It's official than 1st>4th

[s0ulja]

hey soulja! i agree with you to a degree, but unlike them, i atleast did research and have the manga to back it up

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... tell me what you think if you dont mind.. you seem to be a fair person to a degree..

there is a lot of evidence there of how powerful hashi's wood release was, and since he was a senju he would have had massive stamina and chakra. but to me it seems wood release is best used for defensive attacks, either to slow down or trap opponents..how well that would work against minato is at question (ftg)
my personal assumption of how he defeated madara is..his darkness technique, why? well we know the uchiha's strength is their eyes (sharingan) the darkness genjutsu takes that away. so madara's ems wouldn be as effective. now how well would that work against minato? we were shown he was a sensor
scrolls cant really be a factor since both were hokages both would have had access to them

but where minato had the upper hand is intelligence and speed..for me thats the deciding factor. we can both agree hashi n minato were exceptional shinobi's..n in the world of martial arts..when two high level fighters go at it..its usually speed that determines the winner

 

[Draegod]

there is a lot of evidence there of how powerful hashi's wood release was, and since he was a senju he would have had massive stamina and chakra. but to me it seems wood release is best used for defensive attacks, either to slow down or trap opponents..how well that would work against minato is at question (ftg)
my personal assumption of how he defeated madara is..his darkness technique, why? well we know the uchiha's strength is their eyes (sharingan) the darkness genjutsu takes that away. so madara's ems wouldn be as effective. now how well would that work against minato? we were shown he was a sensor
scrolls cant really be a factor since both were hokages both would have had access to them

but where minato had the upper hand is intelligence and speed..for me thats the deciding factor. we can both agree hashi n minato were exceptional shinobi's..n in the world of martial arts..when two high level fighters go at it..its usually speed that determines the winner

i disagree in the intellegence department.. hashi was at war majority of his life going back and forth with the uchihas and other elite clans at the time. he manage to lead his clan to many victories and at the same time keep the war at peice by making an alliance with his mortal enemy (geniuos; keep your friends close, but your enemies closer) later own, dispursed the Tb's to other nations, and created the leaf village by himself. so in terms of intelegnce i would say it is a non factor since it would be a tie in that department.

in terms of space time ninjutsu, you forget his brother had space time that even minato noted was good (i say this because if it wasnt minato wouldnt bother bringing it up, plus tobbimaru is kage lv), i would assume he atleast know the jist' on how the tech works or strategies on how to stop it. and hashi has the abilitie to control ALL his surroundings at will at an extreme speed (noted by enma saving saru when saru was dazed a quick sec thinking). and in my thread it shows he can make wood appear from any part of his body to protect or atk.

minato is fast true, but what ppl forget is the fact that is killing speed isnt the same as his space time and foot speed.

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right then and there kb had a chance to counter atk. pls do not deny the fact that minato used ftg and KB had a chance to atk aswell. (we can agree from the manga), now if minato was as fast as you think this is what should be happening

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time:1:18 that is true speed, gogeta hit him mutiple times but we didnt even see gogeta next to him or lift a finger. minato isnt capable of that. he can get to you fast true; but his killing speed is the same as anyother ninja (kakashi, zabuza, itachi etc etc, fast but not unstoppable)...

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you dont see the hands period! this is fast hand killing speed, no one in the manga has shown faster hands!

overall both are powerful and id say:

Intellegence- tie
speed- minato
power- hashi
expeirince- hashi
endurance- hashi
stamina- hashi
nijutsus- hashi
taijutsu- hashi or minato
genjutsu- hashi
fuinjutsu- minato
summoning- minato
chakra- hashi

if im missing anything let me know, but as of now i think everything i have said is backed up and is a legit arguement!

