How the "Kage" are set up by Kishimoto

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So Itachi is declaring himself stronger then Madara and Hashirama without even facing them?
He never declared that. Itachi admitted that another MS uchiha could resist tsukuyomi in madara EMS case its credible. Hashirama admitted to be inferior himself =D
 

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So Itachi is declaring himself stronger then Madara and Hashirama without even facing them?

You completely misunderstand.

Itachi was stating that IF YOU GET CAUGHT in his Tsukuyomi, you are finished unless you have Uchiha Blood and Sharingan. We have yet to see otherwise.

Hashirama and Madara have the entire possibility of not getting caught. If Hashirama gets caught, he's done. If Madara gets caught, he could be fine.
 

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Sorry. Manga has spoken. Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user who shares Itachi's blood.

Does Tsunade have Sharingan? No.
Does she share Itachi's blood? No.

Tsukuyomi one shots.

All Genjutsu being useless is a load of BS but being the fanboy that you are you will continue to deny cold hard manga facts.

:sy: why do you have such hatred over a fictional character? you put the "D" in DUMBEST PERSON LIVING ON PLANET GREEN EARTH..........
you went and dig up an old manga scan that was out dated by what has being transpiring lately... perhaps you forgot so let me show you that this was Tskuyomi... a TSKUYOMI THAT WAS GREATER THAN ITACHI BEING AN EMS ATTACK,
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and even if you want to deny the fact the he wasn't using EMS but """"using SO CALL MS"""" it doesn't change the fact that what JIRAYA SAID WAS TRUE AND IT DIDN'T TAKE ANOTHER UCHIHA TO DEFEAT THE ILLUSION.
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The truth is i just dont like you...... i always pray for the creator to give you some sense of rational debating skills and proper interpretations on manga scans so you can REDUCE YOUR DEFECTED SPEECHES THAT'S WORSE THAN EXCRETA.......... REALLY your too much, anyone would hate you because of your behavior, same thing for space cow boy........ you both flaunts around your ridiculous TROLLAGE OF ALT ACCOUNTS MINATO 23 AND LIGHT BRINGER RESPECTIVELY as if that will be good, you 2 spoil the entire meaning of this guy's hard work with your childish cerebrums by NOT READING WHAT WAS SAID... BTW good thread king ...............
 

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You completely misunderstand.

Itachi was stating that IF YOU GET CAUGHT in his Tsukuyomi, you are finished unless you have Uchiha Blood and Sharingan. We have yet to see otherwise.

Hashirama and Madara have the entire possibility of not getting caught. If Hashirama gets caught, he's done. If Madara gets caught, he could be fine.

Circled in red.. he out right says non-sharingan people and non-relatives to him have no chance against him.... o_O.




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Circled in red.. he out right says non-sharingan people and non-relatives to him have no chance against him.... o_O.




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That was just a translation issue. He was talking about his Tsukuyomi the entire time. And it's true, only and Uchiha of Uchiha blood can defeat his Tsukuyomi.
 

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Kakashi's MS is far more advanced now, as evidenced by his use of it in this war.
 

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:sy: why do you have such hatred over a fictional character? you put the "D" in DUMBEST PERSON LIVING ON PLANET GREEN EARTH..........
you went and dig up an old manga scan that was out dated by what has being transpiring lately... perhaps you forgot so let me show you that this was Tskuyomi... a TSKUYOMI THAT WAS GREATER THAN ITACHI BEING AN EMS ATTACK,
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and even if you want to deny the fact the he wasn't using EMS but """"using SO CALL MS"""" it doesn't change the fact that what JIRAYA SAID WAS TRUE AND IT DIDN'T TAKE ANOTHER UCHIHA TO DEFEAT THE ILLUSION.
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The truth is i just dont like you...... i always pray for the creator to give you some sense of rational debating skills and proper interpretations on manga scans so you can REDUCE YOUR DEFECTED SPEECHES THAT'S WORSE THAN EXCRETA.......... REALLY your too much, anyone would hate you because of your behavior, same thing for space cow boy........ you both flaunts around your ridiculous TROLLAGE OF ALT ACCOUNTS MINATO 23 AND LIGHT BRINGER RESPECTIVELY as if that will be good, you 2 spoil the entire meaning of this guy's hard work with your childish cerebrums by NOT READING WHAT WAS SAID... BTW good thread king ...............

Fact: That is not Tsukuyomi, that is a regular unspecific named genjutsu, Sasuke has done that like 4 times, 3 with MS and 1 with his EMS. So this scan is really invalid.

Tsunade is not breaking out of Tsukuyomi, the only counter to it as Itachi specified was an Uchiha. Sasuke is the only one to have broken out out of Tsukuyomi.
 

