Is Sasuke really this naive?

[hisou]

That's completely illogical. He tried his best. It's not his fault Madara had an escape plan.

"Completely illogcial" --> read again!

And it is his fault because he assumed he killed him! Which clearly wasn't the case. Resulting in misinforming the world.

[edit] 1 more thing I'd like to add is this: Did Hashi leave Madara's body on the scene and walked away or he simply buried him somewhere?

 

[HadouKage]

1. THat is why it is not Hashirama's fault. For it be his fault even indirectly he would've to know about Madara's secret.
And wasn't it Obito who revived the Juubi ..

2. Hashirama would've never segregated them.. And if Hiruzen was trying to follow what Hashirama stood for.. he would've never gave away Neji's dad.... comparing other Hokage's or any other Kages to Hashirama in terms of who was the better one is a flaw.

3. And how is Madara escaping death Hashirama's fault? Even indirectly... you still have no stated anything about this.... And hence why your whole logic isn't making any sense..

4. MS is triggered by Rage.. nothing else.. Itachi has MS, Shusui had MS.. i don't see your point here. The fact that Fugaku and etc respected Hiruzen makes your point of Uchiha were at blame point irrelevent..... Tobirama's action were opposite of what Hashirama told him to do.....

5. So Hashirama is responsible for someone else's actions but SO6P isn't.. yea you sure make logical points..

I'm back, any who

1. He is still indirectly to blame because he did not do his job and dispose of him that Madz was able to obtain the secrets of the Gedo, Hashi's DNA and the sharigan. That'd be with anyone, not just Hashi. Like I said, if you blame Hiruzen but think Hashi can pass, than that is biased

2. I'm not comparing Hokages, nor am I stating one is better than the other in terms of morality (as that tends to be subjective anyway). Hiruzen is not Hashi. Stating he is not Hashirama is irrelevant. In fact he did keep Hashi's will, by stopping the coup and attempting to maintain pce. I'm not trying to give Hiruzen validity as I too feel he is indirectly to blame as well

3. You're missing what I'm saying completely yet again. Because he didn't dispose of Madara, many casualty and shinobi have died. This is no different from Hiruzen failing to dispose of Oro. Because of that, Sasuke was enticed with power and evil and nearly destroyed Kohona

4. Rage, hatred, ill feelings, it's not just rage

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Why do you keep including Hashi in everything you are trying to refute? Oh wait :|
Regardless of said again irrelevancy, the Uchiha were planning a coup and Hiruzen had to do what he had to do to protect the village, I don't know what point you are trying to make there

5. What does have to do with anything? The SO6P started the ninja world and creation of all things

 

[KingHashirama]

bro? wuuut?

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Seriously, If you're sooo damn stuborn or naive or darn thick headed, i don't know. But don't you see the trail? The logic behind this? Try and get this through your thick skull:
Hashi DIDN'T succeed in killing Madara which has led to all of this.. <--- THAT'S why I'm blaming Hashi! Because he didn't do the job thoroughly!

Get it?!
Who gives a damn what Madara's actions/plannings were at that time etc... the fact is and remains: Hashi didn't kill Madara! And again, I'm NOT blaming Hashi for Madara's action. I'm blaming him for not succeeding in killing Madara.

"And the parent thing does make sense lmaoo. And what is the difference between fictive world and the real world, in regards to blame? lmao."
What's your point here? Since you only use prescribed definitions of words from online resources, I can't really tell if you understand it or not, because you can't even explain it with your own words.. hmm

...... How does someone who has no clue about someone's plan get the blame ?

I'm back, any who

1. He is still indirectly to blame because he did not do his job and dispose of him that Madz was able to obtain the secrets of the Gedo, Hashi's DNA and the sharigan. That'd be with anyone, not just Hashi. Like I said, if you blame Hiruzen but think Hashi can pass, than that is biased

2. I'm not comparing Hokages, nor am I stating one is better than the other in terms of morality (as that tends to be subjective anyway). Hiruzen is not Hashi. Stating he is not Hashirama is irrelevant. In fact he did keep Hashi's will, by stopping the coup and attempting to maintain pce. I'm not trying to give Hiruzen validity as I too feel he is indirectly to blame as well

3. You're missing what I'm saying completely yet again. Because he didn't dispose of Madara, many casualty and shinobi have died. This is no different from Hiruzen failing to dispose of Oro. Because of that, Sasuke was enticed with power and evil and nearly destroyed Kohona

4. Rage, hatred, ill feelings, it's not just rage

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Why do you keep including Hashi in everything you are trying to refute? Oh wait :|
Regardless of said again irrelevancy, the Uchiha were planning a coup and Hiruzen had to do what he had to do to protect the village, I don't know what point you are trying to make there

5. What does have to do with anything? The SO6P started the ninja world and creation of all things

1. He did do his job, his Job was to stop Madara from attacking the village and he did. Madara's plan only succeded due to Obito..... Don't see your point in blaming Hashirama indirectly and saying he is responible for Madara's Resurrection...