 

[s0ulja]

i disagree in the intellegence department.. hashi was at war majority of his life going back and forth with the uchihas and other elite clans at the time. he manage to lead his clan to many victories and at the same time keep the war at peice by making an alliance with his mortal enemy (geniuos; keep your friends close, but your enemies closer) later own, dispursed the Tb's to other nations, and created the leaf village by himself. so in terms of intelegnce i would say it is a non factor since it would be a tie in that department.

in terms of space time ninjutsu, you forget his brother had space time that even minato noted was good (i say this because if it wasnt minato wouldnt bother bringing it up, plus tobbimaru is kage lv), i would assume he atleast know the jist' on how the tech works or strategies on how to stop it. and hashi has the abilitie to control ALL his surroundings at will at an extreme speed (noted by enma saving saru when saru was dazed a quick sec thinking). and in my thread it shows he can make wood appear from any part of his body to protect or atk.

minato is fast true, but what ppl forget is the fact that is killing speed isnt the same as his space time and foot speed.

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right then and there kb had a chance to counter atk. pls do not deny the fact that minato used ftg and KB had a chance to atk aswell. (we can agree from the manga), now if minato was as fast as you think this is what should be happening

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time:1:18 that is true speed, gogeta hit him mutiple times but we didnt even see gogeta next to him or lift a finger. minato isnt capable of that. he can get to you fast true; but his killing speed is the same as anyother ninja (kakashi, zabuza, itachi etc etc, fast but not unstoppable)...

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you dont see the hands period! this is fast hand killing speed, no one in the manga has shown faster hands!

overall both are powerful and id say:

Intellegence- tie
speed- minato
power- hashi
expeirince- hashi
endurance- hashi
stamina- hashi
nijutsus- hashi
taijutsu- hashi or minato
genjutsu- hashi
fuinjutsu- minato
summoning- minato
chakra- hashi

if im missing anything let me know, but as of now i think everything i have said is backed up and is a legit arguement!

what u stated is experience...not intelligence, jiraiya have stated minato's skills, looks and intelligence are unparalleled in history. and we've seen this to be true in the brief time we've seen him.
yes his brother developed s-t jutsu..how is that related? oncuz tobirama was kage level..he was the 2nd hokage, but how is that related? since minato took 2nd's concept and futher developed it..which he is more than capble of doing,( e.g he took seals from the uzumaki's who were the best but he made it better..death reaper seal, 8 tigrams seal) so i'd say minato's s-t was step ahead since he combined the uzumaki seals to reversing summoning.
saru had one leg in the grave...that speed cant really match minato's
well actually his reaction speed, seal formation, foot speed..watever spped would be very good since he was fast enough to hit tobi( someone who is able become a ghost in a instant).

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minato was using a kunai, kb using a knife/sword..which one has longer reach?
thats gentle fist, i didn realise hashi could use that?

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...tobi's praising minato for his speed..and that wasn ftg its was his pure speed

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..he hand movements are quick as well...he made the seals before tobi even realised it
now lets look at hashi's decisions...he decided to split the biju's..that didn't go woo well since tobi has 7 of them.
he built konoha, nagato destroyed that with one jutsu
he defeated madara at the valley, doesn't seem to be the case

minato took gamble with his son..which as we can see paid off

experience- hashi, yes but that comes with age...how that would effect the battle to me is unclear since minato showed many times his analysis of situations and battle tactics are flawless
Intellegence- minato
speed- minato
power- i'd give to minato
endurance/stamina/chakra- hashi..(all same thing, no point in creating unnecessary categories)
nijutsus- minato
taijutsu- unknown but i'd lean towards minato
genjutsu- hashi
fuinjutsu- minato
summoning- minato

 

[Draegod]

what u stated is experience...not intelligence, jiraiya have stated minato's skills, looks and intelligence are unparalleled in history. and we've seen this to be true in the brief time we've seen him.
yes his brother developed s-t jutsu..how is that related? oncuz tobirama was kage level..he was the 2nd hokage, but how is that related? since minato took 2nd's concept and futher developed it..which he is more than capble of doing,( e.g he took seals from the uzumaki's who were the best but he made it better..death reaper seal, 8 tigrams seal) so i'd say minato's s-t was step ahead since he combined the uzumaki seals to reversing summoning.
saru had one leg in the grave...that speed cant really match minato's
well actually his reaction speed, seal formation, foot speed..watever spped would be very good since he was fast enough to hit tobi( someone who is able become a ghost in a instant).

