Is Sasuke really this naive?

[dvmaz]

Ok this is how it is going to end:

Sasuke says he is going to be Hokage
The Elders, Jounin, Chuunin and the villagers say NO
They promote Naruto to Hokage instead
Sasuke gets pissed off and says he will take over the village by force
Naruto tries to TnJ Sasuke, but no progress is made
Naruto fights Sasuke to stop his Coup
They either:
1) Both die (readers get pissed)
2) Naruto wins and Sasuke dies (Readers get pissed)
3) Sasuke wins and Naruto dies and Sasuke becomes Hokage (readers gets really pissed)

 

[Lightbringer]

No but he could be the seed to repopulate the tree of Uchiha though. Since there are 3 left and the Sharigan is passed down, he could start to create a group of mixed Uchiha

3 left? Madara doesn't count and Obito isn't going to turn good

Him being the only seed would make the Uchiha bloodline die out eventually from future mixed bloodlines of his children

 

[HadouKage]

3 left? Madara doesn't count and Obito isn't going to turn good

Him being the only seed would make the Uchiha bloodline die out eventually from future mixed bloodlines of his children

You never know bro, Obito can get some

 

[KingHashirama]

I actually disagree, in some shape or form they all played a part as Sasuke has stated whether directly or indirectly

Hashi - Fought Madara and caused him to become what he is now
Tobria - Drove Madara out of exile and labeled the Uchiha as a threat, not only that, banished them to the outskirts
Hiruzen - Had some responsibility in the coup, made Oro who is today
Minato - Caused Obito to become what he is today because of the lack of protection for Rin

Don't think he's blaming them, but just saying their actions played a part

Hashirama - Wanted Madara to be his friend, and run the village with him.. hell he even wanted Madara to be the Hokage.... Don't blame Madara's butthurtness on Hashirama.

Tobirama - Madara drove himself out of Exile, because he couldn't accept Tobirama becoming the Hokage... And I do agree on the Uchiha part, Tobirama screwed up big time (He is at blame)

Hiruzen- Didn't do shit about Danzo and the coup (He is at blame

Minato - Protected his village.. Minato isn't a almight god who needs to be there to protect every single person, the fact that he trust them was enough. It was Obito's foolishness that led him to be the way he is. He could've gotten Madara on his side and became good again. Minato is at 0 Fault

Soo out of these 4 only the second and third can be blamed..... Hence why Sasuke is too much of a Itachi wanker, that he can't see the realty of the situation.

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So, yes.. he's partially blaming them. But therefore not naive..
Seriously, you guys should read the more accurate version of this manga.. Not that Mangapanda crap translation

You should reread the scan you posted.. he completely put the blame on the Hokage..

He's thinking about Itachi too. The third was involved in the massacre. Minato on the other hand...can't think of what he would blame him for.

Him thinking about Itachi annoys me the most. Hes making Itachi into a "goody goody" like he was some innocent savior or w.e . Tobirama segregated the Uchiha.... The Third was in the genocide.... So how in the hell are Tsunade/Minato/Hashirama at blame lmaoo.

The 4 Hokages are all partially to blame, there's nothing wrong with Sasuke's comment Hashirama failed to kill Madara, Tobirama and Hiruzen for the mess with the Uchiha clan and Minato for failing to stop Obito properly.

Hashirama = The only reason there was peace. Sasuke is the same as Madara , not giving a crap about how the others feel, only what his beloved brother felt was the right thing to do.

The fact that Hashirama's plan of not seperating the Uchiha wasn't followed by the second.. doesn't put Hashirama at blame. Madara escaped Death...its not Hashirama's fault Madara is a maniac.

 

[Midday]

Hashirama = The only reason there was peace. Sasuke is the same as Madara , not giving a crap about how the others feel, only what his beloved brother felt was the right thing to do.

The fact that Hashirama's plan of not seperating the Uchiha wasn't followed by the second.. doesn't put Hashirama at blame. Madara escaped Death...its not Hashirama's fault Madara is a maniac.

His peace is very debatable, it didn't achieve too much. It lead to the same thing but on a larger scale. Instead of just clans warring we now have nations warring with each other.

