Is sarutobi equally to blame for the Uchiha Genocide

[WillToWin]

Hmmm. How about we agree to completely disagree?

What's to disagree? Danzo was jealous of Hiruzen. He tried to become better than him, but he couldn't pull it off. He wanted to show off that's all. It's like Naruto when he was in Team 7 with Sasuke. He tried to do everything better than Sasuke. At the end who failed? That's right, Naruto. But of course that was way back in the beginning when he had a cocky personality and he thought he was above everyone.

Back to the point, Danzo might of cared. But not in the same ways a true Hokage like Hashirama, Tobimara, Hiruzen, and Minato did. Tsunade cares for her village, but i didn't put her in the list because i'm just mentioning the deceased Kages. He is greedy and that's it. He doesn't care about people's opinions. He only cares for himself and didn't you see what he did in the Summit. He tried to control Mifune. He wanted to become the leader of the shinobe alliance, which it didn't work well. As long as he can get things his way without even getting the other person's consent. He will go for it and that's why i hate him.

 

[Yveltal]

Well whaymt would you choose your country or a small part of it, anyway Hiruzen wanted to find a diffrent way, but he got outvoted by the two old people and Danzo, also if the massacre hadnt happened then the uchihas would of attacked the village

 

[Naruto Boss]

he did the right thing at the time and im sure he would do it again

 

[1337Boy]

In my opinion Danzo was the main one responsible but I would also blame Itachi. There is nothing heroic about killing your Parents and friends. Its just sad. Tobi cannot also be forgiven. There could have been other solutions to the problem but Danzo chose the violent way. I would have wanted Danzou to be punished by the people of Konoha. He should have been brought to justice, not killed by Sasuke. IMO that is cheap justice and I would go as far as to say that it is not even justice. Because he was murdered Danzou became the victim and now people's sympathies lied with him which would make him a minor hero. Danzou died a heroes death which he didn't deserve. You might remember that after he died someone said, I cannot remember who, that Danzou's last actions were to protect Konoha. IMO Danzou caused Konoha more harm then anyone else....

Just my rant, ignore it if you wish xd

 

[KingHashirama]

Okay. Do you think Danzo was going to let Oro get a one up on him? And he wasn't even working with him. He sent Sai to kill Sasuke. But again you think Danzo is "bad" even though he's grey. That's all I have to say. There's no use continuing because you're obviously not going to listen. You don't understand the concept of being morally grey, and btw, Konoha wouldve crumbled in an instant without people like Danzo. You can think what you want.
btw, "letted" is not a word.

errrrr. "Konoha would've crumbled in an instant without people like Danzo". uh no..Danzo just made it look bad.. (the incident with kabuto's "mom") Konoha never needed Danzo, It survived without Danzo in the past and could've done the same now. Danzo just liked eliminating any threat to konoha. Which is against the Senju way. ;] And, also i used to believe the samething you did.. Until the recent flashback of Itachi uchiha.. So don't say im not going to listen.

Also, "Danzo wasn't working with oro" are you serious?? he was scared that if his affiliations with Oro were found out there might be a risk of him not becoming Hokage.. And, also if Danzo is morally grey why is Madara Evil??

 

[KingHashirama]

In my opinion Danzo was the main one responsible but I would also blame Itachi. There is nothing heroic about killing your Parents and friends. Its just sad. Tobi cannot also be forgiven. There could have been other solutions to the problem but Danzo chose the violent way. I would have wanted Danzou to be punished by the people of Konoha. He should have been brought to justice, not killed by Sasuke. IMO that is cheap justice and I would go as far as to say that it is not even justice. Because he was murdered Danzou became the victim and now people's sympathies lied with him which would make him a minor hero. Danzou died a heroes death which he didn't deserve. You might remember that after he died someone said, I cannot remember who, that Danzou's last actions were to protect Konoha. IMO Danzou caused Konoha more harm then anyone else....

Just my rant, ignore it if you wish xd

i actually agree. But the only problem here is .. Danzo didn't get punished.. And idk why Sarutobi segregated the uchiha.. just cause of the nine-tails attack.. When Hashirama didn't even do it when Madara attacked. That was a pretty stupid move. In reality When Sarutobi returned from Retirement he Lost the "Leader" touch. He should've elected a Uchiha as Hokage.

Also i find it stupid how people think Danzo was a Konoha loving guy.. When he let Pein destroy it and Didn't do shit against the sand.. And also which Konoha loving guy Murders Konoha's own people, just because he thinks they are gonna cause a civil war.. but instead they were just gonna coup.