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minato was using a kunai, kb using a knife/sword..which one has longer reach?
thats gentle fist, i didn realise hashi could use that?

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...tobi's praising minato for his speed..and that wasn ftg its was his pure speed

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..he hand movements are quick as well...he made the seals before tobi even realised it
now lets look at hashi's decisions...he decided to split the biju's..that didn't go woo well since tobi has 7 of them.
he built konoha, nagato destroyed that with one jutsu
he defeated madara at the valley, doesn't seem to be the case

minato took gamble with his son..which as we can see paid off

experience- hashi, yes but that comes with age...how that would effect the battle to me is unclear since minato showed many times his analysis of situations and battle tactics are flawless
Intellegence- minato
speed- minato
power- i'd give to minato
endurance/stamina/chakra- hashi..(all same thing, no point in creating unnecessary categories)
nijutsus- minato
taijutsu- unknown but i'd lean towards minato
genjutsu- hashi
fuinjutsu- minato
summoning- minato

you seem to still not get what i was saying.. smh.. you were too busy trying to make minatos case look better you dont get what i said was a fact. his killing speed isnt the same as his foot speed or s/t speed. it is proof with Kb, if he could kill you in a instant raikage Kb, and every one else would be dead correct???? you seem to look like a fanboi ignoring the facts..

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this here is another fact of an example, if bee had enuff time to see, push, and save his brother from getting stab (which clearly is what happen, fact!) then minato cannot kill in an instant! if bee had enuff time to react im 100% sure hashi can aswell considering he can protect himself with wood from and direction and part of his body as shown by yamato!

then you say minato has him beat in the ninjutsu department???? he has only one ninjtu he has been shown to do, RASENGAN!!!
hashi has earth and water to go along with his wood! yamato has did over 10 ninjutu with wood, water, and earth!!! be serious! when you said minato had him beat in that department it was a done deal.. i cant argue with you..

then you say jman said he was the smartest (or something along thos lines???) show link! jman praise him like he praise nagato and naruto his other students! jman wasnt alive when hashi was too expeirience his powers and intelegence.

and the reason why i brought his brother up is too show that he wouldnt be a stranger to s/t in general. he would find away around it like the raikage has shown he could do (it was unlucky that minato marked his brother bee tho.lol)

minato isnt a fast killer like you make him out to bee and that is a fact! then he has a super weak rasengan that tobi bounced up from like he got pushed down.lol if a weak tobi can tank his best rasengan then im sure hashi with his armour on can aswell..

im not bashing minato i like the ninja, just dont like his fans since they tend to over do it at times.. but almost everything i have stated is a good arguement for hashi.

 

[s0ulja]

you seem to still not get what i was saying.. smh.. you were too busy trying to make minatos case look better you dont get what i said was a fact. his killing speed isnt the same as his foot speed or s/t speed. it is proof with Kb, if he could kill you in a instant raikage Kb, and every one else would be dead correct???? you seem to look like a fanboi ignoring the facts..

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this here is another fact of an example, if bee had enuff time to see, push, and save his brother from getting stab (which clearly is what happen, fact!) then minato cannot kill in an instant! if bee had enuff time to react im 100% sure hashi can aswell considering he can protect himself with wood from and direction and part of his body as shown by yamato!

then you say minato has him beat in the ninjutsu department???? he has only one ninjtu he has been shown to do, RASENGAN!!!
hashi has earth and water to go along with his wood! yamato has did over 10 ninjutu with wood, water, and earth!!! be serious! when you said minato had him beat in that department it was a done deal.. i cant argue with you..

then you say jman said he was the smartest (or something along thos lines???) show link! jman praise him like he praise nagato and naruto his other students! jman wasnt alive when hashi was too expeirience his powers and intelegence.