It also doesn't change that he screwed up and failed to kill Madara. Sasuke is justified in blaming each of them for their partial responsibility leading to this current situation.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

He's thinking about Itachi too. The third was involved in the massacre. Minato on the other hand...can't think of what he would blame him for.

based on the manga has to do with the uchiha clan i guess minato stated that he should have tried to talk things with them

 

[Avinash012]

I actually disagree, in some shape or form they all played a part as Sasuke has stated whether directly or indirectly

Hashi - Fought Madara and caused him to become what he is now
Tobria - Drove Madara out of exile and labeled the Uchiha as a threat, not only that, banished them to the outskirts
Hiruzen - Had some responsibility in the coup, made Oro who is today
Minato - Caused Obito to become what he is today because of the lack of protection for Rin

Don't think he's blaming them, but just saying their actions played a part

I disagree with u frnd Hashi tried alot to change,he even requested Madara to became Hokage,he considered Madara like his own brother,Madara still he choose evil over good,,,Tobirama after seeng wat Madara did he just want to made sure that no other uchiha wil became like that,,if Sarutobi didn't decided to like that then Sasuke alonge with his entire clan would be killed by Konaha shinobi or the entire village wil be destroyed by other countries,in Minato's case ur expecting a hokage to go alonge with all shinobi to complete thire missione and save them witout geting killed by enmy's.......

 

[HadouKage]

Hashirama - Wanted Madara to be his friend, and run the village with him.. hell he even wanted Madara to be the Hokage.... Don't blame Madara's butthurtness on Hashirama.

Tobirama - Madara drove himself out of Exile, because he couldn't accept Tobirama becoming the Hokage... And I do agree on the Uchiha part, Tobirama screwed up big time (He is at blame)

Hiruzen- Didn't do shit about Danzo and the coup (He is at blame

Minato - Protected his village.. Minato isn't a almight god who needs to be there to protect every single person, the fact that he trust them was enough. It was Obito's foolishness that led him to be the way he is. He could've gotten Madara on his side and became good again. Minato is at 0 Fault

Soo out of these 4 only the second and third can be blamed..... Hence why Sasuke is too much of a Itachi wanker, that he can't see the realty of the situation.

I mean I thought I did state that they all INDIRECTLY played a part as well.

Hashi = If Madara was killed, then he wouldn't be here and there wouldn't be a war, their views were different after Tobria was the reason Madara exiled.

Minato = Again, not blaming Minato however, if Rin was saved/not caught and Obito, then chances are he wouldn't have went through with Madara's plan

 

[KingHashirama]

His peace is very debatable, it didn't achieve too much. It lead to the same thing but on a larger scale. Instead of just clans warring we now have nations warring with each other.

It also doesn't change that he screwed up and failed to kill Madara. Sasuke is justified in blaming each of them for their partial responsibility leading to this current situation.

Hold up, he makes Peace, that increased the normal life span of a shinobi.. He makes peace that ended the warring-states period.

Now your post makes you look naive just like Sasuke..... The fact that you choose to put other people's actions as someone else's fault, doesn't really prove how Sasuke isn't naive.. lmao.

"His peace can be debated"... uh no it can't be debated. He made temporary peace, as long as Hashirama was alive.. your blaming the actions of the idiots who went power hungry JUST LIKE MADARA on Hashirama... really? That is really naive mate.

Sasuke is in no position to be blaming others when he caused most of the BS to Naruto.

Hashirama believed he killed him..... Madara however escaped DEATH.... not Hashirama's fault that he escaped Death. Hashirama isn't a god.

And if your blaming Hashirama, then might as well call the SO6P the worst criminal of all time.

I mean I thought I did state that they all INDIRECTLY played a part as well.

Hashi = If Madara was killed, then he wouldn't be here and there wouldn't be a war, their views were different after Tobria was the reason Madara exiled.

Minato = Again, not blaming Minato however, if Rin was saved/not caught and Obito, then chances are he wouldn't have went through with Madara's plan

Hashirama - ok why are you blaming Madara escaping his own death.. on Hashirama? Was it Kakashi's fault for not stopping Sasuke? no....

Minato - Minato was busy saving the lifes of others.. Obito already knew Rin chose her own death.. that fact that he was still butthurt about it makes it his own fault.

The reason why i'm calling Sasuke naive is because he seems to think a mass murderer, a person who helped the Akatsuki (Obito) is better then Hashirama and Minato and Tsunade.

You cannot blame someone else's actions on someone else..

 

[Thundercles]

This guy blames all the 4 Hokages.. for something that only 2 of the 5 Hokages are responsible for...... I swear, he is starting to sound like a naive child...

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Agreed, he is delusional. Becoming Kage? No. Also, if it did happen then Kishi would be the greatest troll in history.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

I disagree with u frnd Hashi tried alot to change,he even requested Madara to became Hokage,he considered Madara like his own brother,Madara still he choose evil over good,,,Tobirama after seeng wat Madara did he just want to made sure that no other uchiha wil became like that,,if Sarutobi didn't decided to like that then Sasuke alonge with his entire clan would be killed by Konaha shinobi or the entire village wil be destroyed by other countries,in Minato's case ur expecting a hokage to go alonge with all shinobi to complete thire missione and save them witout geting killed by enmy's.......

