It's official than 1st>4th

[Sennen Goroshi]

the only technique that can beat madara or minato was.... One Thousand Years of Death...!!! Sennen Goroshi!

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[blazekev90]

Look i believe Hashirama is the strongest hokage, but people need to stop comparing his fight with madara to fights other hokages had. The fact is Hashirama was perfectly suited to fight Madara and the kyuubi because of his ability to control bijuus. Without that ability Hashirama probably doesn't win that fight against Madara.

True, some ppl are more suitable for certain situations!

 

[NLee]

Ive always had a feeling that itachi was a good guy and that came true.
Always had a feeling that tobi isnt madara and that came true.

Ive had a feeling that the 1st lost to madara. I know its been said in the manga that madara lost, but it was also said that tobi is madara. Not just that but although hashirama was no doubt extremely strong, i cant see him beating an ems user in madara in a one v one fight

Well isn't that the point though? Hashirama is said to have won, which is the reason he is renown as being so powerful

 

[Minator93]

4th > 1st...Kishimoto himself had said that on more than one occasion.

 

[Kinimaster]

I've never thought Minato was better than Hashirama, Hashirama is the greatest Kage of all nations, the one that has done more for the ninja system than anyone else, just comparing them makes Minato look worse, but Minato fanboys always come with an old joke interview that's never been proven, so no point arguing about it.

 

[The Jinchuuriki]

Will never be proven unless they actually fought which they never will, it's like pokemons starters, for all you know the 3rd may have a jutsu or fighting style that the 2nd and 5th are prone to or weak against... but the 5th can withstand more damage (heal) or has a higher chakra reserve and therefore can outlast the 4th who could beat the 3rd... could go on and on.
My opinion, apart from his mokuton what made Hashirama so damn good? I can't see a way anyone can even touch Minato unless he wanted them to, so IMO he's the best, the only Hashirama on hype and the fact he could control TB's, then 2nd because of IWR and then the 3rd who didn't really have a trump card as far as I could remember, just plain jutsu's, tai and DDM, which leaves Tsunade last...

 

[Minator93]

Third Hokage ended the Senju brothers with Minato's Jutsu....and Minato is/was Stronger than Sarutobi....furthermore Minato beat TOBI...and no one has ever beaten the INVINCIBLE TOBI....also Minato without any Special power such as wood style or Sharingan was able to handle Nine-tails without a sweat..

Minato's Speed,Intelligence,Sealing Tech's prowess exceeded that of Hashirama's.

Plus Rasengan can force itself through Wood and with the Giant Toads at his disposal Mnato can beat Hashirama...

I guess this thread is full of Anti-Minato guys.

 

[Kinimaster]

Will never be proven unless they actually fought which they never will, it's like pokemons starters, for all you know the 3rd may have a jutsu or fighting style that the 2nd and 5th are prone to or weak against... but the 5th can withstand more damage (heal) or has a higher chakra reserve and therefore can outlast the 4th who could beat the 3rd... could go on and on.
My opinion, apart from his mokuton what made Hashirama so damn good? I can't see a way anyone can even touch Minato unless he wanted them to, so IMO he's the best, the only Hashirama on hype and the fact he could control TB's, then 2nd because of IWR and then the 3rd who didn't really have a trump card as far as I could remember, just plain jutsu's, tai and DDM, which leaves Tsunade last...

The fact that makes Hashirama so good its that he constantly kept up against the Uchiha clan and Madara with the Kyubi, yes the Kyubi that made Minato basically die and Kushina too, While using his chakra for Mokuton to supress the 9tails he also fought against one(if not) of the strongest Uchiha with the ultimate sharingan eye(EMS) and still lived to remain Hokage, this was the man that brought peace to the ninja world by dividing all the bijuus he had to the other nations, and his war experience is also way better than Minato's. Plus i really think that Madara was way stronger than the Tobi that Minato fought who didnt had the Rin'negan, the paths, only a sharingan that he didnt used back then, not even a single eye technique he used on Minato, and even so Minato stated that his attacks couldnt do anything to him(he told that to naruto i think), just one rasengan, nothing more. Im pretty sure Tobi just wanted to entertain Minato for a while. This facts its why im 100% convinced that Hashirama was the best Kage, not just in fighting but the greatest Kage overall.

