Is Sasuke really this naive?

[hisou]

Of course it does, look at Madara's and Obito's state of minds... Both were naturally raving psychotics deep down. Also, he can be self assured to not make mistakes, but the fact is: he has no room to talk. Naruto is the only one who can boast this.
He wasn't specific, so unless he specifies, he is blaming them all.

LOL, wuut?

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I agree with ya KH. These guys are putting unnecessary blame on the Kages. I wonder if they are the same people who say video games indirectly lead to gun violence in youth....

That, my friend, has nothing to do with fictional characters and other bullsh*t created in the fictive world.
I'm talking, and so were you, about real people/individuals.. Violent games indirectly causing violence in real life etc..

That's why I contradicted you with your comparison being completely off-topic.

Because, undiscrete, violent, over the top, unhumane games could effect the psychological state of mind of children/adults. That along with the environment they grew up in.
It all depends on how deep the hole is, which can have consequences etc..

Anyway, that issue put aside:

"Both were naturally raving psychotics deep down"
--> nope, the system created them as such.. not the pure born nature of the character.

" Also, he can be self assured to not make mistakes, but the fact is: he has no room to talk."
--> Surely, he has room to talk.. it's his vision and opinion about a certain prospect. Which he now turned it as his ultimate goal.

 

[hisou]

Guess you didn't read my last post then....

he probably didn't

 

[Avinash012]

Madara chose evil over good after he witnessed tobiramam still being a jerk and already foresaw the outcome

Ur sayng being feared by someone would make u evil, if so Naruto & his fellow jinchuriki's would be Main viln's of the series......

 

[KingHashirama]

Bro, did you not read what I posted first? Did you not see the definition of INDIRECT? When did I blame the Kages? Why are you being so one track minded? I said they played apart regardless if you wanna believe or not it's manga facts

Hashi: Stop being redundant, regardless if he was fooled or not, as the Hokage, he didn't dispose of Madara, which is why this war exists in the first place. If you're gonna say Hiruzen didn't do his job and blame him, the same can be said for Hashi, point blank

Minato: Rin was a factor, he didn't save Obito, which led him to Madara, yes, he did indirectly play a part

Definition of indirect:
1. Diverging from a direct course; roundabout.
2.
a. Not proceeding straight to the point or object.
b. Not forthright and candid; devious.
3. Not directly planned for; secondary: indirect benefits.
4. Reporting the exact or approximate words of another with such changes as are necessary to bring the original statement into grammatical conformity with the sentence in which it is included: indirect discourse.
5. Logic Involving, relating to, or being the proof of a statement by the demonstration of the impossibility or absurdity of the statement's negation.
6. Sports Being a free kick in soccer by which a goal cannot be scored without the ball being touched by a second player.


I'm assuming that your going with the bold defintion..

The fact that Hashirama did believe he disposed Madara..( he freaking clrealy stated it)..... makes your point irrelevent. Madara escaping his own death, has nothin to do with Hashirama not killing him.

And the fact that your comparing Hiruzen... the guy who didn't do crap and let Neji's dad be taken, and let the Uchiha be killed.. shows that he is DIRECTLY to blame.

Hashirama took care of Madara, he is not responsible for Madara's actions. How many times did Hashirama tell Madara to be on his side? plenty of times.


Hiruzen was the Hokage where his own people were being segregated lmao.. who do you expect me to blame? Was hiruzen blind?



Minato wasn't responsible for Rin's death...Rin was. Did Minato and Kakashi knew she was going to kill herself? no. So why are you making a point that has nothing to do with Minato..


Even if your claiming its indirectly.. your putting it as directly.

Now you've just used a slippery slope fallacy instead of debunking what i've said. Hashirama is directly to blame for Madara being here and causing the Juubi's revival. It doesn't matter how sure he thought Madara was dead, he was incorrect and did not kill Madara. So he's to blame, making Sasuke correct.

There's nothing wrong with Hashirama making a mistake, it's better. Perfect characters aren't as likeable as slightly flawed ones as you can relate more with the latter.

I did de-bunk it but your still spouting the same old thing that you've been saying in your first post. Obito is the one who cause the Juubi's revival.....So I assume Osama Bin Laden's parents are at fault for what he did? I assume Madara's parents are at fault for what he is doing?

