How can ppl not agree Kabuto>Itachi?

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Seriously, your posts astound me. Explain to me in a logical fashion exactly how Itachi will activate Izanami? The only way he got it off was after he died 2-3 times. Lets break the fight down shall we.

• First potential death - white rage made itachi drop most of susano'o leaving him vulnerable. He didn't die then and there because Kabuto went for Sasuke.
• Death 1 - Inorganic transmutation, Itachi was impaled by the spike erupting from the ground. In this instance he was only saved by Sasuke. In a 1v1 he still would have died since susano'o is weak from underneath.
• Second potential death - Kabuto makes a web then switches to kimimaro's KKG, forcing the brothers to split their attacks. Again without Sasuke present Itachi would have been incapacitated by one of these jutsu.
• Third potential death - Tayuya's sound genjutsu catches the brothers, without Sasuke there to break him out Kabuto would have won then and there.
• Death 2 - Kabuto emerges from Orochimaru's mouth and proceeds to chop Itachi in half. Again kabuto would have rewritten Itachi's seal then and there if not for Sasuke's intervention.

Now I want you to pay very close attention to this next bit. None of the deaths I listed above are directly related to Izanami's activation. Izanami's activation stems from Itachi being impaled twice by sasuke's sword, thereby creating the loop. Therefore none of these deaths were intentional, but all of which would count as real deaths in a 1 v 1 fight. Also Itachi couldn't just 'let' himself get killed because Kabuto would re-write the Edo-tag, so he was try to avoid being killed.

So if your argument for Itachi winning is solely based on the fact that Itachi will activate Izanami then I have one big question? Even if Sasuke wasn't there and Itachi was Edo he would have died 5 times before getting Izanami to loop, whilst they never touched Kabuto. Therefore I ask how does a non-edo Itachi pull this off when only one death seals the win for Kabuto.

:shrug: This is strong evidence against itachi....it is factual so ill buy it for now..however..would kabuto be able to stand up to itachis susano's add on's like yata mirror or totsuka sword?
IF he can side step those issues i will agree that kabuto vs itachi 1v1 would win if itachi was not edo:shrug:

 

[soulreaper11]

kabuto= normal itachi without edo
kabuto with edo ouverkill itachi

 

[Deadai]

itachi still beat him the last time and if they did have to fight again itachi would find a way to take his hood off like the last time. kabuto doesn't even have oro dna in him anymore so........he's trash and fodder now

Itachi had assistance from Sasuke and Itachi was an edo

this is 1vs 1 and Itachi is alive none edo

So..? If Itachi where to take off Kabuto's hood he could simple do what he did last time and send out snakes twords him.

This is a battle when both sides are at there prime to keep it fair/ none biased and Kabuto in his prime had Orochimaru DNA. Even w/o Orochimaru DNA Kabuto still has SM + Manda 2(perhaps the largest summon there is) + 2 A rank water jutsu + medical ninjutsu.

You honestly don't know how to debate its rather sad.

 

[ixc]

The manga showed us that Itachi owned Kabuto why do people still believe that Kabuto can defeat Itachi haha what because he's an Edo? BULLSHIT... Itachi used Izanami to rape Kabuto, saying Kabuto killed Itachi twice doesn't mean shit because Itachi knew that he couldn't die, he obviously wouldn't be that reckless if he was mortal..
A non Edo Itachi would still own Kabuto because he would use Izanami again..

Itachi simply outbrains Kabuto end of story..

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Sasuke did nt play any key role in defeating Kabuto. It was just Itachi. He smart,strong clever nd capable. U have only told how Kabuto cn avoid Itachi. Bt i ask how the heck cn he defeat him. No matter what ppl tell, i will still believe Itachi>>Kabuto SM

 

[Deadai]

Sasuke did nt play any key role in defeating Kabuto. It was just Itachi. He smart,strong clever nd capable. U have only told how Kabuto cn avoid Itachi. Bt i ask how the heck cn he defeat him. No matter what ppl tell, i will still believe Itachi>>Kabuto SM

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Kabuto had Itachi beat on multiple occasions if it weren't for Sasuke's aid he would be under Kabuto's control again.

And you forget Itachi is alive this time round so he cant be as reackless as he did as an Edo taking hits.

Not to mention Kabuto has a counter for all of Itachi's jutsu the only ones that can defeat Kabuto are Sword of Totsuka and Izanami. And I will state how they to can be counterd.