and the reason why i brought his brother up is too show that he wouldnt be a stranger to s/t in general. he would find away around it like the raikage has shown he could do (it was unlucky that minato marked his brother bee tho.lol)

minato isnt a fast killer like you make him out to bee and that is a fact! then he has a super weak rasengan that tobi bounced up from like he got pushed down.lol if a weak tobi can tank his best rasengan then im sure hashi with his armour on can aswell..

im not bashing minato i like the ninja, just dont like his fans since they tend to over do it at times.. but almost everything i have stated is a good arguement for hashi.

i do get what ur saying..but i showed u that u are wrong, here:

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thats foot speed..not ftg
are u comparing B+A's speed with hashi's? whatever respect i had for u jus disappeared
from the link u gave..chek the next few pages of ur reference u will see minato had no intent to kill since he was already leaving...and he took a liking to B, he had no reason to kill him like he did tobi.
jiraiya said that about him when he started training naruto with rasengan and also when they met up with tsuande at the bar..u can find the link urself if ur really interested, its somewhere near the 150 mark

and jiraiya dusn jus bs to his students, cuz when he was telling naruto why he decided to train him he said he resembles his former student minato..naruto got all excited and asked if its cuz his talented like the 4th hokage...jiraiya just shut him down (this was before naruto knew 4th was his father *resemblance*). anyone that knew nagato would have been impressed by him...the guy possessed the rinnegan :|
everyone took a liking to naruto,jiraiya jus saw the potential before everyone else plus its not too farfetched to think jiraiya would take a liking to him considering his just a young version of him...and look how strong he turned out, with the power of the fox naruto's bounds are limitless.

u don't become hokage with just one ninjutsu...i'm preti sure he had others but thats what he used most since it was the easiest and most effective...its based off of tbb (the most powerful attack in narutoverse).

2nd's s-t jutsu would be like rasengan, minato s-t jutsu would be like rasenshuriken...u think that through. raikage knew nothing...he didnt even know which kunai minato was going to come out of. luck? really? he just placed that seal by accident when he chopped off the tail yea? :|

super weak..thats why tobi decided to flee?

nor did i say hashi was weak, but dont go around blaming minato fans..if u got an issue take it up with kishi...i'm just stating what the manga said. and as far as i kno very little has been said about hashi.
another example good example is sarutobi...when oro summoned 1st n 2nd he didn seem too concerned...when 4th's coffin was comin up..the guy shat his pants..i wonder why
*note* im not comparing the actual battle since i am aware oro's zombie verison isnt a good comparison of the actual one, just the reaction

 

[Draegod]

i do get what ur saying..but i showed u that u are wrong, here:

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thats foot speed..not ftg
are u comparing B+A's speed with hashi's? whatever respect i had for u jus disappeared
from the link u gave..chek the next few pages of ur reference u will see minato had no intent to kill since he was already leaving...and he took a liking to B, he had no reason to kill him like he did tobi.
jiraiya said that about him when he started training naruto with rasengan and also when they met up with tsuande at the bar..u can find the link urself if ur really interested, its somewhere near the 150 mark

and jiraiya dusn jus bs to his students, cuz when he was telling naruto why he decided to train him he said he resembles his former student minato..naruto got all excited and asked if its cuz his talented like the 4th hokage...jiraiya just shut him down (this was before naruto knew 4th was his father *resemblance*). anyone that knew nagato would have been impressed by him...the guy possessed the rinnegan :|
everyone took a liking to naruto,jiraiya jus saw the potential before everyone else plus its not too farfetched to think jiraiya would take a liking to him considering his just a young version of him...and look how strong he turned out, with the power of the fox naruto's bounds are limitless.

u don't become hokage with just one ninjutsu...i'm preti sure he had others but thats what he used most since it was the easiest and most effective...its based off of tbb (the most powerful attack in narutoverse).