Read the circled in red , before saying " He didn't kill him".... He checked and was certain he killed him. And Madara himself said that he ESCAPED death, meaning there was something else that Helped Madara, otherwise he would've been dead.

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And You still haven't answered my question about the SO6P... with your logic he is the main villain..

 

[HadouKage]

Definition of indirect:
1. Diverging from a direct course; roundabout.
2.
a. Not proceeding straight to the point or object.
b. Not forthright and candid; devious.
3. Not directly planned for; secondary: indirect benefits.
4. Reporting the exact or approximate words of another with such changes as are necessary to bring the original statement into grammatical conformity with the sentence in which it is included: indirect discourse.
5. Logic Involving, relating to, or being the proof of a statement by the demonstration of the impossibility or absurdity of the statement's negation.
6. Sports Being a free kick in soccer by which a goal cannot be scored without the ball being touched by a second player.


I'm assuming that your going with the bold defintion..

The fact that Hashirama did believe he disposed Madara..( he freaking clrealy stated it)..... makes your point irrelevent. Madara escaping his own death, has nothin to do with Hashirama not killing him.

And the fact that your comparing Hiruzen... the guy who didn't do crap and let Neji's dad be taken, and let the Uchiha be killed.. shows that he is DIRECTLY to blame.

Hashirama took care of Madara, he is not responsible for Madara's actions. How many times did Hashirama tell Madara to be on his side? plenty of times.


Hiruzen was the Hokage where his own people were being segregated lmao.. who do you expect me to blame? Was hiruzen blind?



Minato wasn't responsible for Rin's death...Rin was. Did Minato and Kakashi knew she was going to kill herself? no. So why are you making a point that has nothing to do with Minato..


Even if your claiming its indirectly.. your putting it as directly.

1. Whether he believed he did it or not, Madara is back and caused so many casualties in this war. Hashi did not kill Madara, therefore can be blamed for this.

2. Again with the character bias. Didn't Hiruzen try not to protect Kohona? Weren't the Uchiha planning a coup? Ok then, what was the best thing to do? Protect the village and maintain order

3. If Hashi took care of Madz, what's he doing revived on the battlefield with the Juubi?

4. It was done under the orders of his predecessor to maintain peace, or did you forget your lords whole ideal(s) already? :|

5. Again Indirectly, I'm not addressing Minato's case anymore

 

[hisou]

Definition of indirect:
1. Diverging from a direct course; roundabout.
2.
a. Not proceeding straight to the point or object.
b. Not forthright and candid; devious.
3. Not directly planned for; secondary: indirect benefits.
4. Reporting the exact or approximate words of another with such changes as are necessary to bring the original statement into grammatical conformity with the sentence in which it is included: indirect discourse.
5. Logic Involving, relating to, or being the proof of a statement by the demonstration of the impossibility or absurdity of the statement's negation.
6. Sports Being a free kick in soccer by which a goal cannot be scored without the ball being touched by a second player.


I'm assuming that your going with the bold defintion..

The fact that Hashirama did believe he disposed Madara..( he freaking clrealy stated it)..... makes your point irrelevent. Madara escaping his own death, has nothin to do with Hashirama not killing him.

And the fact that your comparing Hiruzen... the guy who didn't do crap and let Neji's dad be taken, and let the Uchiha be killed.. shows that he is DIRECTLY to blame.

Hashirama took care of Madara, he is not responsible for Madara's actions. How many times did Hashirama tell Madara to be on his side? plenty of times.


Hiruzen was the Hokage where his own people were being segregated lmao.. who do you expect me to blame? Was hiruzen blind?



Minato wasn't responsible for Rin's death...Rin was. Did Minato and Kakashi knew she was going to kill herself? no. So why are you making a point that has nothing to do with Minato..


Even if your claiming its indirectly.. your putting it as directly.



I did de-bunk it but your still spouting the same old thing that you've been saying in your first post. Obito is the one who cause the Juubi's revival.....So I assume Osama Bin Laden's parents are at fault for what he did? I assume Madara's parents are at fault for what he is doing?

Read the circled in red , before saying " He didn't kill him".... He checked and was certain he killed him. And Madara himself said that he ESCAPED death, meaning there was something else that Helped Madara, otherwise he would've been dead.

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And You still haven't answered my question about the SO6P... with your logic he is the main villain..