Did you see how the Konoha and the uchiha were represented by the statues in chapter 590.

 

[james brown]

In my opinion Danzo was the main one responsible but I would also blame Itachi. There is nothing heroic about killing your Parents and friends. Its just sad. Tobi cannot also be forgiven. There could have been other solutions to the problem but Danzo chose the violent way. I would have wanted Danzou to be punished by the people of Konoha. He should have been brought to justice, not killed by Sasuke. IMO that is cheap justice and I would go as far as to say that it is not even justice. Because he was murdered Danzou became the victim and now people's sympathies lied with him which would make him a minor hero. Danzou died a heroes death which he didn't deserve. You might remember that after he died someone said, I cannot remember who, that Danzou's last actions were to protect Konoha. IMO Danzou caused Konoha more harm then anyone else....

Just my rant, ignore it if you wish xd

Wow I don't believe it! A logical answer! Oh my god plus rep bro! Some people on this forum need to take lessons from guys like you. You should really hold classes on here.

 

[EternalStudent]

In my opinion Danzo was the main one responsible but I would also blame Itachi. There is nothing heroic about killing your Parents and friends. Its just sad. Tobi cannot also be forgiven. There could have been other solutions to the problem but Danzo chose the violent way. I would have wanted Danzou to be punished by the people of Konoha. He should have been brought to justice, not killed by Sasuke. IMO that is cheap justice and I would go as far as to say that it is not even justice. Because he was murdered Danzou became the victim and now people's sympathies lied with him which would make him a minor hero. Danzou died a heroes death which he didn't deserve. You might remember that after he died someone said, I cannot remember who, that Danzou's last actions were to protect Konoha. IMO Danzou caused Konoha more harm then anyone else....

Just my rant, ignore it if you wish xd

Idk about that, there was literally nothing he could have done. THe options Danzo gave him were pretty much it. FIght with your kin (and die) or kill them and save your brother. Its was an option basically to save Sasuke or let him die...Either way the Uchiha had to go. You cant just give a clan a little title (police force) or w/e and expect them to lie dormant. Eventually there would've have been a dispute. and other nations wouldve capitalized on the turmoil. I think thats the biggest part we leave out. Thats a part of politics in the Naru world...Just have to deal with it, there arent simply "black and white" moral characters here

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Nope. it was Danzo.

 

[KingHashirama]

good explanations so far guys.

 

[synkross]

Danzo did the right thing....it was the better choice....and why blame Hiruzen LOL
as hokage he had to keep villages safety 1st.

 

[kral]

It was danzo. In the flashback it was only him standing there talking to itachi. How was anyone else supposed to know. Also how do we know he didn't use shishu eye on hiruzen? So many questions without answers. N yes its also itachi fault. He could of went to his dad n went dad they know about the plot lets stop all this n fix it. Work it out n maybe it all woulda of been avoided itachi had choices.

 

[HiddenSound]

What's to disagree? Danzo was jealous of Hiruzen. He tried to become better than him, but he couldn't pull it off. He wanted to show off that's all. It's like Naruto when he was in Team 7 with Sasuke. He tried to do everything better than Sasuke. At the end who failed? That's right, Naruto. But of course that was way back in the beginning when he had a cocky personality and he thought he was above everyone.

Back to the point, Danzo might of cared. But not in the same ways a true Hokage like Hashirama, Tobimara, Hiruzen, and Minato did. Tsunade cares for her village, but i didn't put her in the list because i'm just mentioning the deceased Kages. He is greedy and that's it. He doesn't care about people's opinions. He only cares for himself and didn't you see what he did in the Summit. He tried to control Mifune. He wanted to become the leader of the shinobe alliance, which it didn't work well. As long as he can get things his way without even getting the other person's consent. He will go for it and that's why i hate him.

Danzo is the most realistic ninja in the series. He did things from the shadows. And I don't care if he was greedy or not, I really don't. Even if he's "evil", which he isn't, he would be a necessary evil. Danzo is justifiable in all of his actions. Do you not like him because of his "greed" or because he screwed the Uchiha clan. Also, if his final moment didn't prove his awesomeness I don't know what does.
Danzo was one of Kishi's better characters. He was the most realistic and had a great but simple mystery around him: "Is he a greeady dictator, or the noble personification of shinobi?"
But again, let's agree to disagree.