2nd's s-t jutsu would be like rasengan, minato s-t jutsu would be like rasenshuriken...u think that through. raikage knew nothing...he didnt even know which kunai minato was going to come out of. luck? really? he just placed that seal by accident when he chopped off the tail yea? :|

super weak..thats why tobi decided to flee?

nor did i say hashi was weak, but dont go around blaming minato fans..if u got an issue take it up with kishi...i'm just stating what the manga said. and as far as i kno very little has been said about hashi.
another example good example is sarutobi...when oro summoned 1st n 2nd he didn seem too concerned...when 4th's coffin was comin up..the guy shat his pants..i wonder why
*note* im not comparing the actual battle since i am aware oro's zombie verison isnt a good comparison of the actual one, just the reaction

smh and yet you still dont get what im saying. smh.. ima make a seperate thread explaining in a better way, since you dont get it. this isnt a hashi vs minato debate im saying im say... nevermind you still want get it because your too busy trying to defend minato not getting what others are trying to explain to you. got back and read everything i have posted slowly and carefully.. seperate thread coming soon..

 

[s0ulja]

smh and yet you still dont get what im saying. smh.. ima make a seperate thread explaining in a better way, since you dont get it. this isnt a hashi vs minato debate im saying im say... nevermind you still want get it because your too busy trying to defend minato not getting what others are trying to explain to you. got back and read everything i have posted slowly and carefully.. seperate thread coming soon..

uhh last i checked the title read "It's official than 1st>4th" ...and if im not mistaken 1st=hashirama, 4th=minato U_U
u said his foot speed isn't fast, just his ftg...but in those links i showed u how he surprised tobi, taking naruto from his capture (foot speed)
..his hand speed was so fast tobi didnt even realise he had already released the fox from his control, later the hidden cloud ninjas didn even see him put the seal on B's tail

u comparing dbz? :s
u comparing gentle fist? ..they dont really make physical contact..its like fast pokes...i suggest u keep ur arguments relevant..cuz clearli here u havn't been

 

[Minator93]

Experience- Hashi.
Intellegence- Minato
Speed- Minato
Power- Minato
Endurance/Stamina/Chakra- Hashi.
Nijutsus- Minato
Taijutsu- Minato
Genjutsu- Hashi
Fuinjutsu- Minato
Summoning- Minato

What more do we need...I duuno about you guys but I think Minato is "Goku SSJ4" of Narutoverse...

He has all the best departments mastered more than anyone.

1. Speed the most crucial element in battle...and Minato is the fastest of all time.

2. Intelligence also the thing you need if you have to win.

3. Sealing Techs....if you can't directly destroy an opponent then you disarm him of his tools on what he depends...Just like the CONTRACT SEAL used against Tobi.

4. A superb Ninjutsu [Rasengan which is fatal when combined with FTG] No hand seals or any other thing...and it does more damage than any other ninjutsu.

5. FTG to save his ass from any Fatal Situation and also to own almost everyone...also to teleport anyone to anywhere "you want" [SP-TM-Barrier]

6. If that *** "Monkey Enma" was able to cut through Hashi's Wood then its cakewalk for legends like Gamabunta , Gamahiro and of course Gamaken.

KISHI has made sure that no one can ever catch up to Minato...the most OP'd char by the Manga-writer himself...That's why everyone from the narutoverse says that "Minato is the man Who can never be surpassed"

Scenario :

Minato faces Hashi

Hashi starts to do his hand signs for wood style...and in the process gets hit with the deadliest combo from Narutoverse "FTG LEVEL 2 + RASENGAN"...A Yellow flash and we have a winner

 

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Minato does not use hand signs to use FTG. He only needs hand signs if he is going to be teleporting to somewhere where he does not have a kunai,or if he is teleporting something else to somewhere where he does not have kunai.

Secondly Minato can at least destroy some of the mokuton with his summons as even Enma was able to break Hiruzen out of it and Gamabunta is a whole lot larger and stronger than Enma. Hashirama was trying to capture the nine-tails, I don't think his goal would be to capture Minato's summons, and he can't do that if Minato doesn't even summon them until he needs them.