It's not the fact that he believed he got disposed of Madara. BUT it's the fact that he actually didn't.. that's why "INDIRECT". Which makes his point relevant.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. Whether he believed he did it or not, Madara is back and caused so many casualties in this war. Hashi did not kill Madara, therefore can be blamed for this.

2. Again with the character bias. Didn't Hiruzen try not to protect Kohona? Weren't the Uchiha planning a coup? Ok then, what was the best thing to do? Protect the village and maintain order

3. If Hashi took care of Madz, what's he doing revived on the battlefield with the Juubi?

4. It was done under the orders of his predecessor to maintain peace, or did you forget your lords whole ideal(s) already? :|

5. Again Indirectly, I'm not addressing Minato's case anymore

1. Madara is back because he is STRONG...... this what your not understanding.. I suppose your parents are indirectly responsible for your actions? no..... you make your own choices....

2. Why were the Uchiha planning a coup? Oh yea because they were one of the founders yet treated as second class citizens.... Go wonder

3. If Madara had listened to Hashirama, there would be non of this BS.. The fact that Madara is a only back due to Kabuto makes your whole point worthless....


4. My "lord's" idea is that he won't forgive anyone who tries to harm the villages harmony..... Never knew getting your rights was attacking the village.... My "lord" also said not to segregate the Uchiha clan..... but was my "lord's" wishes followed ? no.

5. Indirectly, SO6P is the main villain....

It's not the fact that he believed he got disposed of Madara. BUT it's the fact that he actually didn't.. that's why "INDIRECT". Which makes his point relevant.

So how exactly is it his fault? ITS A FACT THAT MADARA ESCAPED HIS DEATH, WHILE EVERYONE BELIEVED HE DIED.... So your mother and father are to blame indirectly if you kill someone? no.

 

[HadouKage]

1. Madara is back because he is STRONG...... this what your not understanding.. I suppose your parents are indirectly responsible for your actions? no..... you make your own choices....

2. Why were the Uchiha planning a coup? Oh yea because they were one of the founders yet treated as second class citizens.... Go wonder

3. If Madara had listened to Hashirama, there would be non of this BS.. The fact that Madara is a only back due to Kabuto makes your whole point worthless....


4. My "lord's" idea is that he won't forgive anyone who tries to harm the villages harmony..... Never knew getting your rights was attacking the village.... My "lord" also said not to segregate the Uchiha clan..... but was my "lord's" wishes followed ? no.

5. Indirectly, SO6P is the main villain....

1. I'm well aware of Madz strength, but what you're not understanding that Hashi didn't kill Madara therefore Madara has caused the Juubi to revive and caused many casualties (indirect)

2. So? What does that have to do with anything? Regardless Hiruzen did what Hashi would have done and that is protect the village, he did what he had to do. It was not Hiruzen that banished them to the outskirts but Tobria. Hiruzen was trying to keep what Hashi had live for, the protection of the village

3. ??? It doesn't in the slightest because he had time to plan for the infinite tsukuyomi plus becoming the Juubi's Jin. He's back, regardless of who brought him back, he's back and trying to cast an infinite Tsukuyomi. You stated Hashi took care of Madz, which is fallacious because he is here now, in these current chapters, with alot of dead shinobi

4. And too protect the village at all cause. Hiruzen was doing just that, yet you blame him for what he thought Tobria would have kept the peace in the village. Besides, did you not miss the whole explaination of how the MS is obtained?

5. How has SO6P indirectly responsible for anything? Because he had his children? Please go somewhere with the logic

 

[BlackBison]

The fault is on the hokages minus Tsunade since she has nothing to do with the uchiha or the war since she recently became hokage.

Hashirama- created a faulted system and did not finish off madara

Tobirama- drove madara to who he is now and caused the hatred in the uchihas

Hiruzen- kept someone like danzo who later created caused kabuto to turn out the way he is and couldn't stop the coup

Minato- In plain sense obito. Yes, kakashi was in charge but minato is in charge of kakashi which makes him at fault by default(in truth he is kind of responsible the war not uchiha)

Sasuke wants to write the mistakes that created him and started this war.

 

[Orochimagus]

Um, do you read the manga? All the four Hokages made some critical mistakes and even they themselves accepted blame from them.
Hashirama created the current way of the ninja: The mentality that you should keep the stability of the village at any cost including killing your own family. Itachi inherited this and killed his clan to protect the village.