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:sy: why do you have such hatred over a fictional character? you put the "D" in DUMBEST PERSON LIVING ON PLANET GREEN EARTH..........
you went and dig up an old manga scan that was out dated by what has being transpiring lately... perhaps you forgot so let me show you that this was Tskuyomi... a TSKUYOMI THAT WAS GREATER THAN ITACHI BEING AN EMS ATTACK,
You must be registered for see images
and even if you want to deny the fact the he wasn't using EMS but """"using SO CALL MS"""" it doesn't change the fact that what JIRAYA SAID WAS TRUE AND IT DIDN'T TAKE ANOTHER UCHIHA TO DEFEAT THE ILLUSION.
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The truth is i just dont like you...... i always pray for the creator to give you some sense of rational debating skills and proper interpretations on manga scans so you can REDUCE YOUR DEFECTED SPEECHES THAT'S WORSE THAN EXCRETA.......... REALLY your too much, anyone would hate you because of your behavior, same thing for space cow boy........ you both flaunts around your ridiculous TROLLAGE OF ALT ACCOUNTS MINATO 23 AND LIGHT BRINGER RESPECTIVELY as if that will be good, you 2 spoil the entire meaning of this guy's hard work with your childish cerebrums by NOT READING WHAT WAS SAID... BTW good thread king ...............

Do me a favor and fuck off Zesto.

Tsukuyomi>Generic EMS Genjutsu.
 

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I don't quite get when people try to compare others to the Kage of their village.

You guys need to realize by now, that Kishimoto had set up the Kages as the strongest shinobi produced by that specific village. (Excluding the main antagonists and the protagonist)

Itachi, Danzo, Jiraiya, Kakashi, and so on..... are all below the 5 Hokage. Hell even Guy stated that he isn't on Hokage level, when he said the 4 red suns barrier requires 4 Hokage level ninjas.

This is just me stating how the Kage in each village are set up by Kishimoto.


i agree with this however tsunade is no where near the level of the first four hokage.
kishi made it clear by sating "the biggest fishes is about to flex their might"
people got confused that the hokage except for hashirama are just around the level of the sannin but fail to realized that orochimaru summoned 2 hokages at his side.

kishimoto again revived the hokages and make them deal with the jubii just to show they are the only one capable of dealing with the jubii
 

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We haven't seen Kakashi entrapped in such a genjustu ever since. At that point in time Kakashi had a basic sharingan, and as a non-Uchiha user, was not aware of all its features. His eyes may not be as powerful as Obito's, but genjustu feats are simply not credible against his sharingan now.
 

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Sorry. Manga has spoken. Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user who shares Itachi's blood.

Does Tsunade have Sharingan? No.
Does she share Itachi's blood? No.

Tsukuyomi one shots.

All Genjutsu being useless is a load of BS but being the fanboy that you are you will continue to deny cold hard manga facts.

another problem i discovered you said it one shots her, but how can this be ? when anyone who is a TAIJUTSU MASTER LIKE GUY CAN AVOID DIRECT CONTACT OF EYE TO EYE, She's even better than guy at taijutsu the fact that he himself noted Tsunade has one of the best combat fighters above his league AND DEFINITELY HIGHER than him in intelligence, SHE CURED TSUKUYOMI THAT ITACHI SO CALLED SAID COULDN'T BE UNDONE; If what itachi said was true about his SPECIFIC SHARIGAN CAN ONLY BE COUNTERED BY ANOTHER MEMBER, THEN TO UNDONE THE genjutsu off kakashi and sasuke, the leaf would had, had to send for another uchiha member to uplift the genjutsu off kakashi and Sasuke...

The fact that Tsunade went up against 5 clones and didn't get caught in an illusion from the sharigan or EVEN THE RENNIGAN SINCE ITS AN UPGRADE/MUTATION indicates her prowess of rendering genjutsus FUTILE......
Tsukuyomi isn't one shotting Tsunade by no means or any means necessary..........
 

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That was just a translation issue. He was talking about his Tsukuyomi the entire time. And it's true, only and Uchiha of Uchiha blood can defeat his Tsukuyomi.

Excuses mate.... He only mentioned Tsukuyomi in one quote......
 

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Excuses mate.... He only mentioned Tsukuyomi in one quote......

Pay attention to your own scan.

At first he says some resistance could be met.

But then, he mentions Tsukuyomi and then says he's unbeatable.

He's reffering to Tsukuyomi
 

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Disagree ... *Sees 5 pages of posts*... You should be able to see why you're wrong by now i assume

Earth is mostly blue by the way, zesto
 
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Fact: That is not Tsukuyomi, that is a regular unspecific named genjutsu, Sasuke has done that like 4 times, 3 with MS and 1 with his EMS. So this scan is really invalid.

Tsunade is not breaking out of Tsukuyomi, the only counter to it as Itachi specified was an Uchiha. Sasuke is the only one to have broken out out of Tsukuyomi.

i suppose in your OPINION because madara didn't chant the word """'TSUKUYOMI"" signifies an ordinary sharigan illusion when it was stated that once mastering MS you awake susanoo with Tskuyomi and Amaterasu and Ems grant greater power above those 3
 
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