Sword of Totsuka: Kabuto has shown the best evasive feats in the series as of yet being able to dodge Susanoo arrow with no dif which is faster then the swing of a giant blade. Also from what we have seen the Totsuka blade only seals what it can pierce which would give Itachi a hell of a time trying to do.

Izanami: Has a waiting periode of about 5 minutes(If I remember correctly) before activation and this time Itachi wont have Sasuke around to help delay Kabuto. With this being said Kabuto should be bale to kill Itachi befor the activation of Izanami. ​

 

[VongolaX]

Thats brcuz its not kabuto ,wat ur sayin is kabutomaru
(kabuto+oro) which can beat every akatsuki member

 

[10023213]

Itachi had assistance from Sasuke and Itachi was an edo

this is 1vs 1 and Itachi is alive none edo

So..? If Itachi where to take off Kabuto's hood he could simple do what he did last time and send out snakes twords him.

This is a battle when both sides are at there prime to keep it fair/ none biased and Kabuto in his prime had Orochimaru DNA. Even w/o Orochimaru DNA Kabuto still has SM + Manda 2(perhaps the largest summon there is) + 2 A rank water jutsu + medical ninjutsu.

You honestly don't know how to debate its rather sad.

just in case you didn't natice sasuke didn't do sh1t and itachi was the reason the won
its not kabutos prime if he has oro in him
all that other stuff you said is useless and i'm not really trying to debate it should be simple that kabuto can't beat itachi now hes garbage and from your avatar i'm guessing your a kabuto fan and thats why you insist on believing kabuto>itachi

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Both if you read the description of the two does the same thing, it takes away mobility. The only difference is that one is sound whilst the other is seal based. Now im not saying because itachi said kurenai's genjutsu, a B rank technique doesnt work on him and used Magen Kyo Tenchi-ten he couldve tried something similar because we dont know how that works against sound genjutsu, however though paralysed he was able to move his mouth and talk to both kabuto and sasuke. If he was able to move his mouth. The same way how kurenai was paralysed and still managed to bite her lip to cause pain. If he was able to talk, he can move his mouth and achieve the same thing that kurenai did thus breaking free due to pain

There is 1 thing i forgot though which is sage mode. Sage mode enhances all 3 forms of ninja art and gives them a boost and that is what wouldve made the illusion stronger. However a similar thing can be said about the cm2 and that is what stage Tayuya was in when she used this against shikamaru

EDIT: As for people saying izanami was an ass pull, so was DSM. Before the confrontation both parties thought this was itachi with all his abilities we knew when he was alive, against part 1 kabuto who was basically compared to part 1 kakashi who itachi soundly beat. Kishi took a turn and moulded kabuto as the ideal opponent due to info gathered and abilities on itachi and he even gave kabuto the environmental advantage. He later went against this and moulded kabuto as the ideal opponent for itachi and this was due to the situational use of izanami, something that was basically created for people like kabuto.

I however wouldnt call either an ass pull because as soon as jiraiya unleashed sm, it paved the way for other versions of sm. Similarly as soon as kishi started naming sharingan abilities due to the influence of japanese deities, a whole host of people had predicted these technique's and when izanagi was revealed it was only a matter of time until izanami came along

I am right in thinking that only a high level of pain, as in very high, breaks the genjutsu? Shikamaru wouldn't have broken his finger if he could have bitten his lip.

DSM > CM2

And oops, you defeated your own point, DSM was always in the ranks as soon as we saw Jiraiya's Sage Mode, (so was Slug Sage Mode, 3 sannin etc) so seeing that Kabuto had 'absorbed' Orochimaru, and had almost disappeared for a while (assumed research) it's not an ass pull for DSM to appear.

However, it was a massive ass pull for Izanami.

Live, healthy Itachi would still lose to Kabuto DSM. Did you explain how he'd kill Kabuto? May of missed it, but his regular techniques won't do shit


People saying Itachi already beat him haven't read the thread / understood the fight, so don't bother replying to them, and people purely going by "Itachi would outsmart him" don't actually have a reason why Itachi would win so they try to cling to whatever they can

 

[Deadai]

just in case you didn't natice sasuke didn't do sh1t and itachi was the reason the won
its not kabutos prime if he has oro in him
all that other stuff you said is useless and i'm not really trying to debate it should be simple that kabuto can't beat itachi now hes garbage and from your avatar i'm guessing your a kabuto fan and thats why you insist on believing kabuto>itachi

cheak my post above Sauske saved Itachi on 3 different occasions in which if he was not there Itachi would be under Kabuto's control again.

@ 2nd bold: So by that Logic

None of the Jinjariki's can be considerd prime because they have a demon in them.