Tobirama's methods are considered a bit too stern which caused the Uchiha to eventually rebel.

Hiruzen was too complacent. He gave Danzo free reign because he could not take the tough decisions himself.

Minato was too failure. He failed to keep with people's expectations and had the shortest Hokage reign. Had he stayed alive he could have done something about the Uchiha because Danzo would not have had free reign. He ended up dying from facing his own student one year after he was crushed.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. I'm well aware of Madz strength, but what you're not understanding that Hashi didn't kill Madara therefore Madara has caused the Juubi to revive and caused many casualties (indirect)

2. So? What does that have to do with anything? Regardless Hiruzen did what Hashi would have done and that is protect the village, he did what he had to do. It was not Hiruzen that banished them to the outskirts but Tobria. Hiruzen was trying to keep what Hashi had live for, the protection of the village

3. ??? It doesn't in the slightest because he had time to plan for the infinite tsukuyomi plus becoming the Juubi's Jin. He's back, regardless of who brought him back, he's back and trying to cast an infinite Tsukuyomi. You stated Hashi took care of Madz, which is fallacious because he is here now, in these current chapters, with alot of dead shinobi

4. And too protect the village at all cause. Hiruzen was doing just that, yet you blame him for what he thought Tobria would have kept the peace in the village. Besides, did you not miss the whole explaination of how the MS is obtained?

5. How has SO6P indirectly responsible for anything? Because he had his children? Please go somewhere with the logic

1. THat is why it is not Hashirama's fault. For it be his fault even indirectly he would've to know about Madara's secret.
And wasn't it Obito who revived the Juubi ..

2. Hashirama would've never segregated them.. And if Hiruzen was trying to follow what Hashirama stood for.. he would've never gave away Neji's dad.... comparing other Hokage's or any other Kages to Hashirama in terms of who was the better one is a flaw.

3. And how is Madara escaping death Hashirama's fault? Even indirectly... you still have no stated anything about this.... And hence why your whole logic isn't making any sense..

4. MS is triggered by Rage.. nothing else.. Itachi has MS, Shusui had MS.. i don't see your point here. The fact that Fugaku and etc respected Hiruzen makes your point of Uchiha were at blame point irrelevent..... Tobirama's action were opposite of what Hashirama told him to do.....

5. So Hashirama is responsible for someone else's actions but SO6P isn't.. yea you sure make logical points..

 

[HadouKage]

1. THat is why it is not Hashirama's fault. For it be his fault even indirectly he would've to know about Madara's secret.
And wasn't it Obito who revived the Juubi ..

2. Hashirama would've never segregated them.. And if Hiruzen was trying to follow what Hashirama stood for.. he would've never gave away Neji's dad.... comparing other Hokage's or any other Kages to Hashirama in terms of who was the better one is a flaw.

3. And how is Madara escaping death Hashirama's fault? Even indirectly... you still have no stated anything about this.... And hence why your whole logic isn't making any sense..

4. MS is triggered by Rage.. nothing else.. Itachi has MS, Shusui had MS.. i don't see your point here. The fact that Fugaku and etc respected Hiruzen makes your point of Uchiha were at blame point irrelevent..... Tobirama's action were opposite of what Hashirama told him to do.....

5. So Hashirama is responsible for someone else's actions but SO6P isn't.. yea you sure make logical points..

Reply later. Have to work

 

[hisou]

So how exactly is it his fault? ITS A FACT THAT MADARA ESCAPED HIS DEATH, WHILE EVERYONE BELIEVED HE DIED.... So your mother and father are to blame indirectly if you kill someone? no.

Haha! And it's also a fact Hashirama didn't finish the job! Otherwise, this all wouldn't have happened!

"So your mother and father are to blame indirectly if you kill someone?"
If the cause of killin a person is due to nurture, raising, upbringing ? INDIRECTLY, they are to blame!


:x3:

 

[KingHashirama]

Reply later. Have to work

Take your time bro !

Haha! And it's also a FACT Hashirama didn't finish the job! Otherwise, this all wouldn't have happened!

"So your mother and father are to blame indirectly if you kill someone?"

If the cause of killin a person is due to nurture, raising, upbringing ? INDIRECTLY, they are to blame!


:x3:

Bad response to my question..... Hashirama "raised" and did everything right and tried to turn Madara good....