2. He didn't keep Hashirama's wishes... Hashirama treated everyone equally.... While Hiruzen didn't do anything about the segregation... Are you not understanding this? or are you trying to ignore this?

3. It was no Hashirama's job to completely kill Madara, and foil madara's plan of Resurrection....Mate no matter how "indirectly" you look at it.. Hashirama doesn't take the blame. Your blaming Madara escaping on Hashirama..... lol. when Hashirama had no clue.. and you apparently think Hashirama having no clue doesn't matter. Your stating it like Hashirama LET Madara live...

4. Itachi, Shusui... proved that theory wrong. Uchiha coup was justified... no matter how you look at it....Hiruzen could've talked to the Uchiha... hell he killed Neji's dad and gave his body to Kumo.... yeaa.. he was following Hashirama's will ok... lmao.


5. SO6P started the Shinobi sect.. hence why he is responsible for it. (Your logic wise).. but hey if you want to deny blame on SO6P for not dealing with older son.. then so be it.. but no point blaming Hashirama for Madara's escape plan

 

[HadouKage]

...... How does someone who has no clue about someone's plan get the blame ?




1. He did do his job, his Job was to stop Madara from attacking the village and he did. Madara's plan only succeded due to Obito..... Don't see your point in blaming Hashirama indirectly and saying he is responible for Madara's Resurrection...

2. He didn't keep Hashirama's wishes... Hashirama treated everyone equally.... While Hiruzen didn't do anything about the segregation... Are you not understanding this? or are you trying to ignore this?

3. It was no Hashirama's job to completely kill Madara, and foil madara's plan of Resurrection....Mate no matter how "indirectly" you look at it.. Hashirama doesn't take the blame. Your blaming Madara escaping on Hashirama..... lol. when Hashirama had no clue.. and you apparently think Hashirama having no clue doesn't matter. Your stating it like Hashirama LET Madara live...

4. Itachi, Shusui... proved that theory wrong. Uchiha coup was justified... no matter how you look at it....Hiruzen could've talked to the Uchiha... hell he killed Neji's dad and gave his body to Kumo.... yeaa.. he was following Hashirama's will ok... lmao.


5. SO6P started the Shinobi sect.. hence why he is responsible for it. (Your logic wise).. but hey if you want to deny blame on SO6P for not dealing with older son.. then so be it.. but no point blaming Hashirama for Madara's escape plan

1. And from this comment, you miss the whole relevancy of Sasuke's statement. He said "the hokages are the reason why everyone is in this predicament." Therefore he is indirectly to blame for not stopping Madz, there's nothing to refute this statement because if Madz was stop, there would be no war

2. When I say wishes, I'm referring to his protection of the village. Which he told Sasuke a shinobi is suppose to do. Also is it not the job of the Hokage to see over the village as it's primary protector??

3. Look at comment one

4. They did nothing of the sort, was it stated how they awakened their MS? No, they could have had hatred for something that wasn't evil. You have no facts so you cannot infer this

5. So I see you don't know what indirectly means in the context its being used. SO6P did no action to indirectly cause this war. He gave birth to the kids, who gave birth, who gave birth, etc

 

[RinneBlitz]

I don't understand what he's trying to accomplish anyways.....all the Uchiha are dead, so there would be no point for him to become Hokage.

Marry Sakura, bang her, have children, and after 30 or 40 years in the NV - the Uchiha clan reborn, just like Team 7! =D

 

[hisou]

...... How does someone who has no clue about someone's plan get the blame ?

Hmmmppphhh...

1. Back to the basics: Prove me that Madara had any sort of escape plans! It simply could have been a miracle for him to survive.
2. "Blame, blame, blame.." Jesus, it's a mistake he made back then for not verifying atleast 100x Madara's death. So, basically he went on living his life assuming his best friend was dead. <-- Again, hashi's mistake.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. And from this comment, you miss the whole relevancy of Sasuke's statement. He said "the hokages are the reason why everyone is in this predicament." Therefore he is indirectly to blame for not stopping Madz, there's nothing to refute this statement because if Madz was stop, there would be no war

2. When I say wishes, I'm referring to his protection of the village. Which he told Sasuke a shinobi is suppose to do. Also is it not the job of the Hokage to see over the village as it's primary protector??

