2.i think jiraya is largely overestimated. if you look at the way he fought the first three pains, you can see that he's intelligent and analyzing, but he's not dominating three of the weaker pains (let's be honest, the only really strong one is god pain). when he fought the other three too, he's beaten in seconds. i cant really see him win against nagato no matter what nagato said at that time.
i think that itachi would have been way stronger in the same situation, susano'o and amaterasu are pretty amazing. that's also the reason why i think that itachi would beat jiraya.
minato is thinking about these possibilities because he wants to protect his village and there are no alternatives if he wants to do that in any way. i dont think that these 2 possibilities resemble his conviction, but his hope.
i think he's talking about the achievements, not the strength. hashirama lead his clan through a war, made it the most powerful clan in the world, founded konoha and controlled the 9 tailed beasts. <->minato fought tobi and raikage and was feared in a war.
-pain himself said jiraiya would have had a chance if he knew his secret, itachi himself said his not strong enough to take on jiraiya...if he was bluffing why did he run? and he wasn't even using sage mode... jiraiya showed he could seal away amaterasu. so no jiraiya wasn over-estimated
yes hashi achieved more feats but 1v1 fight minato wins
-pain himself said jiraiya would have had a chance if he knew his secret, itachi himself said his not strong enough to take on jiraiya...if he was bluffing why did he run? and he wasn't even using sage mode... jiraiya showed he could seal away amaterasu. so no jiraiya wasn over-estimated
yes hashi achieved more feats but 1v1 fight minato wins
zetsu said that ms-sasuke was weaker than sm naruto while i have no idea how sm naruto would have to survive amaterasu. kabuto once said that the (third) hokage is said to be the strongest kage, while the current tsuchikage and raikage were alive, who both seemed way stronger than what we have seen from the third in his old state. kb told naruto that he's going to die if he holds chakra-mode for too long and that he'll die extremely fast if he uses kgb. the first thing he did after training the whole day in chakra cloak is to make kgb and fight for the next two hours with them.
people in naruto are talking crap the whole time, since kishi is reworking his ideas and powerups all the time. the nagato naruto meets is a weak, crippled guy who is out of chakra and needs to shoot swords at naruto. the nagato he later fights is a monster that would have beaten like 3/4 of the top ten we have seen fighting. just because somebody is saying something at a point that doesnt mean that that wont be contradicted later on.
to finally say whether hashi wins or looses we have to see him fight. but currently i'd say that hashirama wins, he has more experience and was the strongest person during years of clanwars. and he's the rival of madara, who is according to tsuchikage strong enough to just do whatever he wants
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nowadays. i know that that's also only said, but we have so far no contradiction to this words.
zetsu said that ms-sasuke was weaker than sm naruto while i have no idea how sm naruto would have to survive amaterasu. kabuto once said that the (third) hokage is said to be the strongest kage, while the current tsuchikage and raikage were alive, who both seemed way stronger than what we have seen from the third in his old state. kb told naruto that he's going to die if he holds chakra-mode for too long and that he'll die extremely fast if he uses kgb. the first thing he did after training the whole day in chakra cloak is to make kgb and fight for the next two hours with them.
people in naruto are talking crap the whole time, since kishi is reworking his ideas and powerups all the time. the nagato naruto meets is a weak, crippled guy who is out of chakra and needs to shoot swords at naruto. the nagato he later fights is a monster that would have beaten like 3/4 of the top ten we have seen fighting. just because somebody is saying something at a point that doesnt mean that that wont be contradicted later on.
zetsu said that ms-sasuke was weaker than sm naruto while i have no idea how sm naruto would have to survive amaterasu.
people in naruto are talking crap the whole time, since kishi is reworking his ideas and powerups all the time. the nagato naruto meets is a weak, crippled guy who is out of chakra and needs to shoot swords at naruto. the nagato he later fights is a monster that would have beaten like 3/4 of the top ten we have seen fighting. just because somebody is saying something at a point that doesnt mean that that wont be contradicted later on.
Zetsu was right...as we have seen that SM-Naruto was able to take-on mighty Pain...but as you said how to Survive Amaterasu?
Well in SM he is able to detect an attack even before it happen [this is why he used SM to defeat 3rd Raikage when RS Mode wasn't enough]...all he has to do is dodge the thing unless Sasuke is incapable of doing it or to get close to him in the process and hit him with Odama Rasengan or Rasen-rengan furthermore if he throws Rasen-shuriken then its all over for Sasuke.
