Is Sasuke really this naive?

[hisou]

If he hadn't died, Naruto wouldn't have been able to become the jinchuriki.

What the hell has that to do with Sasuke blaming the hokage.. jinchuriki's are needed...

 

[KingHashirama]

Whatever makes you feel better, his peace was flawed at the end of the day. The key point is Hashirama failed to deal with Madara properly which has lead to this situation, therefore Sasuke is justified is saying the Hokages including Hashirama are partially to blame for the situation occurring now.

So as point before, SO6P is the main villain am i not right? He could've killed his older son, and none of this bs would've occured no? Isn't he at blame for not dealing with the older son? Is he not at blame for creating the shinobi religion?

Hashirama did deal with Madara, to his acknowledgement he had made sure Madara was dead..... Madara however escaped death. Your blaming Hashirama for something he didn't have any control over.

Let me try this again

Hashi: Combined with Tobria's hostility toward the Uchiha and their change in views, this caused Madara to go AWOL. Besides you blame Hiruzen for the coup but say it isn't Hashi's fault that he let Madara get away while he was ok? Oh the bias

Minato: I already know this, thats why I said indirectly

No, not at all. Sasuke isn't even smug. "Because of the Hokages...." can be interpreted in many types of ways. Sasuke has been through it all and has had experience in both the light and dark side of the ninja world and is the perfect candidate to carry on the will of fire. Naruto couldn't even kill Sasuke where as Hashi attempted to kill Madara

Naruto already stated he would kills Sasuke if he messed with the village. Naruto = Hashirama there is no difference. Sasuke doesn't understand other people's feelings.. if he did he would've said sorry by now.... He really has No chance at becoming Hokage compared with Naruto.

Hashirama - He TOLD MADARA TO BE HIS RIGHT HAND!.... DO YOU NOT LISTEN OR READ BRO? HOW WAS HE SUPPOSE TO KNOW MADARA WAS GOING TO COME BACK LIKE A IDIOT AND ATTACK THE VILLAGE.... AND WHEN MADARA DID THAT HASHIRAMA KILLED HIM ..... but MADARA ESCAPED DEATH....

Minato is not even indirectly responsible for Obito's turn to the dark side. Obito's turn to the dark side is his own fault.

What the hell has that to do with Sasuke blaming the hokage.. jinchuriki's are needed...

You said Minato is at blame because he died.. I told you why he died.. point closed..

 

[hisou]

whatever makes you feel better, his peace was flawed at the end of the day. The key point is hashirama failed to deal with madara properly which has lead to this situation, therefore sasuke is justified is saying the hokages including hashirama are partially to blame for the situation occurring now.

this ^^^^^

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

If he hadn't died, Naruto wouldn't have been able to become the jinchuriki.



So your saying Madara's vision of the future was more correct then the guy whose vision was the reason Madara was still alive?

Hashirama told Madara that if he were to stand by his side as his right arm.. he would eventually gain the support.. And that would be true. Hokage's right arm > Hokage's brother.



SO Hashirama is at blame for someone else's actions.. The fact that Hashirama already had a plan to make sure the Uchiha didn't coup and were segregated.. totally nulifies your blame on Hashirama.. His plan was not followed puts him at blame?

I did'nt blame Hashirama but he should have made sure Madara was dead.When you have someone as powerful as Madara then you make sure he is'nt coming back, otherwise it will bite you in the ass in the future which is what ultimately happened.

 

[Omega]

Kages: What have you done for the village lately sasuke?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Kages: What have you done for the village lately sasuke?

Well he did kill Danzo who let the village get destroyed by Pain and he helped end Edo Tensei.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kages: What have you done for the village lately sasuke?

Made My Day =D

I did'nt blame Hashirama but he should have made sure Madara was dead.When you have someone as powerful as Madara then you make sure he is'nt coming back, otherwise it will bite you in the ass in the future which is what ultimately happened.

And who says he didn't make sure he was dead? How can you blame him for Madara's secret plan that noone else knew about..And not to forget that he warned the coming generation, by saying "Whenever you live, there will be war".

 

[Thundercles]

So as point before, SO6P is the main villain am i not right? He could've killed his older son, and none of this bs would've occured no? Isn't he at blame for not dealing with the older son? Is he not at blame for creating the shinobi religion?