I have yet to see a kage with low chakra levels. Minato definitely has insane chakra levels, Hashirama probably has more I will give you that but Minato has alot. Did you see all the stuff he did in that fight against Tobi? When he teleported the TBB first and then the Kyuubi that ate up his chakra because they were both so huge and basically pure chakra.

absolutely not. he can neither teleport only things with ftg nor himself to a place where he has no seal, he can only move to the spot with high speed (ftg1). if he teleports to a seal (like the one he has on his kunais), which is the real time-space-jutsu, he needs a hand seal (in difference to tobi, stated by kakashi

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). therefore if he rasengans some tree or something, he becomes vulnerable since he cant move immediately to the opposite-direction of his attack and one only has to be fast enough to stop him from making the seal.

i dont really understand why the frogs should be stronger than enma. the third wouldnt summon him if he was crappy. apart from that enma's appearance didnt destroy the wood, it was his transformation or something the third used immediately afterwards. and i dont think that you can use the jutsus the first used in his edo form against the third as an example, i think comparing it to danzo's mokuton is more viable, which means that it is extremely fast and thick.

i dont say that minato doesnt have chakra, only that it will be hard to pierce a wooden wall or a network of bars when the first builds something like that, because the first can use his techniques to reinforce his defense and you will need more than one rasengan to pierce something of the size of these trees (and there are possible attacks which minato had to evade with ftg2). it will become a battle of chakra, in which i think minato would loose.

 

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i disagree in the intellegence department.. hashi was at war majority of his life going back and forth with the uchihas and other elite clans at the time. he manage to lead his clan to many victories and at the same time keep the war at peice by making an alliance with his mortal enemy (geniuos; keep your friends close, but your enemies closer) later own, dispursed the Tb's to other nations, and created the leaf village by himself. so in terms of intelegnce i would say it is a non factor since it would be a tie in that department.

in terms of space time ninjutsu, you forget his brother had space time that even minato noted was good (i say this because if it wasnt minato wouldnt bother bringing it up, plus tobbimaru is kage lv), i would assume he atleast know the jist' on how the tech works or strategies on how to stop it. and hashi has the abilitie to control ALL his surroundings at will at an extreme speed (noted by enma saving saru when saru was dazed a quick sec thinking). and in my thread it shows he can make wood appear from any part of his body to protect or atk.

minato is fast true, but what ppl forget is the fact that is killing speed isnt the same as his space time and foot speed.

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right then and there kb had a chance to counter atk. pls do not deny the fact that minato used ftg and KB had a chance to atk aswell. (we can agree from the manga), now if minato was as fast as you think this is what should be happening

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time:1:18 that is true speed, gogeta hit him mutiple times but we didnt even see gogeta next to him or lift a finger. minato isnt capable of that. he can get to you fast true; but his killing speed is the same as anyother ninja (kakashi, zabuza, itachi etc etc, fast but not unstoppable)...

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you dont see the hands period! this is fast hand killing speed, no one in the manga has shown faster hands!

overall both are powerful and id say:

Intellegence- tie
speed- minato
power- hashi
expeirince- hashi
endurance- hashi
stamina- hashi
nijutsus- hashi
taijutsu- hashi or minato
genjutsu- hashi
fuinjutsu- minato
summoning- minato
chakra- hashi

if im missing anything let me know, but as of now i think everything i have said is backed up and is a legit arguement!

Well in your list you had chakra and stamina and endurance, 3 things that are all very similar and interconnected. Honestly it kind of looks like you were trying to bulk up your list to make Hashirama have more.

And in now way would Hashirama ever beat Minato in pure taijutsu. Hiruzen, while fighting the first and second hokage managed to fight on equal terms in taijutsu (especially when he used clones) and he was able to put exploding tags on the first and second hokages. Minato is much faster and better at taijutsu than Hiruzen. I know you are going to say something about Oro's IWR being weaker so let me first say that it wouldn't have an effect on the Edo's speed and strength, only there ability to use the full range of their ninjutsu.