 

[Minator93]

The fact that makes Hashirama so good its that he constantly kept up against the Uchiha clan and Madara with the Kyubi, yes the Kyubi that made Minato basically die and Kushina too, While using his chakra for Mokuton to supress the 9tails he also fought against one(if not) of the strongest Uchiha with the ultimate sharingan eye(EMS) and still lived to remain Hokage, this was the man that brought peace to the ninja world by dividing all the bijuus he had to the other nations, and his war experience is also way better than Minato's. Plus i really think that Madara was way stronger than the Tobi that Minato fought who didnt had the Rin'negan, the paths, only a sharingan that he didnt used back then, not even a single eye technique he used on Minato, and even so Minato stated that his attacks couldnt do anything to him(he told that to naruto i think), just one rasengan, nothing more. Im pretty sure Tobi just wanted to entertain Minato for a while. This facts its why im 100% convinced that Hashirama was the best Kage, not just in fighting but the greatest Kage overall.

Actually Minato had a choice to kill Kushina along with Nine-Tails but to preserve the power balance between the villages and also that Kushina can see Naruto one more time he sacrificed himself.

No one can harm/attack Tobi because he has that special tech [the body intangible thing] but Minato was the only one to land a Rasengan.

 

[Kinimaster]

Actually Minato had a choice to kill Kushina along with Nine-Tails but to preserve the power balance between the villages and also that Kushina can see Naruto one more time he sacrificed himself.

No one can harm/attack Tobi because he has that special tech [the body intangible thing] but Minato was the only one to land a Rasengan.

Well then Kushina was about to save him, same thing, without Kushina he would be dead too, cant see your point here.

I cant believe you brought back the fight of Sarutobi against those "puppets", that was Orochimaru edo tensei and you can see in the fight that both Kage's should be way stronger than that, if current Kabuto's advanced edo tensei, would of bring them back, with full sense and power like most kages, story would be different.

A lot of ninjas harmed Tobi and pushed him way farther, Konan, Torune and Itachi, he escaped Konan papers and Itachi's flames with Izanagi possibly and Torune's bugs and Minato's attacks and seals with his S/T jutsu and by removing body parts like arms.

And there is nothing that says Minato could take a Expert Sharingan user nor genjutsu, just that the Uchihas of his generation were possibly the worse of the all Uchiha generations. While there were some like Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Shisui, Izuna. Madara being possibly the strongest, with EMS and the kyubi, thats the one Hashirama defeated.

 

[Minator93]

A lot of ninjas harmed Tobi and pushed him way farther, Konan, Torune and Itachi, he escaped Konan papers and Itachi's flames with Izanagi possibly and Torune's bugs and Minato's attacks and seals with his S/T jutsu and by removing body parts like arms.

And there is nothing that says Minato could take a Expert Sharingan user nor genjutsu, just that the Uchihas of his generation were possibly the worse of the all Uchiha generations. While there were some like Sasuke, Itachi, Madara, Shisui, Izuna. Madara being possibly the strongest, with EMS and the kyubi, thats the one Hashirama defeated.

If Kushina were to take the nine-tails inside of her and then if Minato had killed her then the Nine-tails would be temporarily dead.

Also Minato wanted his son to be the next Jinchuriki that's why he used that DEAD-DEMON seal...he could've seald the QB into some else and kill that person if he just wanted to get rid of nine-tails even better he could've teleported the QB to an enemy nation if he wanted to use it.


But the one's who harmed Tobi with the exception on Minato were also KILLED by Tobi..

Also Itachi the 3rd most powerful Uchiha was Afraid to go up against Jiraya...and Minato is stronger than Jiraya or Tobi...Meaning the only tough Sharingan Opponent would be the greatest Uchiha ie MADARA..

Minato has so many things better than Hashirama or Madara for that matter...I don't see how Hashirama would Counter Minato's High Speed or FTG or His Rasengan??

 

[Kinimaster]

But the one's who harmed Tobi with the exception on Minato were also KILLED by Tobi..

Also Itachi the 3rd most powerful Uchiha was Afraid to go up against Jiraya...and Minato is stronger than Jiraya or Tobi...Meaning the only tough Sharingan Opponent would be the greatest Uchiha ie MADARA..

Minato has so many things better than Hashirama or Madara for that matter...I don't see how Hashirama would Counter Minato's High Speed or FTG or His Rasengan??

