Itachi greater than any shinobi

[Turson]

Lmao i see what yo udid there. Think he meant current madara but not edo xd

Yeah, but that hypothetical, not actual character from manga, pretty much like "prime Hiruzen" or "healthy Itachi".

 

[Takos]

Lmao i see what yo udid there. Think he meant current madara but not edo xd

Aye.

Yeah, but that hypothetical, not actual character from manga, pretty much like "prime Hiruzen" or "healthy Itachi".

IMO it's less hypothetical, because we can see in the manga young Madara's power with Rinnegan and Hashi DNA to some extent, as opposed to healthy Itachi or prime Hiruzen which were just mentioned or even less than that.


But anyway, after I gave it a thought, I'm not really sure if current Madara is stronger than Hashi. I assumed Hashi was equal to EMS Madara, so Mokuton+Rinnegan Madara would be stronger than him but then I realised Madara used Kyuubi in their fight so it wasn't really fair.
I'm not sure what to think of it at the moment. U_U

 

[Kinimaster]

There is no correct answer, somebody can say udon is the greatest and come up with his points.

What makes him the greatest is that he was the leader of the strongest clan who was so great that the uchiha desowned their own leader for the a senju to become the first hokage. Its due to his influence that the village was named the 'leaf' village and his ideology and the will of fire shines bright even in itachi. Its his idea of a village system that other countries followed. Its his scrolls/info in the hokage's office that allows the next generation of hokage's to improve. He was the sensei along with Tobirama of Hiruzen was later the sensei of the sannins who are now the sensei's of minato, naruto, sasuke, sakura. He later defeated the greatest 'evil' of his time. He then gave away multiple bijuu's under his control to even out the power balance in the villages or some shit like that.



Nope greatness has nothing to do with power.



Lmao i see what yo udid there. Think he meant current madara but not edo xd

That being said, he had no much difficulty in doing so, i get the will of fire part, but its pretty obvious that their first leader would initiate some ideology to keep the village going. The hardest time for Hashirama in his life with the things shown in the manga, was a fight, the one against Madara. He was a great fighter, and i really like him, he is the second character i like the most since 2005, but in no way he is the greatest shinobi, maybe the greatest Hokage.

 

[Turson]

Aye.



IMO it's less hypothetical, because we can see in the manga young Madara's power with Rinnegan and Hashi DNA to some extent, as opposed to healthy Itachi or prime Hiruzen which were just mentioned or even less than that.

Edo Madara or Edo Itachi had ifinite chakra and unlimited regeneration. Thats massive boost in power. Although we could see Madaras abilities, we cant say how much he would be able to use them, and thats one of most important factors when it comes to overall strenght.

 

[Takos]

Edo Madara or Edo Itachi had ifinite chakra and unlimited regeneration. Thats massive boost in power. Although we could see Madaras abilities, we cant say how much he would be able to use them, and thats one of most important factors when it comes to overall strenght.

With this I agree.

 

[natzzz]

Madara,hashirama,2nd mizu,muu,obito>itachi.

 

[9th Raikage]

Jiriya slaughters Itachi... even Itachi states this.

 

[Turson]

Jiriya slaughters Itachi... even Itachi states this.

Considering what Itachi stated at that time (that even more back up wouldnt change the outcome of fight) its clear that he was talking bs.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Itachi>Minato
I have reasons because when there is a fight between Minato and Itachi happened sur Minato will use flying thunder god technique to come before him and stab him with kunai or use rasengan. Then from itachi's bod crows will appear.It meant that Minato is now under Itachi's genjutsu. Itachi's tusukyomi is unique because it can controll time so even if Minato stay in a few seconds in illusion the damage would hace been done.This is not only for Minato but for other ninjas too.He can seal his enemy using totsuka sword in susano. Same for Madara[Indicating that I am not against Minato].
Then you will say he can't defeat so6p. But I didn't consider him as a ninja since he is a god like character.