Secondly we don't know much about genjutsu from either of them, Hashirama has only shown one genjutsu ability which wouldn't do much good against Minato. I will admit that Minato has not shown any genjutsu but that is because the fights we have seen him in have been purely about speed (or sealing against the nine-tails). So i guess that you can give it to Hashirama but I think it shouldn't be in there at all as we have not seen what Minato can do in that department and we have only seen one genjutsu from Hashirama. One is not enough to base an opinion off of.

Lastly I don't think you can compare Minato to DBZ where all the characters are haxxed. No one could ever be that fast in Naruto. As it stands the only person who has been noted to have insane hand speed is Itachi, but Minato is fast enough and agile enough to get to Kakashi and counter the Iwa ninja's attack from what looks to be 30+ yards away. If he can counter like that at that speed, (which is faster than Kakashi moving at necessary chidori speeds) then I think his "killing speed" as you put it is extremely fast.

Here is my revised list of the attributes you put down.

Intelligence - If you give Hashirama genjutsu then you have to give Minato intelligence as we have seen no feats of battle intelligence from Hashirama. I think this is fair.
speed- minato
power- hashi
experience- hashi
nijutsus- hashi
taijutsu- definitely minato
genjutsu- hashi
fuinjutsu- minato
summoning- minato
Stamina and chakra are the exact same thing in the Naruto universe and endurance is directly related to them so it doesn't make sense for 3 separate categories for the same thing. either way chakra/stamina/endurancegoes to Hashirama

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

absolutely not. he can neither teleport only things with ftg nor himself to a place where he has no seal, he can only move to the spot with high speed (ftg1). if he teleports to a seal (like the one he has on his kunais), which is the real time-space-jutsu, he needs a hand seal (in difference to tobi, stated by kakashi

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). therefore if he rasengans some tree or something, he becomes vulnerable since he cant move immediately to the opposite-direction of his attack and one only has to be fast enough to stop him from making the seal.

i dont really understand why the frogs should be stronger than enma. the third wouldnt summon him if he was crappy. apart from that enma's appearance didnt destroy the wood, it was his transformation or something the third used immediately afterwards. and i dont think that you can use the jutsus the first used in his edo form against the third as an example, i think comparing it to danzo's mokuton is more viable, which means that it is extremely fast and thick.

i dont say that minato doesnt have chakra, only that it will be hard to pierce a wooden wall or a network of bars when the first builds something like that, because the first can use his techniques to reinforce his defense and you will need more than one rasengan to pierce something of the size of these trees (and there are possible attacks which minato had to evade with ftg2). it will become a battle of chakra, in which i think minato would loose.

Minato teleported the 9-tails TBB behind the Kage memorial in Konoha. He used the FTG kunai to capture the TBB into another dimension and then he waited and use hands signs to send it behind there. Unless you think that he had random Kunai on that cliff. It wasn't instant like FTG because he had to pick a place to send it and do hand signs.

But you have to realize that when he uses FTG on himself he requires no hand signs.

 

[blazekev90]

Experience- Hashi.
Intellegence- Minato
Speed- Minato
Power- Minato
Endurance/Stamina/Chakra- Hashi.
Nijutsus- Minato
Taijutsu- Minato
Genjutsu- Hashi
Fuinjutsu- Minato
Summoning- Minato

What more do we need...I duuno about you guys but I think Minato is "Goku SSJ4" of Narutoverse...

He has all the best departments mastered more than anyone.

1. Speed the most crucial element in battle...and Minato is the fastest of all time.

2. Intelligence also the thing you need if you have to win.

3. Sealing Techs....if you can't directly destroy an opponent then you disarm him of his tools on what he depends...Just like the CONTRACT SEAL used against Tobi.

4. A superb Ninjutsu [Rasengan which is fatal when combined with FTG] No hand seals or any other thing...and it does more damage than any other ninjutsu.