Yeah that's right the second Para.
Also Minato was the strongest of his generation...forget the achievements...I really don't see how in world Hashirama would win against Minato...I mean Minato is an absolute monster when it comes to combat....He wasn't afraid to take on 4th raikage and bee even after he knew that he was the 8 tails Jinchuriki who can control his bijuu...He wasn't even afraid to take on Nine-tails or Tobi [Madara in his mind] for that Matter.
Zetsu was right...as we have seen that SM-Naruto was able to take-on mighty Pain...but as you said how to Survive Amaterasu?
Well in SM he is able to detect an attack even before it happen [this is why he used SM to defeat 3rd Raikage when RS Mode wasn't enough]...all he has to do is dodge the thing unless Sasuke is incapable of doing it or to get close to him in the process and hit him with Odama Rasengan or Rasen-rengan furthermore if he throws Rasen-shuriken then its all over for Sasuke.
Yeah that's right the second Para.
Also Minato was the strongest of his generation...forget the achievements...I really don't see how in world Hashirama would win against Minato...I mean Minato is an absolute monster when it comes to combat....He wasn't afraid to take on 4th raikage and bee even after he knew that he was the 8 tails Jinchuriki who can control his bijuu...He wasn't even afraid to take on Nine-tails or Tobi [Madara in his mind] for that Matter.
zetsu said that ms-sasuke was weaker than sm naruto while i have no idea how sm naruto would have to survive amaterasu. kabuto once said that the (third) hokage is said to be the strongest kage, while the current tsuchikage and raikage were alive, who both seemed way stronger than what we have seen from the third in his old state. kb told naruto that he's going to die if he holds chakra-mode for too long and that he'll die extremely fast if he uses kgb. the first thing he did after training the whole day in chakra cloak is to make kgb and fight for the next two hours with them.
people in naruto are talking crap the whole time, since kishi is reworking his ideas and powerups all the time. the nagato naruto meets is a weak, crippled guy who is out of chakra and needs to shoot swords at naruto. the nagato he later fights is a monster that would have beaten like 3/4 of the top ten we have seen fighting. just because somebody is saying something at a point that doesnt mean that that wont be contradicted later on.
to finally say whether hashi wins or looses we have to see him fight. but currently i'd say that hashirama wins, he has more experience and was the strongest person during years of clanwars. and he's the rival of madara, who is according to tsuchikage strong enough to just do whatever he wants
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nowadays. i know that that's also only said, but we have so far no contradiction to this words.
instead of just looking at who said what, how about you look at the character and context as well, and sm naruto is > ms suske. yes amaterasu real strong but to damage naruto it has to hit him right?
what kabuto said was hokage's a generally strongest of the kage's, dont forget 3rd's time was over..he only came back from retirement after minato died..and we've been shown minato>raikage (same generation)..and if 3rd went 1v1 wit tsuchikage my money would be on sarutobi.
it has been said shadow clones are dangerous as well, but since naruto has such large chakra reserve his able to make hundreds at once, so my guess would be thats also why his able to hold it for so long...plus there are other factors like naruto only has the yang chakra of the fox so it may not be as dangerous
nagato is a cripple b'cuz hanzo blew up his legs not b'cuz his weak...he wasn't able to move later either..itachi was carrying him and then he became 'complete' once he absobred naruto's chakra (life force..that turns zetsu's into trees)
clan=primitive, everything has evolved since hashi's days
but yes hashi has done a lot for the shinobi system, given the opportunity minato would have done the same, but in a battle those achievements mean nothing. it all comes down to combat ability
both are skilled, both were hokages, minato's faster he wins
jounin=fodder?
at that young age the only ones that could stand up to him were kages..he showed he was better than raikage, from what we saw others woudnt have been able to take him on either
I find it funny that the only people in this thread are Minato haters. The two biggest are Draegod and blazekev90, you two never miss a chance to bash Minato wherever you can.
If only that Thunderbolt kid were here to join you, he is a Minato hater that outshines both of you, his hatred has no bounds and is completely irrational.
Now Hashirama might be better than Minato, but from what we know now there is just no evidence to base this on.
On to the actual thread response though, most of you have incomplete or erroneous information. The most common argument for Hashirama being better than Minato is that Hashirama beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time, well that is a loaded statement with half truths at best. Mito Uzumaki was there as well, and Hashirama did not have to fight the Kyuubi as he has mokuton which is perfectly suited for suppressing tailed beasts. Mokuton is really only useful for capturing tailed beasts or slow people and then suppressing their chakra, it isn't a very offensive attack.