Amatarsu= space time barrier or since he cant control ammy properly raw speed evades
Totsuka= minato blitzes past it
Genjutsu= with knowledge he wouldnt look into eyes so it reallly depends, if gen could work obito would have used it on minato that time so idunoo
Minatospeed>>>>>itachis speed

Battle goes to Minato if you want me to explain how then fine

 

[Takos]

Considering what Itachi stated at that time (that even more back up wouldnt change the outcome of fight) its clear that he was talking bs.

Kind of true, but when we're on it, Itachi can defeat only base Jirayia, I don't see him overpowering SM Jirayia.

 

[Turson]

Kind of true, but when we're on it, Itachi can defeat only base Jirayia, I don't see him overpowering SM Jirayia.

Jiraiya would be only able to defeat Itachi if he starts in SM, otherwise hes toasted. Moreover, even with SM Amaterasu would be deadly for Jiraiya.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Jiraiya would be only able to defeat Itachi if he starts in SM, otherwise hes toasted. Moreover, even with SM Amaterasu would be deadly for Jiraiya.

Ammy isn't instant remember, i havent seen ammy go airborn BUT in saying that it would be a pesky jutsu to avoid

 

[TurrinB]

Rikudo >>>>>>>> Itachi so nope

 

[Turson]

Ammy isn't instant remember, i havent seen ammy go airborn BUT in saying that it would be a pesky jutsu to avoid

In order to dodge Amaterasu one has to be fast enough to fool Sharingan eyesight, since Amaterasu appears on spot where the eyesight is focused. Sasuke was able to keep up with V1 A, I dont see SM Jiraiya being faster than that or being as fast as V2 A, who actually fooled Sasukes eyes. Moreover, Jiraiya, unlike perfect SM users doesnt posses sensing abilities.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

i hope its sarcasm?

No i agree he solod Nagato in one move without help

 

[TheTailedSage]

In order to dodge Amaterasu one has to be fast enough to fool Sharingan eyesight, since Amaterasu appears on spot where the eyesight is focused. Sasuke was able to keep up with V1 A, I dont see SM Jiraiya being faster than that or being as fast as V2 A, who actually fooled Sasukes eyes. Moreover, Jiraiya, unlike perfect SM users doesnt posses sensing abilities.

V1 and V2 are on a completely diff scale in terms of controling it, ifit was that simple for tiachi to conntrol he would never miss and its stated Sasukes ( V2) is much more developed and he has better control, so in saying this it goes where ever user tells it but not instantly and V1 aint following you everywhere its angles are wrong where as V2 follows u ANYWHERE , i see your point though however when sasuek was dodging the ammy he was just running away from it normally jiraiya is guna speed himself up. so fooling them isn't entirely necassary

 

[Turson]

however when sasuek was dodging the ammy he was just running away from it normally jiraiya is guna speed himself up. so fooling them isn't entirely necassary

Actually, Sasuke was escaping from Itachis eyesight. As fast as Itachi "catched" Sasuke with his eyes younger bro started to burn. I may seem that Itachi was struggling, but there are reasons for it:
1. He was nearly blind.
2. He had to be careful, he dint want to kill Sasuke after all.
3. Sasuke has one of best Shunshins out there.

its stated Sasukes ( V2) is much more developed and he has better control

Its true, but its just that Sasuke can give shape to Amaterasu, otherwise its the same technique.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Actually, Sasuke was escaping from Itachis eyesight. As fast as Itachi "catched" Sasuke with his eyes younger bro started to burn. I may seem that Itachi was struggling, but there are reasons for it:
1. He was nearly blind.
2. He had to be careful, he dint want to kill Sasuke after all.
3. Sasuke has one of best Shunshins out there.

Its true, but its just that Sasuke can give shape to Amaterasu, otherwise its the same technique.

Naa the ammy got him but sasuke used white snake shed skin to get out of it, but the fight would have been so much harder with itachi at his best, true the objective was to test and imporve sasuke.

Yeah that and better persistance of the ammy but yeah ammy is a pesky jutsu (nice debating with somenoe who can fianlly counter my comments properly XD

 

[3MESSIAH]

dont agree with the title but i do agree with itachi>minato

 

[TheTailedSage]

dont agree with the title but i do agree with itachi>minato

How so?