.

Secondly Minato can at least destroy some of the mokuton with his summons as even Enma was able to break Hiruzen out of it and Gamabunta is a whole lot larger and stronger than Enma. Hashirama was trying to capture the nine-tails, I don't think his goal would be to capture Minato's summons, and he can't do that if Minato doesn't even summon them until he needs them.

I have yet to see a kage with low chakra levels. Minato definitely has insane chakra levels, Hashirama probably has more I will give you that but Minato has alot. Did you see all the stuff he did in that fight against Tobi? When he teleported the TBB first and then the Kyuubi that ate up his chakra because they were both so huge and basically pure chakra.

 

[Reborn]

This thread only makes me want to see Hashirama fight...I want to see just how Hashirama defeated Madara, because I doubt wood release was all it took...unless there were more unexplored benifits it.

 

[Draegod]

lmao hahaa i saw my name was mentioned. didnt know i had fans! ^_^!

im not going to waste my time typing a wonderfful reason why hashi is better then minato because unlike minato's fanbois if im wrong i admit it.

this is the difference between fans and fanboys

fans go off the manga regarless of there favorites, take both sides into account and if argueing about two ninjas know both ninjas by heart (such as myself, i know more about minato then any of you most likely)

Fanbois argue just to protect there favs, or go against another ninja that is a natual opponent of there fav. they make up bull shit to better aid them. They only talk and praise there fav as if they are a god, but make the opposing character seem like nothing (because they arent a true fan to know both ninjas). if you prove them wrong they get angry not realising it isnt that serious and this is a cartoon/show/FAKE!


overall its best to avoid an arguement with fanbois. and i know the manga more then 99.8% of the user on this site so its best i dont waste my time argueing with someone who isnt even a fair debater.

thanx but no thanx, maybe next time if im bored. later! ^_^

 

[s0ulja]

i think he sealed the fox' movements before he sealed him away. that's what i'd expect from a mokuton user, and that's what we have seen on the only pic of madara's and hashi's fight. i doubt that the frogs could fight the fox or break through something which even the fox cant break. they would be sealed in an instant.

i'm not sure that rasengan is capable to bust down trees of the size that e.g. danzo summoned. apart from mokuton-user can use wood as basic for their other attacks, so he can summon from his trees wood to support weakened trees or summon roots from the attacked tree to entangle minato when he tries to rasengan some of them.


if you manage to hit minato fast enough to stop him from using a seal, he cant do a ts-jutsu (as stated by kakashi).

i think that hashirama is exactly one of the tanks you pointed out to be good against minato. what should stop hashi from fighting in the way that gaara does, just with unlimited amounts of wood, since they are staying? he is a senju, considering how many chakra tsunade and the uzumaki seem to have, i expect him to have almost unlimited chakra. which is something that i cant guarantee from minato. if hashirama just makes a field of wood, in which minato cant move in without being entangled, i cant see minato win.

those chains were made by kushina..not minato. wood release wouldn't have that effect on minato since his not a jinchuriki...we are talking about hashi v minato not hashi v fox vs minato v fox..right? so why are the frogs fighting the fox? unless ur saying hashi+fox vs minato ?

i'm sure rasengan is capable of that...look at naruto's rasengan, when he was training..his imperfect one bust through a tree...later that metal water storage...if its busting through metal wood wouln't be an issue..and thats narutos rasengan.

 

[s0ulja]

lmao hahaa i saw my name was mentioned. didnt know i had fans! ^_^!

im not going to waste my time typing a wonderfful reason why hashi is better then minato because unlike minato's fanbois if im wrong i admit it.

this is the difference between fans and fanboys

fans go off the manga regarless of there favorites, take both sides into account and if argueing about two ninjas know both ninjas by heart (such as myself, i know more about minato then any of you most likely)

Fanbois argue just to protect there favs, or go against another ninja that is a natual opponent of there fav. they make up bull shit to better aid them. They only talk and praise there fav as if they are a god, but make the opposing character seem like nothing (because they arent a true fan to know both ninjas). if you prove them wrong they get angry not realising it isnt that serious and this is a cartoon/show/FAKE!


overall its best to avoid an arguement with fanbois. and i know the manga more then 99.8% of the user on this site so its best i dont waste my time argueing with someone who isnt even a fair debater.

thanx but no thanx, maybe next time if im bored. later! ^_^

if u dont want to participate why make an appearance at all?
thats funny how u say that..b'cuz hashi is aparntli the greatest hokage acording to some people here..when we know nothing of his abilities in combat other than he 'defeated' madara

 

[Draegod]

if u dont want to participate why make an appearance at all?
thats funny how u say that..b'cuz hashi is aparntli the greatest hokage acording to some people here..when we know nothing of his abilities in combat other than he 'defeated' madara

hey soulja! i agree with you to a degree, but unlike them, i atleast did research and have the manga to back it up

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... tell me what you think if you dont mind.. you seem to be a fair person to a degree..