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Now on to the next part, we aren't even sure who Tobi is so I don't get how Minato fighting Tobi and the kyuubi is any less worthy than Hashirama fighting Madara and the Kyuubi. We have no idea how powerful madara is or what his abilities were, maybe Hashirama was the ideal person to take him out because of ability match ups.
It is almost a sure thing that Madara did not have the ST jutsu that Tobi had, and instead had an entire different set of abilities that we know nothing about, so don't say that Tobi is a weakened form of Madara because we know nothing about that because of the latest manga.
So now on to their abilities. I honestly cannot see a way that Hashirama would win a fight against Minato.
Here is a list of their abilities:
Minato - Super fast, ST jutsu, sensor ninja, rasengan, master of toad summons, at least one element mastered, best ever at sealing jutsu, highly intelligent.
Hashirama - mokuton, bringer of darkness genjutsu, can suppress tailed beasts (not control them like so many people seem to think, that requires genjutsu of the highest caliber)
With what we know about them, what gives anyone the idea that Hashirama could win a one. vs one fight against Minato?
Minato is far too fast to be caught in mokuton, which is a very slow attack. Secondly Minato has the toad summons, which are large enough to destroy alot of the mokuton. What defense does hashirama have against Minato's speed? The bringer of darkness? Minato is a sensor ninja and can tell where ninjas are, reference the kakashi gaiden if you want to see it.
As to feats, yes Hashirama led the Senju through a war torn era, and helped found and build Konoha, but he shares that privilege with Tobirama and Madara. They all founded Konoha together, it wasn't until after it was founded that Madara left. SO equal shares of that should go to Madara and Tobirama as well instead of just giving all the credit to Hashirama, because that is just idiotic.
Honestly in terms of impressive feats I think that Tobirama has more than any other kage, but that is not for this discussion.
If you find fault with my logic or reasoning on any thing please point it out, as I have used manga proof that you can't say one way or another that Hashirama is better than Minato. In fact as of right now, all evidence points to the fact that Minato would win in a one on one fight.
On to the actual thread response though, most of you have incomplete or erroneous information. The most common argument for Hashirama being better than Minato is that Hashirama beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time, well that is a loaded statement with half truths at best. Mito Uzumaki was there as well, and Hashirama did not have to fight the Kyuubi as he has mokuton which is perfectly suited for suppressing tailed beasts. Mokuton is really only useful for capturing tailed beasts or slow people and then suppressing their chakra, it isn't a very offensive attack.
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Now on to the next part, we aren't even sure who Tobi is so I don't get how Minato fighting Tobi and the kyuubi is any less worthy than Hashirama fighting Madara and the Kyuubi. We have no idea how powerful madara is or what his abilities were, maybe Hashirama was the ideal person to take him out because of ability match ups.
It is almost a sure thing that Madara did not have the ST jutsu that Tobi had, and instead had an entire different set of abilities that we know nothing about, so don't say that Tobi is a weakened form of Madara because we know nothing about that because of the latest manga.
So now on to their abilities. I honestly cannot see a way that Hashirama would win a fight against Minato.
Here is a list of their abilities:
Minato - Super fast, ST jutsu, sensor ninja, rasengan, master of toad summons, at least one element mastered, best ever at sealing jutsu, highly intelligent.
Hashirama - mokuton, bringer of darkness genjutsu, can suppress tailed beasts (not control them like so many people seem to think, that requires genjutsu of the highest caliber)
With what we know about them, what gives anyone the idea that Hashirama could win a one. vs one fight against Minato?
Minato is far too fast to be caught in mokuton, which is a very slow attack. Secondly Minato has the toad summons, which are large enough to destroy alot of the mokuton. What defense does hashirama have against Minato's speed? The bringer of darkness? Minato is a sensor ninja and can tell where ninjas are, reference the kakashi gaiden if you want to see it.
As to feats, yes Hashirama led the Senju through a war torn era, and helped found and build Konoha, but he shares that privilege with Tobirama and Madara. They all founded Konoha together, it wasn't until after it was founded that Madara left. SO equal shares of that should go to Madara and Tobirama as well instead of just giving all the credit to Hashirama, because that is just idiotic.
Honestly in terms of impressive feats I think that Tobirama has more than any other kage, but that is not for this discussion.
If you find fault with my logic or reasoning on any thing please point it out, as I have used manga proof that you can't say one way or another that Hashirama is better than Minato. In fact as of right now, all evidence points to the fact that Minato would win in a one on one fight.