 

[HiddenSound]

errrrr. "Konoha would've crumbled in an instant without people like Danzo". uh no..Danzo just made it look bad.. (the incident with kabuto's "mom") Konoha never needed Danzo, It survived without Danzo in the past and could've done the same now. Danzo just liked eliminating any threat to konoha. Which is against the Senju way. ;] And, also i used to believe the samething you did.. Until the recent flashback of Itachi uchiha.. So don't say im not going to listen.

Also, "Danzo wasn't working with oro" are you serious?? he was scared that if his affiliations with Oro were found out there might be a risk of him not becoming Hokage.. And, also if Danzo is morally grey why is Madara Evil??

Oooooh!! You don't like Danzo because he's against the "Senju way"! And you're a Senju fanboy. Gotcha.
But seriously, stop being a dumbass and reread the manga. Sai's mission was to kill Sasuke the whole time. But your tottaly against Danzo because you can't understand his character. You're being very, very naive. You're obviously a kid or you somehow don't know how the world works.
And you think Konoha got along without people like Danzo to do the dirty work that litteraly every government past and present has to face.. lol ;]

 

[KingHashirama]

Oooooh!! You don't like Danzo because he's against the "Senju way"! And you're a Senju fanboy. Gotcha.
But seriously, stop being a dumbass and reread the manga. Sai's mission was to kill Sasuke the whole time. But your tottaly against Danzo because you can't understand his character. You're being very, very naive. You're obviously a kid or you somehow don't know how the world works.
And you think Konoha got along without people like Danzo to do the dirty work that litteraly every government past and present has to face.. lol ;]

Apparently, if you read the series.. the senju way is the Konoha way.. ok buddy .

And also you needa reread the manga.. Sai went to Oro's base with a message from Danzo and he was suppose to kill sasuke there to.. ;].
And also, yes i am against Danzo.. I am a Sarutobi fan, not a danzo fan. I can't understand Danzo's character??? uh i have already stated that his character is like Madara's..

And also, that is why Pein was right.. Konoha let people like Danzo go around and boss others while saying "LETS MAKE PEACE". uh no .

Danzo was the opposite of what any other Hokage represented. And check what naive is.

 

[HiddenSound]

Apparently, if you read the series.. the senju way is the Konoha way.. ok buddy .

And also you needa reread the manga.. Sai went to Oro's base with a message from Danzo and he was suppose to kill sasuke there to.. ;].
And also, yes i am against Danzo.. I am a Sarutobi fan, not a danzo fan. I can't understand Danzo's character??? uh i have already stated that his character is like Madara's..

And also, that is why Pein was right.. Konoha let people like Danzo go around and boss others while saying "LETS MAKE PEACE". uh no .

Danzo was the opposite of what any other Hokage represented. And check what naive is.

Haha, wow. A guy calling me naive when he doesn't think the other villages who hated Konoha would invade a weakened Konoha. I really am tired of you, so think what you want.

 

[KingHashirama]

Haha, wow. A guy calling me naive when he doesn't think the other villages who hated Konoha would invade a weakened Konoha. I really am tired of you, so think what you want.

a guy calling me naive when doesn't think that if the Leaders had listened to the uchiha there wouldn't be any weakened Konoha.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He's the hokage he knew how Danzo was he should've stepped up and stopped him

 

[1337Boy]

Danzo is the most realistic ninja in the series. He did things from the shadows. And I don't care if he was greedy or not, I really don't. Even if he's "evil", which he isn't, he would be a necessary evil. Danzo is justifiable in all of his actions. Do you not like him because of his "greed" or because he screwed the Uchiha clan. Also, if his final moment didn't prove his awesomeness I don't know what does.
Danzo was one of Kishi's better characters. He was the most realistic and had a great but simple mystery around him: "Is he a greeady dictator, or the noble personification of shinobi?"
But again, let's agree to disagree.

You are judging Danzou based on his final moment and that is where you are badly mistaken. Danzou was evil. Maybe in his final moment he tried to redeem himself and you have mistaken it for heroism. ... How naive of you xd

 

[HiddenSound]

You are judging Danzou based on his final moment and that is where you are badly mistaken. Danzou was evil. Maybe in his final moment he tried to redeem himself and you have mistaken it for heroism. ... How naive of you xd

Reread that. I said "awesome". I meant it as "cool". Did you really not understand that? That was Danzo's coolest moment, trying to kill Sasuke and Tobi for the sake of the ninja world. I judged Danzo based on all that he did. Don't try to tell me what I meant, okay friend?