Tobi didnt kill Itachi, he was afraid of him most likely thats why he lied to him making him believe he was Madara. I dont believe Itachi was afraid of Jiraiya at all seeing as his intentions were to protect Knoha, he made that an excuse to retreat because Kisame was with him. Why would a ninja that loved Konoha and spied on Akatsuki kill possibly by that time the best ninja in Konoha? Why you think he told Kisame more reinforcements wouldnt do good? to protect Konoha, if someone like Pain would arrived you think he wouldnt killed Jiraiya?, Itachi was actually protecting the leaf, he just didnt expect Sasuke. You really need to hone up your analyzing skills.

Dude this is a ninja world if you go by the logic like most Minato fans do that FTG is invincible, you are wrong, anything can happen, im saying Hashirama is the best because of what he has done, and the person he defeated. Also everyone knows Kishimoto loves the Uchiha, why you think despite their clan was exterminated, we have now edo Madara, edo Itachi and Sasuke, plus Shisui genjutsu saving the day and Izuna giving Madara EMS, plus another two Sharingan users alive like Tobi and Kakashi and the dead Danzo, you'll know who Hashirama defeated after you see edo Madara in action, obviously Kishi would made that overpowered character die by the greatest Hokage, that happened to be the founder of the village and a peace keeper.

 

[Minator93]

Tobi didnt kill Itachi, he was afraid of him most likely thats why he lied to him making him believe he was Madara. I dont believe Itachi was afraid of Jiraiya at all seeing as his intentions were to protect Knoha, he made that an excuse to retreat because Kisame was with him. Why would a ninja that loved Konoha and spied on Akatsuki kill possibly by that time the best ninja in Konoha? Why you think he told Kisame more reinforcements wouldnt do good? to protect Konoha, if someone like Pain would arrived you think he wouldnt killed Jiraiya?, Itachi was actually protecting the leaf, he just didnt expect Sasuke. You really need to hone up your analyzing skills.

Dude Nagato himself admitted that If Jiraya knew his secretes then he would've lost to Jiraya and we all know that Nagato was stronger than Itachi...well forget about Nagato...Jiraya was a very powerful shinobi..Itachi had his Intentions to save Konoha but still If he were to go up against Jiraya...It would be tough...tough for both of them actually.

I know that Madara is OP but Kishi had made sure that Minato is also OP...I know Kishi's love for Uchiha's but he has given special treatment to Minato as well..

Consider this If Minato were to face Madara...do you think Kishi had finished him off just like that?? No

I think Kishi had treated Minato Royally that's why he gets to die as the greatest hero, he gets to be the fastest and everyone says that He was the man that can never be surpassed even look at his death IT was self Sacrifise he died UN-DEFEATED...no one says this about Hashirama even though he also died UN-DEFEATED.

So the way Manga is written Minato is the bigger hero.

 

[Kinimaster]

Dude Nagato himself admitted that If Jiraya knew his secretes then he would've lost to Jiraya and we all know that Nagato was stronger than Itachi...well forget about Nagato...Jiraya was a very powerful shinobi..Itachi had his Intentions to save Konoha but still If he were to go up against Jiraya...It would be tough...tough for both of them actually.

I know that Madara is OP but Kishi had made sure that Minato is also OP...I know Kishi's love for Uchiha's but he has given special treatment to Minato as well..

Consider this If Minato were to face Madara...do you think Kishi had finished him off just like that?? No

I think Kishi had treated Minato Royally that's why he gets to die as the greatest hero, he gets to be the fastest and everyone says that He was the man that can never be surpassed even look at his death IT was self Sacrifise he died UN-DEFEATED...no one says this about Hashirama even though he also died UN-DEFEATED.

So the way Manga is written Minato is the bigger hero.

1.- The greatest hero is going to be Naruto also the fastest as Raikage said.
2.- Any reinforcement there would be overkill for Jiraiya, Itachi was protecting him its obvious.
3.- The greatest Hokage is by far the 1st atleast in my book. If you think the only real sacrifice is to die, you are completely avoiding what an entire life of war and sacrifice is.
4.- If you going for what Kishimoto thinks its obvious that he would like Naruto's father to look good. But in the paper he made Hashirama better in achievements and fights.
5.- He wouldnt put Madara in his generation, because Minato would probably die against him, and beats the whole purpose of the story, thats why he left that job to the 1st. But now Madara is back so i dont know what is going to happen.
6.- I dont hate Minato, but i think he is the most overrated character, i could think of atleast 5 or 6 better ninjas than him, and a whole more that could beat him from what its stated in the manga about his abilities.