I find it funny that the only people in this thread are Minato haters. The two biggest are Draegod and blazekev90, you two never miss a chance to bash Minato wherever you can.
If only that Thunderbolt kid were here to join you, he is a Minato hater that outshines both of you, his hatred has no bounds and is completely irrational.
Now Hashirama might be better than Minato, but from what we know now there is just no evidence to base this on.
On to the actual thread response though, most of you have incomplete or erroneous information. The most common argument for Hashirama being better than Minato is that Hashirama beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time, well that is a loaded statement with half truths at best. Mito Uzumaki was there as well, and Hashirama did not have to fight the Kyuubi as he has mokuton which is perfectly suited for suppressing tailed beasts. Mokuton is really only useful for capturing tailed beasts or slow people and then suppressing their chakra, it isn't a very offensive attack.
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Now on to the next part, we aren't even sure who Tobi is so I don't get how Minato fighting Tobi and the kyuubi is any less worthy than Hashirama fighting Madara and the Kyuubi. We have no idea how powerful madara is or what his abilities were, maybe Hashirama was the ideal person to take him out because of ability match ups.
It is almost a sure thing that Madara did not have the ST jutsu that Tobi had, and instead had an entire different set of abilities that we know nothing about, so don't say that Tobi is a weakened form of Madara because we know nothing about that because of the latest manga.
So now on to their abilities. I honestly cannot see a way that Hashirama would win a fight against Minato.
Here is a list of their abilities:
Minato - Super fast, ST jutsu, sensor ninja, rasengan, master of toad summons, at least one element mastered, best ever at sealing jutsu, highly intelligent.
Hashirama - mokuton, bringer of darkness genjutsu, can suppress tailed beasts (not control them like so many people seem to think, that requires genjutsu of the highest caliber)
With what we know about them, what gives anyone the idea that Hashirama could win a one. vs one fight against Minato?
Minato is far too fast to be caught in mokuton, which is a very slow attack. Secondly Minato has the toad summons, which are large enough to destroy alot of the mokuton. What defense does hashirama have against Minato's speed? The bringer of darkness? Minato is a sensor ninja and can tell where ninjas are, reference the kakashi gaiden if you want to see it.
As to feats, yes Hashirama led the Senju through a war torn era, and helped found and build Konoha, but he shares that privilege with Tobirama and Madara. They all founded Konoha together, it wasn't until after it was founded that Madara left. SO equal shares of that should go to Madara and Tobirama as well instead of just giving all the credit to Hashirama, because that is just idiotic.
Honestly in terms of impressive feats I think that Tobirama has more than any other kage, but that is not for this discussion.
If you find fault with my logic or reasoning on any thing please point it out, as I have used manga proof that you can't say one way or another that Hashirama is better than Minato. In fact as of right now, all evidence points to the fact that Minato would win in a one on one fight.
I find it funny that the only people in this thread are Minato haters. The two biggest are Draegod and blazekev90, you two never miss a chance to bash Minato wherever you can.
If only that Thunderbolt kid were here to join you, he is a Minato hater that outshines both of you, his hatred has no bounds and is completely irrational.
Now Hashirama might be better than Minato, but from what we know now there is just no evidence to base this on.
On to the actual thread response though, most of you have incomplete or erroneous information. The most common argument for Hashirama being better than Minato is that Hashirama beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time, well that is a loaded statement with half truths at best. Mito Uzumaki was there as well, and Hashirama did not have to fight the Kyuubi as he has mokuton which is perfectly suited for suppressing tailed beasts. Mokuton is really only useful for capturing tailed beasts or slow people and then suppressing their chakra, it isn't a very offensive attack.
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Now on to the next part, we aren't even sure who Tobi is so I don't get how Minato fighting Tobi and the kyuubi is any less worthy than Hashirama fighting Madara and the Kyuubi. We have no idea how powerful madara is or what his abilities were, maybe Hashirama was the ideal person to take him out because of ability match ups.
It is almost a sure thing that Madara did not have the ST jutsu that Tobi had, and instead had an entire different set of abilities that we know nothing about, so don't say that Tobi is a weakened form of Madara because we know nothing about that because of the latest manga.
So now on to their abilities. I honestly cannot see a way that Hashirama would win a fight against Minato.
Here is a list of their abilities:
Minato - Super fast, ST jutsu, sensor ninja, rasengan, master of toad summons, at least one element mastered, best ever at sealing jutsu, highly intelligent.