Hashirama did deal with Madara, to his acknowledgement he had made sure Madara was dead..... Madara however escaped death. Your blaming Hashirama for something he didn't have any control over.



Naruto already stated he would kills Sasuke if he messed with the village. Naruto = Hashirama there is no difference. Sasuke doesn't understand other people's feelings.. if he did he would've said sorry by now.... He really has No chance at becoming Hokage compared with Naruto.

Hashirama - He TOLD MADARA TO BE HIS RIGHT HAND!.... DO YOU NOT LISTEN OR READ BRO? HOW WAS HE SUPPOSE TO KNOW MADARA WAS GOING TO COME BACK LIKE A IDIOT AND ATTACK THE VILLAGE.... AND WHEN MADARA DID THAT HASHIRAMA KILLED HIM ..... but MADARA ESCAPED DEATH....

Minato is not even indirectly responsible for Obito's turn to the dark side. Obito's turn to the dark side is his own fault.




You said Minato is at blame because he died.. I told you why he died.. point closed..

I agree with ya KH. These guys are putting unnecessary blame on the Kages. I wonder if they are the same people who say video games indirectly lead to gun violence in youth....

Kages: What have you done for the village lately sasuke?

Agreed. Only positive is Danzo's death.

 

[Midday]

So as point before, SO6P is the main villain am i not right? He could've killed his older son, and none of this bs would've occured no? Isn't he at blame for not dealing with the older son? Is he not at blame for creating the shinobi religion?

Hashirama did deal with Madara, to his acknowledgement he had made sure Madara was dead..... Madara however escaped death. Your blaming Hashirama for something he didn't have any control over.

Now you've just used a slippery slope fallacy instead of debunking what i've said. Hashirama is directly to blame for Madara being here and causing the Juubi's revival. It doesn't matter how sure he thought Madara was dead, he was incorrect and did not kill Madara. So he's to blame, making Sasuke correct.

There's nothing wrong with Hashirama making a mistake, it's better. Perfect characters aren't as likeable as slightly flawed ones as you can relate more with the latter.

 

[phylos]

Well he did kill Danzo who let the village get destroyed by Pain and he helped end Edo Tensei.

What was Danzo supposed to do to stop Pain? Following that train of thought then every current living Leaf inhabitant should be killed because they let Pain destroy the village.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

KH when u got 1 guy supporting u and another constantly trying to ruin u that just leads to chaos


tobi was right because madara was right they both are at fault and both created this entire mess

tobi just listened to his brother and madara have more faith in hashi none of this would have happened

 

[HadouKage]

Naruto already stated he would kills Sasuke if he messed with the village. Naruto = Hashirama there is no difference. Sasuke doesn't understand other people's feelings.. if he did he would've said sorry by now.... He really has No chance at becoming Hokage compared with Naruto.

Hashirama - He TOLD MADARA TO BE HIS RIGHT HAND!.... DO YOU NOT LISTEN OR READ BRO? HOW WAS HE SUPPOSE TO KNOW MADARA WAS GOING TO COME BACK LIKE A IDIOT AND ATTACK THE VILLAGE.... AND WHEN MADARA DID THAT HASHIRAMA KILLED HIM ..... but MADARA ESCAPED DEATH....

Minato is not even indirectly responsible for Obito's turn to the dark side. Obito's turn to the dark side is his own fault.

Bro, did you not read what I posted first? Did you not see the definition of INDIRECT? When did I blame the Kages? Why are you being so one track minded? I said they played apart regardless if you wanna believe or not it's manga facts

Hashi: Stop being redundant, regardless if he was fooled or not, as the Hokage, he didn't dispose of Madara, which is why this war exists in the first place. If you're gonna say Hiruzen didn't do his job and blame him, the same can be said for Hashi, point blank

Minato: Rin was a factor, he didn't save Obito, which led him to Madara, yes, he did indirectly play a part

 

[Thundercles]

What was Danzo supposed to do to stop Pain? Following that train of thought then every current living Leaf inhabitant should be killed because they let Pain destroy the village.

I don't care if Danzo would have just been fodder to Pain, he should have manned up! That is the different between Men and Wanna he's. A man stands tall and ready to fight for his country, to the death if needed, while a wanna be just sits on the sidelines criticizing.