Madara chose evil over good after he witnessed tobiramam still being a jerk and already foresaw the outcome

 

[HadouKage]

I disagree with u frnd Hashi tried alot to change,he even requested Madara to became Hokage,he considered Madara like his own brother,Madara still he choose evil over good,,,Tobirama after seeng wat Madara did he just want to made sure that no other uchiha wil became like that,,if Sarutobi didn't decided to like that then Sasuke alonge with his entire clan would be killed by Konaha shinobi or the entire village wil be destroyed by other countries,in Minato's case ur expecting a hokage to go alonge with all shinobi to complete thire missione and save them witout geting killed by enmy's.......

Sigh, I said indirectly

in·di·rect adjective \ˌin-də-ˈrekt, -(ˌ)dī-\

Definition of INDIRECT

: not direct: as
a (1) : deviating from a direct line or course : roundabout (2) : not going straight to the point <an indirect accusation> (3) : being or involving proof of a proposition or theorem by demonstration that its negation leads to an absurdity or contradiction
b : not straightforward and open : deceitful
c : not directly aimed at or achieved <indirect consequences>

 

[hisou]

Hashirama - Wanted Madara to be his friend, and run the village with him.. hell he even wanted Madara to be the Hokage.... Don't blame Madara's butthurtness on Hashirama.

Tobirama - Madara drove himself out of Exile, because he couldn't accept Tobirama becoming the Hokage... And I do agree on the Uchiha part, Tobirama screwed up big time (He is at blame)

Hiruzen- Didn't do shit about Danzo and the coup (He is at blame

Minato - Protected his village.. Minato isn't a almight god who needs to be there to protect every single person, the fact that he trust them was enough. It was Obito's foolishness that led him to be the way he is. He could've gotten Madara on his side and became good again. Minato is at 0 Fault

Soo out of these 4 only the second and third can be blamed..... Hence why Sasuke is too much of a Itachi wanker, that he can't see the realty of the situation.




You should reread the scan you posted.. he completely put the blame on the Hokage..


Him thinking about Itachi annoys me the most. Hes making Itachi into a "goody goody" like he was some innocent savior or w.e . Tobirama segregated the Uchiha.... The Third was in the genocide.... So how in the hell are Tsunade/Minato/Hashirama at blame lmaoo.




Hashirama = The only reason there was peace. Sasuke is the same as Madara , not giving a crap about how the others feel, only what his beloved brother felt was the right thing to do.

The fact that Hashirama's plan of not seperating the Uchiha wasn't followed by the second.. doesn't put Hashirama at blame. Madara escaped Death...its not Hashirama's fault Madara is a maniac.

Nope, not completely because Minato hadn't done anything to be blamed for.. So why would he blame Minato for? And if there is one then it will be for the fact he died. Thus, the reason i said: "partially"

 

[zachius]

I actually disagree, in some shape or form they all played a part as Sasuke has stated whether directly or indirectly

Hashi - Fought Madara and caused him to become what he is now
Tobria - Drove Madara out of exile and labeled the Uchiha as a threat, not only that, banished them to the outskirts
Hiruzen - Had some responsibility in the coup, made Oro who is today
Minato - Caused Obito to become what he is today because of the lack of protection for Rin

Don't think he's blaming them, but just saying their actions played a part

I totally agree with you

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Well Sasuke does have a point...almost all the events that are happening right now were because of the previous Hokage.

Hashiramaid'nt make sure Madara was dead and unknowningly is the reason Madara has the Rinnegan.

Tobirama:Created Edo Tensei and banished the Uchiha to the outskirts of the Leaf Village which caused the Uchiha Massacre.

Hiruzen:Let Orochimaru live and did nothing about Danzo who ordered the deaths of the Uchiha so he too played a part in the Uchiha Massacre.

The only one who had'nt royally screwed up in some form is Minato.

 

[phylos]

Do you notice now? Sasuke has always been a child who gets easily manipulated. Hell, everything he's done up to this point in the series was something someone else wanted him to. The only thing he seems to be doing on his own is actually wanting to become Hokage...

 

[KingHashirama]

Nope, not completely because Minato hadn't done anything to be blamed for.. So why would he blame Minato for? And if there is one then it will be for the fact he died. Thus, the reason i said: "partially"

If he hadn't died, Naruto wouldn't have been able to become the jinchuriki.

Madara chose evil over good after he witnessed tobiramam still being a jerk and already foresaw the outcome

So your saying Madara's vision of the future was more correct then the guy whose vision was the reason Madara was still alive?