Hashirama - mokuton, bringer of darkness genjutsu, can suppress tailed beasts (not control them like so many people seem to think, that requires genjutsu of the highest caliber)
With what we know about them, what gives anyone the idea that Hashirama could win a one. vs one fight against Minato?
Minato is far too fast to be caught in mokuton, which is a very slow attack. Secondly Minato has the toad summons, which are large enough to destroy alot of the mokuton. What defense does hashirama have against Minato's speed? The bringer of darkness? Minato is a sensor ninja and can tell where ninjas are, reference the kakashi gaiden if you want to see it.
As to feats, yes Hashirama led the Senju through a war torn era, and helped found and build Konoha, but he shares that privilege with Tobirama and Madara. They all founded Konoha together, it wasn't until after it was founded that Madara left. SO equal shares of that should go to Madara and Tobirama as well instead of just giving all the credit to Hashirama, because that is just idiotic.
Honestly in terms of impressive feats I think that Tobirama has more than any other kage, but that is not for this discussion.
If you find fault with my logic or reasoning on any thing please point it out, as I have used manga proof that you can't say one way or another that Hashirama is better than Minato. In fact as of right now, all evidence points to the fact that Minato would win in a one on one fight.
This guy speaks the truth. I've said numerous times that Hashirama was perfectly suited for his fight against Madara and the kyuubi because of his ability to control tailed beasts.
So I wrote a well researched, lengthy post so that you can post something with no logic or reasoning and tell me to "suck a dikk".
And you say that you don't have an irrational hatred of Minato. You call these people fanboys but in reality you are being the biggest one of them all. I guess you should be called a reverse fanboy though since you will listen to no reason and accept nothing that makes Minato a powerful character.
If you find fault with my above post that says how there is no proof that hashirama is better than Minato, point it out to me, as I am pretty sure I used facts and sound logic.
Zetsu was right...as we have seen that SM-Naruto was able to take-on mighty Pain...but as you said how to Survive Amaterasu?
Well in SM he is able to detect an attack even before it happen [this is why he used SM to defeat 3rd Raikage when RS Mode wasn't enough]...all he has to do is dodge the thing unless Sasuke is incapable of doing it or to get close to him in the process and hit him with Odama Rasengan or Rasen-rengan furthermore if he throws Rasen-shuriken then its all over for Sasuke.
Yeah that's right the second Para.
Also Minato was the strongest of his generation...forget the achievements...I really don't see how in world Hashirama would win against Minato...I mean Minato is an absolute monster when it comes to combat....He wasn't afraid to take on 4th raikage and bee even after he knew that he was the 8 tails Jinchuriki who can control his bijuu...He wasn't even afraid to take on Nine-tails or Tobi [Madara in his mind] for that Matter.
to the bold part: you have to think about the way, amaterasu works. light is reflected from the thing he's watching into his eye and that point begins to burn ("amaterasu ignites anything he looks at" as stated in the manga). so the only possibility to evade amaterasu is that the attacked person is moving almost at light-speed, changing his position before the light reflected by him falls into the amaterasu-users eye. sorry, but sm naruto isnt that fast at that time, he cant evade amaterasu even if he knows that it comes.
rasenshurikan is great if it hits, but it's pretty slow (god pain evaded it both times when it was thrown at him). i doubt that he could hit sasuke with a thrown frs at that time.
the achievement were thought as an answer to the question before, not to the general question, who is stronger.
i think that there are many nins who can take on bijuus, e.g. kisame wasnt afraid of the 8-tails either and beat the 6 or 7-tailed jinchuuriku. the third raikage was stronger than 8-tails, and i think the current one is too. kyuubi might be the strongest one, but he's not unbeatable. tobi's ts-armor is great, but it clearly has weaknesses to continued attacks or time-space-attacks. so minato kinda "countered him".
that doesnt mean that i think that minato is weak in any way, i know that he's a freakin monster in battle and could beat everybody that we have seen fighting so far, but the way hashi and especially his rival madara are hyped in the manga gives me the impression, that hashi is even stronger. i know that that's completely speculative and subjective, but madara's name is still called with such reverence, that i get the feeling that he was stronger than anything that came after the two of them.
@itachi namikaze: I'll have to split your post up a bit, since there are many points which i want to answer separately.