 

[hisou]

I agree with ya KH. These guys are putting unnecessary blame on the Kages. I wonder if they are the same people who say video games indirectly lead to gun violence in youth....

Your argument is completely off topic and, really, has nothing to do with this situation.
"I wonder if they are the same people who say video games indirectly lead to gun violence in youth...."
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All depends on the individual's psychological state of mind and environment.. -_-'

 

[Thundercles]

Your argument is completely off topic and, really, has nothing to do with this situation.
"I wonder if they are the same people who say video games indirectly lead to gun violence in youth...."
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All depends on the individual's psychological state of mind and environment.. -_-'

It's not off-topic. It's called a comparison. People use it when making points. Don't be upset because there are a lot of people who agree with Sasuke through sheer ignorance. Hashirama wanted nothing but peace and strived for it. Madara did what he did of his on volition. Also, the 3rd and 4th's hands are clean of all this as far as I'm concerned.

 

[phylos]

I don't care if Danzo would have just been fodder to Pain, he should have manned up! That is the different between Men and Wanna he's. A man stands tall and ready to fight for his country, to the death if needed, while a wanna be just sits on the sidelines criticizing.

I don't deny that Danzo was trash who had it coming. Just the phrasing in which that statement was put

 

[apsri]

Yeah, I have no idea what he's talking about. I mean, OK, I understand why he may not like Tobirama. The dude segregated the Uchihas and contributed to the resentment that was built up over the following decades. He gave substance to the Madara sympathisers, which eventually led to the coup d'etat attempt, and the subsequent Uchiha Clan Massacre.

And, Hiruzen was responsible for a lot of shit. Mainly because he was the longest reigning Hokage, but it was still on his head. He ordered the systematic murder of the entire Uchiha clan. He gave Danzo free reign over the "dark side of the village". And so on and so forth. His reign had a lot of lows.

But what the hell did Hashirama and Minato do? Hashirama spared Madara's life on more than one occasion. Despite the fact that the Senju clan was clearly the dominant force during his era, he was still more than fair with the Uchihas, treating them like comrades and equals. He founded Konoha, and brought peace to the shinobi world (temporarily). He "killed" Madara? Yes, he killed a guy that attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi. He gave Madara many opportunities. He was even willing to have Madara become Hokage. It was the villagers who elected Hashirama instead. And that included the Uchihas.

As for Minato, well, his reign was so short, he didn't have time to do anything. He beat Obito and sealed Kurama. That's pretty much it.

 

[Thundercles]

Yeah, I have no idea what he's talking about. I mean, OK, I understand why he may not like Tobirama. The dude segregated the Uchihas and contributed to the resentment that was built up over the following decades. He gave substance to the Madara sympathisers, which eventually led to the coup d'etat attempt, and the subsequent Uchiha Clan Massacre.

And, Hiruzen was responsible for a lot of shit. Mainly because he was the longest reigning Hokage, but it was still on his head. He ordered the systematic murder of the entire Uchiha clan. He gave Danzo free reign over the "dark side of the village". And so on and so forth. His reign had a lot of lows.

But what the hell did Hashirama and Minato do? Hashirama spared Madara's life on more than one occasion. Despite the fact that the Senju clan was clearly the dominant force during his era, he was still more than fair with the Uchihas, treating them like comrades and equals. He founded Konoha, and brought peace to the shinobi world (temporarily). He "killed" Madara? Yes, he killed a guy that attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi. He gave Madara many opportunities. He was even willing to have Madara become Hokage. It was the villagers who elected Hashirama instead. And that included the Uchihas.

As for Minato, well, his reign was so short, he didn't have time to do anything. He beat Obito and sealed Kurama. That's pretty much it.

Provide proof of this nonsense.

 

[apsri]

What was Danzo supposed to do to stop Pain? Following that train of thought then every current living Leaf inhabitant should be killed because they let Pain destroy the village.

Order ROOT to help defend the village and not kill the toad who was leaving to call Naruto back?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

He killed the frog that was supposed to tell Naruto Pain was attacking the village and he intentionally held his forces back in the hopes that Tsunade would be killed.Sasuke did the Leaf Village a favor by killing him.