3. Look at comment one

4. They did nothing of the sort, was it stated how they awakened their MS? No, they could have had hatred for something that wasn't evil. You have no facts so you cannot infer this

5. So I see you don't know what indirectly means in the context its being used. SO6P did no action to indirectly cause this war. He gave birth to the kids, who gave birth, who gave birth, etc

1. But he did stop Madz..... :eww: Madara however had a escape plan, which Hashirama had no clue about.. hence i'm calling Sasuke a naive child.... He really is in no position to be putting blame on someone who made peace..

2. Hashirama's ideal on what a Hokage is.. and the verything he lived by as a Hokage :
"The fellow countrymen of the Konoha make up each part of my body… those of the village believe in me, and I believe in them. That's what it means to be Hokage!"

He would've never let Kumo get Neji's dad...

4. My point in stating them was to show you MS doesn't = Evil..... hell even Madara turned Good... your going around in circles on this topic..

5. SO6P didn't give his will to the older son indirectly causing him hatred, and triggering the Senju vs Uchiha later on.. which led to Hashirama vs Madara...

Hmmmppphhh...

1. Back to the basics: Prove me that Madara had any sort of escape plans! It simply could have been a miracle for him to survive.
2. "Blame, blame, blame.." Jesus, it's a mistake he made back then for not verifying atleast 100x Madara's death. So, basically he went on living his life assuming his best friend was dead. <-- Again, hashi's mistake.

Definition of blame : Assign responsibility for a fault or wrong:

You are put responsiblity on Hashirama for something Madara did.. pretty sure that is blame.... lmao. Well oh yea.. Hashirama just left him to rot, Tobirama and etc didn't even bother to check.... X_X. There had to be some plan if your going to escape death.... lmao. You ask me for a proof.. where is your proof it was all a miracle?

Tobirama couldn't have checked? Mito couldn't have checked? The 100+ people in the village couldn't check?

 

[hisou]

Marry Sakura, bang her, have children, and after 30 or 40 years in the NV - the Uchiha clan reborn, just like Team 7! =D

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[HadouKage]

1. But he did stop Madz..... :eww: Madara however had a escape plan, which Hashirama had no clue about.. hence i'm calling Sasuke a naive child.... He really is in no position to be putting blame on someone who made peace..

2. Hashirama's ideal on what a Hokage is.. and the verything he lived by as a Hokage :
"The fellow countrymen of the Konoha make up each part of my body… those of the village believe in me, and I believe in them. That's what it means to be Hokage!"

He would've never let Kumo get Neji's dad...

4. My point in stating them was to show you MS doesn't = Evil..... hell even Madara turned Good... your going around in circles on this topic..

5. SO6P didn't give his will to the older son indirectly causing him hatred, and triggering the Senju vs Uchiha later on.. which led to Hashirama vs Madara...

I can't stand redundancy, quite a pet peeve.
I fold, I cannot keep this up U_U

 

[KingHashirama]

I can't stand redundancy, quite a pet peeve.
I fold, I cannot keep this up U_U

Then no point stating the samething over and over..while it has been countered over and over..

 

[HadouKage]

Then no point stating the samething over and over..while it has been countered over and over..

Nothing has been countered if you can't comprehend what INDIRECTLY means after I just gave you the definition, then there is no need to further debate with you

 

[hisou]

...... How does someone who has no clue about someone's plan get the blame ?

Hmmmppphhh...

1. Back to the basics: Prove me that Madara had any sort of escape plans! It simply could have been a miracle for him to survive.
2. "Blame, blame, blame.." Jesus, it's a mistake he made back then for not verifying atleast 100x Madara's death. So, basically he went on living his life assuming his best friend was dead. <-- Again, hashi's mistake.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nothing has been countered if you can't comprehend what INDIRECTLY means after I just gave you the definition, then there is no need to further debate with you

Mate.. are you even paying attention to what your posting vs what you post about indirectly.... I'm talking about even indirectly.. Hashirama doesn't get the blame.. the debate is about the "Blame" NOT Directly or indirectly....

 

[HadouKage]

Mate.. are you even paying attention to what your posting vs what you post about indirectly.... I'm talking about even indirectly.. Hashirama doesn't get the blame.. the debate is about the "Blame" NOT Directly or indirectly....