On to the actual thread response though, most of you have incomplete or erroneous information. The most common argument for Hashirama being better than Minato is that Hashirama beat Madara and the Kyuubi at the same time, well that is a loaded statement with half truths at best. Mito Uzumaki was there as well, and Hashirama did not have to fight the Kyuubi as he has mokuton which is perfectly suited for suppressing tailed beasts. Mokuton is really only useful for capturing tailed beasts or slow people and then suppressing their chakra, it isn't a very offensive attack.
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Now on to the next part, we aren't even sure who Tobi is so I don't get how Minato fighting Tobi and the kyuubi is any less worthy than Hashirama fighting Madara and the Kyuubi. We have no idea how powerful madara is or what his abilities were, maybe Hashirama was the ideal person to take him out because of ability match ups.
It is almost a sure thing that Madara did not have the ST jutsu that Tobi had, and instead had an entire different set of abilities that we know nothing about, so don't say that Tobi is a weakened form of Madara because we know nothing about that because of the latest manga.
agreed to the part with mito. i never said that hashi beat both of them, for me the point was madara.
about tobi or madara: stated at the top of my post.
sry, but that's just wrong. we have seen that danzo blocked a susano'o-arrow with mokuton, and that if yamato has build something with mokuton, he can instantly create further extensions at every point.
So now on to their abilities. I honestly cannot see a way that Hashirama would win a fight against Minato.
Here is a list of their abilities:
Minato - Super fast, ST jutsu, sensor ninja, rasengan, master of toad summons, at least one element mastered, best ever at sealing jutsu, highly intelligent.
Hashirama - mokuton, bringer of darkness genjutsu, can suppress tailed beasts (not control them like so many people seem to think, that requires genjutsu of the highest caliber)
With what we know about them, what gives anyone the idea that Hashirama could win a one. vs one fight against Minato?
Minato is far too fast to be caught in mokuton, which is a very slow attack. Secondly Minato has the toad summons, which are large enough to destroy alot of the mokuton. What defense does hashirama have against Minato's speed? The bringer of darkness? Minato is a sensor ninja and can tell where ninjas are, reference the kakashi gaiden if you want to see it.
the toads wil be entangled and bound the moment they pop out. summonings are like the worst thing possible against mokuton.
about the mokuton i think you are wrong. the more i think about it, the more i think that it's like the perfect defensive technique. you can build a cage like the thing that caught the third around yourself and catch and entangle everything that comes close. you can change the environment and make things like minato's teleport-kunais useless by pushing them to one spot. you can build gatters around you and catch everything that enters it. with huge chakra-reserves it is pretty awesome, it's like gaara's sand just without the limit of mass. it could completely counter minato, who relies so heavily on his speed and the space to move.
to the bold part: you have to think about the way, amaterasu works. light is reflected from the thing he's watching into his eye and that point begins to burn ("amaterasu ignites anything he looks at" as stated in the manga). so the only possibility to evade amaterasu is that the attacked person is moving almost at light-speed, changing his position before the light reflected by him falls into the amaterasu-users eye. sorry, but sm naruto isnt that fast at that time, he cant evade amaterasu even if he knows that it comes.
rasenshurikan is great if it hits, but it's pretty slow (god pain evaded it both times when it was thrown at him). i doubt that he could hit sasuke with a thrown frs at that time.
the achievement were thought as an answer to the question before, not to the general question, who is stronger.
i think that there are many nins who can take on bijuus, e.g. kisame wasnt afraid of the 8-tails either and beat the 6 or 7-tailed jinchuuriku. the third raikage was stronger than 8-tails, and i think the current one is too. kyuubi might be the strongest one, but he's not unbeatable. tobi's ts-armor is great, but it clearly has weaknesses to continued attacks or time-space-attacks. so minato kinda "countered him".
that doesnt mean that i think that minato is weak in any way, i know that he's a freakin monster in battle and could beat everybody that we have seen fighting so far, but the way hashi and especially his rival madara are hyped in the manga gives me the impression, that hashi is even stronger. i know that that's completely speculative and subjective, but madara's name is still called with such reverence, that i get the feeling that he was stronger than anything that came after the two of them.
apart from that mokuton isnt as useless as many think it is, you can build a cage like the thing that caught the third around yourself and catch and entangle everything that comes close. you can change the environment and make things like minato's teleport-kunais useless). it would completely counter minato, who relies so heavily on his speed and the space to move.
A mokuton cage would do literally nothing to Minato who has FTG kunai planted basically everywhere in Konoha. All he would have to do is teleport away when faced with an attack that he can't dodge or counter.
One on one Hashirama stand no chance against Minato because of this, his speed, and his summons.