But your saying its Hashirama's fault that Madara somehow escaped death.. even though we don't know if he had help or anything. So how is it your parent's fault even if they bring you up right.. but you just act like a criminal.... That is the same way with Hashirama.


If Hashirama takes "indirect" blame for Madara's revival, then SO6P takes the blame for his older son starting the curse of hatred.

 

[Wannabebetter]

My reply to : Is Sasuke really this naïve?

I don't know anymore.. I regret having read the chapter T_T it ruined my day..
Sasuke's words : "And, I will become Hokage" were head on stupid/kiddish/silly.. etc! It's like Kishi has killed Sasuke while keeping him alive -________-
In brief, this was my reaction to those lines minutes ago..

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[hisou]

Bad response to my question..... Hashirama "raised" and did everything right and tried to turn Madara good....

But your saying its Hashirama's fault that Madara somehow escaped death.. even though we don't know if he had help or anything. So how is it your parent's fault even if they bring you up right.. but you just act like a criminal.... That is the same way with Hashirama.


If Hashirama takes "indirect" blame for Madara's revival, then SO6P takes the blame for his older son starting the curse of hatred.

LOL, bad reply to your own DAMN question, pal! Look, you clearly mix the fictive world with the real one.
You pose this question: "So your mother and father are to blame indirectly if you kill someone?"
You purposely point this question to me!

Now let's clear things up: Are you asking this as in our real life or fictive (manga)?

--> If the fictive, then what the hell are we discussing because it doesn't make sense. Fictive stays fictive, can be turned any time of day into something different.

--> If the real life, then: "if the cause of killin a person is due to nurture, raising, upbringing ? INDIRECTLY, they are to blame!"


Lemme ask you this: Since when does 1 friend/acquaintance have the power to turn someone into a "good" person (which is a relative term), knowing you live, in this case Madara, in the Uchiha environment where they are branded with a curse since their "nurture, raising, upbringing" which was instilled by their parents?

But this isn't the only reason, past actions like Izuna's death, Tobira. etc..; have also assisted Madara's hatred with more hate. But you are mistaking Hashi's role with Madara's parents which is completely wrong!
For this Hashi is not to be blamed for. Period.

Although, as you mentioned, IT IS Hashi's mistake Madara escaped, because he didn't finish the job. (knowingly or not, he should have done it more thoroughly!)

And to continue, the rivival of Madara was the consequence of Hashirama's mistake. Because, Madara, for some reason, survived the battle, which means Hashi failed and therefore unwillingly let Madara slip through his fingers and let him see the living daylight till his old days. During that time, Madara took his precious time to wander around and give rise to TOBI etc...


Phew..

 

[KingHashirama]

LOL, bad reply to your own DAMN question, pal! Look, you clearly mix the fictive world with the real one.
You pose this question: "So your mother and father are to blame indirectly if you kill someone?"
You purposely point this question to me!

Now let's clear things up: Are you asking this as in our real life or fictive (manga)?

--> If the fictive, then what the hell are we discussing because it doesn't make sense. Fictive stays fictive, can be turned any time of day into something different.

--> If the real life, then: "if the cause of killin a person is due to nurture, raising, upbringing ? INDIRECTLY, they are to blame!"


Lemme ask you this: Since when does 1 friend/acquaintance have the power to turn someone into a "good" person (which is a relative term), knowing you live, in this case Madara, in the Uchiha environment where they are branded with a curse since their "nurture, raising, upbringing" which was instilled by their parents?

But this isn't the only reason, past actions like Izuna's death, Tobira. etc..; have also assisted Madara's hatred with more hate. But you are mistaking Hashi's role with Madara's parents which is completely wrong!
For this Hashi is not to be blamed for. Period.

Although, as you mentioned, IT IS Hashi's mistake Madara escaped, because he didn't finish the job. (knowingly or not, he should have done it more thoroughly!)

And to continue, the rivival of Madara was the consequence of Hashirama's mistake. Because, Madara, for some reason, survived the battle, which means Hashi failed and therefore unwillingly let Madara slip through his fingers and let him see the living daylight till his old days. During that time, Madara took his precious time to wander around and give rise to TOBI etc...


Phew..

So it is Hashirama's mistake that Madara has a "plan" to escape his death? Hashirama takes the blame for stuff he didn't know?