Hashirama told Madara that if he were to stand by his side as his right arm.. he would eventually gain the support.. And that would be true. Hokage's right arm > Hokage's brother.

Well Sasuke does have a point...almost all the events that are happening right now were because of the previous Hokage.

Hashiramaid'nt make sure Madara was dead and unknowningly is the reason Madara has the Rinnegan.

Tobirama:Created Edo Tensei and banished the Uchiha to the outskirts of the Leaf Village which caused the Uchiha Massacre.

Hiruzen:Let Orochimaru live and did nothing about Danzo who ordered the deaths of the Uchiha so he too played a part in the Uchiha Massacre.

The only one who had'nt royally screwed up in some form is Minato.

SO Hashirama is at blame for someone else's actions.. The fact that Hashirama already had a plan to make sure the Uchiha didn't coup and were segregated.. totally nulifies your blame on Hashirama.. His plan was not followed puts him at blame?

 

[Thundercles]

I actually disagree, in some shape or form they all played a part as Sasuke has stated whether directly or indirectly

Hashi - Fought Madara and caused him to become what he is now
Tobria - Drove Madara out of exile and labeled the Uchiha as a threat, not only that, banished them to the outskirts
Hiruzen - Had some responsibility in the coup, made Oro who is today
Minato - Caused Obito to become what he is today because of the lack of protection for Rin

Don't think he's blaming them, but just saying their actions played a part

No. The war cause Madara to become who he is, not Hashirama.
Agreed, Tobirama didn't help.
No, he had no responsibility. Danzo and the two elders gave the word and Hiruzen did nothing but try and mentor Oro. Oro was always a latent psychotic.
No, Obito became himself through his own way. Minato had no hand in this.

 

[HadouKage]

Hold up, he makes Peace, that increased the normal life span of a shinobi.. He makes peace that ended the warring-states period.

Now your post makes you look naive just like Sasuke..... The fact that you choose to put other people's actions as someone else's fault, doesn't really prove how Sasuke isn't naive.. lmao.

"His peace can be debated"... uh no it can't be debated. He made temporary peace, as long as Hashirama was alive.. your blaming the actions of the idiots who went power hungry JUST LIKE MADARA on Hashirama... really? That is really naive mate.

Sasuke is in no position to be blaming others when he caused most of the BS to Naruto.

Hashirama believed he killed him..... Madara however escaped DEATH.... not Hashirama's fault that he escaped Death. Hashirama isn't a god.

And if your blaming Hashirama, then might as well call the SO6P the worst criminal of all time.



Hashirama - ok why are you blaming Madara escaping his own death.. on Hashirama? Was it Kakashi's fault for not stopping Sasuke? no....

Minato - Minato was busy saving the lifes of others.. Obito already knew Rin chose her own death.. that fact that he was still butthurt about it makes it his own fault.

The reason why i'm calling Sasuke naive is because he seems to think a mass murderer, a person who helped the Akatsuki (Obito) is better then Hashirama and Minato and Tsunade.

You cannot blame someone else's actions on someone else..

No. The war cause Madara to become who he is, not Hashirama.
Agreed, Tobirama didn't help.
No, he had no responsibility. Danzo and the two elders gave the word and Hiruzen did nothing but try and mentor Oro. Oro was always a latent psychotic.
No, Obito became himself through his own way. Minato had no hand in this.

in·di·rect adjective \ˌin-də-ˈrekt, -(ˌ)dī-\

Definition of INDIRECT

: not direct: as
a (1) : deviating from a direct line or course : roundabout (2) : not going straight to the point <an indirect accusation> (3) : being or involving proof of a proposition or theorem by demonstration that its negation leads to an absurdity or contradiction
b : not straightforward and open : deceitful
c : not directly aimed at or achieved <indirect consequences>

Let me try this again

Hashi: Combined with Tobria's hostility toward the Uchiha and their change in views, this caused Madara to go AWOL. Besides you blame Hiruzen for the coup but say it isn't Hashi's fault that he let Madara get away while he was hokage was ok? Oh the bias

Minato: I already know this, thats why I said indirectly

No, not at all. Sasuke isn't even smug. "Because of the Hokages...." can be interpreted in many types of ways. Sasuke has been through it all and has had experience in both the light and dark side of the ninja world and is the perfect candidate to carry on the will of fire. Naruto couldn't even kill Sasuke where as Hashi attempted to kill Madara

 

[Midday]

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Whatever makes you feel better, his peace was flawed at the end of the day. The key point is Hashirama failed to deal with Madara properly which has lead to this situation, therefore Sasuke is justified is saying the Hokages including Hashirama are partially to blame for the situation occurring now.