 

[Minator93]

1.- The greatest hero is going to be Naruto also the fastest as Raikage said.
2.- Any reinforcement there would be overkill for Jiraiya, Itachi was protecting him its obvious.
3.- The greatest Hokage is by far the 1st atleast in my book. If you think the only real sacrifice is to die, you are completely avoiding what an entire life of war and sacrifice is.
4.- If you going for what Kishimoto thinks its obvious that he would like Naruto's father to look good. But in the paper he made Hashirama better in achievements and fights.
5.- He wouldnt put Madara in his generation, because Minato would probably die against him, and beats the whole purpose of the story, thats why he left that job to the 1st. But now Madara is back so i dont know what is going to happen.
6.- I dont hate Minato, but i think he is the most overrated character, i could think of atleast 5 or 6 better ninjas than him, and a whole more that could beat him from what its stated in the manga about his abilities.

1. Yeah its going to be Naruto but only after he Surpasses Minato.

2. Okay Fine...but I was talking about Jiraya vs Itachi 1 on 1.

3. Forget about the sacrifices that both the hokages did...Minato is the Best hokage according to me.

4. Hashirama better than Minato on paper??...If that is the case then why are we even discussing this?

5. If Madara was there in Minato's Generation I think Minato would've killed him...in chapter 502 when Minato was convinced that he was facing Madara...he quickly determined the 2 possibilites

[1] That he can't control nine tails for very long time.
[2] That he can kill him [kill Madara].

Furthermore we'll see what Madara does when he goes against TOBI or NARUTO....and I assure you that Minato is stronger than Naruto as well as Tobi.

6. Some people tend to overrate him but not me...the one's who are in the same league as Minato are Hashirama,Madara....and the one who can definitely beat Minato is SOSP.....but you can tell me about the 5-6 shinobis....who can defeat Minato.

 

[Revan]

2. Okay Fine...but I was talking about Jiraya vs Itachi 1 on 1.

2.i think jiraya is largely overestimated. if you look at the way he fought the first three pains, you can see that he's intelligent and analyzing, but he's not dominating three of the weaker pains (let's be honest, the only really strong one is god pain). when he fought the other three too, he's beaten in seconds. i cant really see him win against nagato no matter what nagato said at that time.
i think that itachi would have been way stronger in the same situation, susano'o and amaterasu are pretty amazing. that's also the reason why i think that itachi would beat jiraya.

5. If Madara was there in Minato's Generation I think Minato would've killed him...in chapter 502 when Minato was convinced that he was facing Madara...he quickly determined the 2 possibilites[/I]

[1] That he can't control nine tails for very long time.
[2] That he can kill him [kill Madara].

Furthermore we'll see what Madara does when he goes against TOBI or NARUTO....and I assure you that Minato is stronger than Naruto as well as Tobi.

minato is thinking about these possibilities because he wants to protect his village and there are no alternatives if he wants to do that in any way. i dont think that these 2 possibilities resemble his conviction, but his hope.

4. Hashirama better than Minato on paper??...If that is the case then why are we even discussing this?

i think he's talking about the achievements, not the strength. hashirama lead his clan through a war, made it the most powerful clan in the world, founded konoha and controlled the 9 tailed beasts. <->minato fought tobi and raikage and was feared in a war.

 

[blazekev90]

I've never thought Minato was better than Hashirama, Hashirama is the greatest Kage of all nations, the one that has done more for the ninja system than anyone else, just comparing them makes Minato look worse, but Minato fanboys always come with an old joke interview that's never been proven, so no point arguing about it.

exaclty, no arguing needed, just stating what it is and leaving it at that lol.

 

[blazekev90]

2.i think jiraya is largely overestimated. if you look at the way he fought the first three pains, you can see that he's intelligent and analyzing, but he's not dominating three of the weaker pains (let's be honest, the only really strong one is god pain). when he fought the other three too, he's beaten in seconds. i cant really see him win against nagato no matter what nagato said at that time.
i think that itachi would have been way stronger in the same situation, susano'o and amaterasu are pretty amazing. that's also the reason why i think that itachi would beat jiraya.

minato is thinking about these possibilities because he wants to protect his village and there are no alternatives if he wants to do that in any way. i dont think that these 2 possibilities resemble his conviction, but his hope.


i think he's talking about the achievements, not the strength. hashirama lead his clan through a war, made it the most powerful clan in the world, founded konoha and controlled the 9 tailed beasts. <->minato fought tobi and raikage and was feared in a war.

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[Erzo]

obviously.
The 1st is awesome.

 

[blazekev90]

obviously.
The 1st is awesome.

very obvious!!!