Like I said, it can be interpreted different ways. You have your views and I have mine.
With that said I'm out

 

[KingHashirama]

Like I said, it can be interpreted different ways. You have your views and I have mine.
With that said I'm out

Take care mate xD

 

[hisou]

Definition of blame : Assign responsibility for a fault or wrong:

You are put responsiblity on Hashirama for something Madara did.. pretty sure that is blame.... lmao. Well oh yea.. Hashirama just left him to rot, Tobirama and etc didn't even bother to check.... X_X. There had to be some plan if your going to escape death.... lmao. You ask me for a proof.. where is your proof it was all a miracle?

Tobirama couldn't have checked? Mito couldn't have checked? The 100+ people in the village couldn't check?

Hahaha! Yeah, keep avoiding my questions only proves your mistake.

Answer to your first sentence: I've never put the reponsibility on Hashi for something Madara did.
Everything you said after your first sentence is completely your assumption about the situation. If it's mentioned any where on the web.. just tell me. I'm even asking you to prove me wrong.. -_-'

"There had to be some plan if your going to escape death.... lmao. You ask me for a proof.. where is your proof it was all a miracle?"

Hahaha, DAT ignorance! :x3::x3:

Where is it mentioned THAT THERE WAS A PLAN. That's why I'm asking you for proof. So Again, you're discussing matter based on assumptions you made up. IF you can't prove me wrong. ROFLCOPTER

Why should I be proving it was a miracle? I've never said IT WAS a miracle. I explicitly said:

Hmmmppphhh...

1. Back to the basics: Prove me that Madara had any sort of escape plans! It simply could have been a miracle for him to have survived.
2. "Blame, blame, blame.." Jesus, it's a mistake he made back then for not verifying atleast 100x Madara's death. So, basically he went on living his life assuming his best friend was dead. <-- Again, hashi's mistake.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hahaha! Yeah, keep avoiding my questions only proves your mistake.

Answer to your first sentence: I've never put the reponsibility on Hashi for something Madara did.
Everything you said after your first sentence is completely your assumptions about the situation. If it's mentioned any where on the web.. just tell me. I'm even asking you to prove me wrong.. -_-'

"There had to be some plan if your going to escape death.... lmao. You ask me for a proof.. where is your proof it was all a miracle?"

Hahaha, DAT ignorance! :x3::x3:

Where is it mentioned THAT THERE WAS A PLAN. That's why I'm asking you for proof. So Again, you're discussing matter based on assumptions you made up. IF you can't prove me wrong. ROFLCOPTER

Why should I be proving it was a miracle? I've never said IT WAS a miracle. I explicitly said:

How do you escape death without a plan?

You provide no evidence of this "miracle" you higly speak..... My saying on this plan is based on Madara's doing.. he specifically said he escaped death, and only lives due to Hashirama' DNA... So how exactly is that a miracle?

If it was a miracle then your calling the top teir people of Konoha at that time retards.... You pose no questions yet you claim I avoid them?

 

[hisou]

How do you escape death without a plan?

You provide no evidence of this "miracle" you higly speak..... My saying on this plan is based on Madara's doing.. he specifically said he escaped death, and only lives due to Hashirama' DNA... So how exactly is that a miracle?

If it was a miracle then your calling the top teir people of Konoha at that time retards.... You pose no questions yet you claim I avoid them?

"You provide no evidence of this "miracle" you higly speak; So how exactly is that a miracle?"
Dude, again..
I said: It COULD HAVE BEEN a miracle. Therefore it doesn't mean IT WAS a miracle.
Do you understand what I'm saying?

"he specifically said he escaped death"
Again.. Where is it mentioned????? Damn! :eww:
I'm asking you to give me the panel where it's mentioned.

And even so ... was all his doing up until then part of an escape plan during their battle?? Taking Hashi's DNA and living like a crippled for the rest of his life?
If so? Where is it mentioned in manga??

"You pose no questions yet you claim I avoid them?"

Hmmmppphhh...

1. Back to the basics: Prove me that Madara had any sort of escape plans! It simply could have been a miracle for him to have survived.
2. "Blame, blame, blame.." Jesus, it's a mistake he made back then for not verifying atleast 100x Madara's death. So, basically he went on living his life assuming his best friend was dead. <-- Again, hashi's mistake.

Oh srry, I forgot to put a question mark.. -_-''
Either way, the sentence implies a question..


Edit: "How do you escape death without a plan?"
That's why it's called a miracle.... ---____---''
Either way, Who says there was a plan escaping death in the first place? Again, provide me with evidence.

 

[fayeon]

Theres where naruto change him and fight with him

But he already good guy


And he said the kages he might mean the 2 kages not all of them i think we being naive if we complain about that

 

[Dark Artist]

he has the Full right to say this
since Konoha elders and kages were watching the Uchiha clan gettin wiped out