Mate your whole argument flawed,... since you blame someone for other's actions.. who they had no control over..

And the parent thing does make sense lmaoo. And what is the difference between fictive world and the real world, in regards to blame? lmao.


Definition of Mistake :

An action or judgment that is misguided or wrong


Hashirama's judgement was that he killed Madara, but Madara had a plan that Hashirama did not know about.. lol. This is what your not understanding...

 

[hisou]

So it is Hashirama's mistake that Madara has a "plan" to escape his death? Hashirama takes the blame for stuff he didn't know?

Mate your whole argument flawed,... since you blame someone for other's actions.. who they had no control over..

And the parent thing does make sense lmaoo. And what is the difference between fictive world and the real world, in regards to blame? lmao.


Definition of Mistake :

An action or judgment that is misguided or wrong


Hashirama's judgement was that he killed Madara, but Madara had a plan that Hashirama did not know about.. lol. This is what your not understanding...

bro? wuuut?

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Seriously, If you're sooo damn stuborn or naive or darn thick headed, i don't know. But don't you see the trail? The logic behind this? Try and get this through your thick skull:
Hashi DIDN'T succeed in killing Madara which has led to all of this.. <--- THAT'S why I'm blaming Hashi! Because he didn't do the job thoroughly!

Get it?!
Who gives a damn what Madara's actions/plannings were at that time etc... the fact is and remains: Hashi didn't kill Madara! And again, I'm NOT blaming Hashi for Madara's action. I'm blaming him for not succeeding in killing Madara.

"And the parent thing does make sense lmaoo. And what is the difference between fictive world and the real world, in regards to blame? lmao."
What's your point here? Since you only use prescribed definitions of words from online resources, I can't really tell if you understand it or not, because you can't even explain it with your own words.. hmm

 

[apsri]

1. Whether he believed he did it or not, Madara is back and caused so many casualties in this war. Hashi did not kill Madara, therefore can be blamed for this.

2. Again with the character bias. Didn't Hiruzen try not to protect Kohona? Weren't the Uchiha planning a coup? Ok then, what was the best thing to do? Protect the village and maintain order

3. If Hashi took care of Madz, what's he doing revived on the battlefield with the Juubi?

4. It was done under the orders of his predecessor to maintain peace, or did you forget your lords whole ideal(s) already? :|

5. Again Indirectly, I'm not addressing Minato's case anymore

1. Hashirama gave Madara one chance. He blew it, and did everything in his power to kill him. He didn't do a half bad job either, considering how Madara laid low after his battle at VoTE. Hashirama took responsibility for his decision to spare Madara at the end of the era of warring states. The fact that Madara managed to escape, does not make Hashirama responsible, even indirectly, for his actions. He did everything in his power to prevent Madara from causing any harm.

If this would have happened following his battle with Madara during the era of warring states, then it would be his fault, indirectly, because he spared him. This was not the case at VoTE.

2. It's not bias. The Uchiha Clan Massacre is on Hiruzen's head. Tobirama started it, but nothing can excuse the systematic killing of every man, woman and child of the Uchiha clan (with the exception of Sasuke, who was only spared because Itachi flat out refused the mission if Sasuke was not spared). Yes, he tried to negotiate, but then he ordered genocide.

3. Wow, um, well, to begin with, Madara is in an Edo, so he was actually dead, even if he did die decades after VoTE rather than at VoTE.

 

[TrollingSage]

bro? wuuut?

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Seriously, If you're sooo damn stuborn or naive or darn thick headed, i don't know. But don't you see the trail? The logic behind this? Try and get this through your thick skull:
Hashi DIDN'T succeed in killing Madara which has led to all of this.. <--- THAT'S why I'm blaming Hashi! Because he didn't do the job thoroughly!

Get it?!
Who gives a damn what Madara's actions/plannings were at that time etc... THE fact is and remains: Hashi didn't kill Madara! And again, I'm not blaming Hashi for Madara's action. I'm blaming him for not succeeding in killing Madara.

"And the parent thing does make sense lmaoo. And what is the difference between fictive world and the real world, in regards to blame? lmao."
What's your point here? Since you only use prescribed definitions of words from only resources, I can't really tell if you understand it or not because you can't even explain it with your own words.. hmm

That's completely illogical. He tried his best. It's not his fault Madara had an escape plan.