5. FTG to save his ass from any Fatal Situation and also to own almost everyone...also to teleport anyone to anywhere "you want" [SP-TM-Barrier]

6. If that *** "Monkey Enma" was able to cut through Hashi's Wood then its cakewalk for legends like Gamabunta , Gamahiro and of course Gamaken.

KISHI has made sure that no one can ever catch up to Minato...the most OP'd char by the Manga-writer himself...That's why everyone from the narutoverse says that "Minato is the man Who can never be surpassed"

Scenario :

Minato faces Hashi

Hashi starts to do his hand signs for wood style...and in the process gets hit with the deadliest combo from Narutoverse "FTG LEVEL 2 + RASENGAN"...A Yellow flash and we have a winner

Minato has more power????? boy #FAIL

 

[Revan]

Minato teleported the 9-tails TBB behind the Kage memorial in Konoha. He used the FTG kunai to capture the TBB into another dimension and then he waited and use hands signs to send it behind there. Unless you think that he had random Kunai on that cliff. It wasn't instant like FTG because he had to pick a place to send it and do hand signs.

But you have to realize that when he uses FTG on himself he requires no hand signs.

yes, he teleported the tbb with a ts-barrier (said by some of the jounin). is not ftg and it worked like a barrier, meaning that he cant just do the tobi-catch-teleport on any distance but that he can catch things that move into his barrier and teleport them.
apart from that i dont think that he needed the kunai, he just had it in his hand. i'm not sure about that, but i dont think that it's important either.

minato and kakashi said that he need a sign or a tatoo to do it and we also see minato use it. not always, but often enough and i dont think that he would use a hand sign if he didnt have to.

 

[s0ulja]

Minato has more power????? boy #FAIL

not raw power..but powerful attacks
raw power was given to hashi with stamina/endurance/chakra i.e strength

 

[Tarheel09]

SJ: While we're at it... could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

MK: Hmmm, it's a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he's the strongest. I'd say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes... well, without going into many details I'd have to say no. There's a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.

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[blazekev90]

not raw power..but powerful attacks
raw power was given to hashi with stamina/endurance/chakra i.e strength

And which powerful attack is that?? And should that have been included with ninjutsu. Aslo, I don't remember seeing above average taijutsu, refresh my memory plz.

 

[Turson]

SJ: While we're at it... could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

MK: Hmmm, it's a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he's the strongest. I'd say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes... well, without going into many details I'd have to say no. There's a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.

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Alright, are you sure that this want writen by some Minato fanboy? Bolded part make it really suspicious. Who could be stronger than Minato at that time? Only two persons: Pain and Tobi (without Rinnegan). But... I doubt if they were stronger than Rikudou or EMS Madara whose were long dead.

 

[Draegod]

SJ: While we're at it... could you please tell us if Minato was the strongest shinobi that ever lived?

MK: Hmmm, it's a tricky question. As far as dead shinobis goes, then yes, he's the strongest. I'd say that Sandaime shares the number one spot with him. As far as living shinobis goes... well, without going into many details I'd have to say no. There's a couple of shinobis whose stronger than him.

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lmao ahhahaahah it ge3ts funny everytime some noob brings up that fake interveiw that isnt/was on an official jump site, manga, magazine, from the manga itself or video proof of him saying that.

i just heard japan is about to take over the world from some random site with rendom interview words. do you believe me kid??? i have no proof, it wasnt on the news or a reliable site or magazine, but its the truth! lmao i hope you get it..xd

 

[Draegod]

And which powerful attack is that?? And should that have been included with ninjutsu. Aslo, I don't remember seeing above average taijutsu, refresh my memory plz.

i hope he's not refering to that weak ass rasengan that naruto makes look like childsplay with his 10+ op rasengans. minato has only shown one ninjutsu and it is weak as hell!!! LOL I think the kid is just talking just to talk now. haha

 

[s0ulja]

And which powerful attack is that?? And should that have been included with ninjutsu. Aslo, I don't remember seeing above average taijutsu, refresh my memory plz.

come back when u understand the difference between power and strength..if u dont then ask n i'l explain