You cant consider any of the sound 5 prime because they have curss mark assistance/Oro's help.

That way of thinking in terribly flawd. Kabuto was in control it was his prime.

Yes I am a Kabuto fan point? it does not make me bias this is just a simple match for him because he can counter all of what Itachi can dish out.

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[Vegeta]

Itachi kicked kabutos a$$ in the manga.

That was basically all the proof I needed. If he was better he would have won. End of story

 

[10023213]

cheak my post above Sauske saved Itachi on 3 different occasions in which if he was not there Itachi would be under Kabuto's control again.

@ 2nd bold: So by that Logic

None of the Jinjariki's can be considerd prime because they have a demon in them.

You cant consider any of the sound 5 prime because they have curss mark assistance/Oro's help.

That way of thinking in terribly flawd. Kabuto was in control it was his prime.

Yes I am a Kabuto fan point? it does not make me bias this is just a simple match for him because he can counter all of what Itachi can dish out.

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bro i don't care itachi beat him last time,sasuke didn't do sh1t, and thier both useless now because itachis dead and kabuto has no edo or oro dna.
s.t.f.u and hop off kabutos snake bro whatever chance kabuto did have is gone now but since your a kabuto fan you could never understand anything that i say but the truth is kabuto is burnt shit now

 

[Expulso]

Agree.

 

[jediknite2]

Fanboys are the lamest Kabuto wins 10 out of 10

 

[genii96]

manga says kabuto cut itachi in half twice,manga says that kabuto oneshotted them with sound genjutsu,manga showed kabuto easily overpowering edo itachi and ems sasuke at the same time,manga says edo itachi would hve been kabuto's puppet edo again if sasuke wasnt there.

So according to manga,kabuto>>>itachi

this basically sums it up,really itachi wankers are so retarded. Sm kabuto beats any form of itachi.U_U

 

[Capn FlapJak]

Its sad i used to love itachi b4 i found the base well i still respect him but sum of his fans have left him a bitter after taste for me.I cant think itachi without connecting him to sum of his more unsavoury fans
Really if u take itachis win in the manga as undeniable its like thinkin sasuke had beat itachi.There is plot its why kabuto didnt resummon edo madara and grab sum popcorn.Mind u i have always hated kabuto (dont get me started those glasses ugly ponytail his whole snake in the grass manner of being)but i gotta say in a 1on1 he win its as simple as clapping his hands.And im not degradein itachi great character very likeable (mayb too much)cause really kabuto beats every1 by clapping up edos.Dude can even beat edo madara wipe his mind so he cant do any habd signs then undo edo.I think only tobi with 10 tails defeat a prime kabuto.

 

[Deadai]

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bro i don't care itachi beat him last time,sasuke didn't do sh1t, and thier both useless now because itachis dead and kabuto has no edo or oro dna.
s.t.f.u and hop off kabutos snake bro whatever chance kabuto did have is gone now but since your a kabuto fan you could never understand anything that i say but the truth is kabuto is burnt shit now

That one line just proves how stubborn and closed minded you are to what other's have to say. You are just spewing the same nonsense over and over now if you where half the debater Blaze is I may listen to what you have to say. But all you have been posting is "Kabuto is weak Itachi already beat him LOL" try quoting me when you have a decent argument until then goodbye.​

 

[youngdolce]

If itachi wanted kabuto dead, kabuto would have been under genjutsu before he could counter. All those lackluster abilities were given to kabuto by kishi to compensate for his own lack of jutsu. It has been stated, kabuto will never be orochimaru. The most he could strive to be is support or a henchmen of the medical variety.

 

[Capn FlapJak]

That one line just proves how stubborn and closed minded you are to what other's have to say. You are just spewing the same nonsense over and over now if you where half the debater Blaze is I may listen to what you have to say. But all you have been posting is "Kabuto is weak Itachi already beat him LOL" try quoting me when you have a decent argument until then goodbye.​

baze is by far the most reasonable itachi fan(not fanboy) i seen he will defend him with great logic but wont pull the itachis IQ is over9000 he will find a way bull which reminds me i should rep him lol

 

[10023213]

That one line just proves how stubborn and closed minded you are to what other's have to say. You are just spewing the same nonsense over and over now if you where half the debater Blaze is I may listen to what you have to say. But all you have been posting is "Kabuto is weak Itachi already beat him LOL" try quoting me when you have a decent argument until then goodbye.​

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bro for the last time i wasn't trying to debate i was stating the same thing over and over that itachi beat kabuto the last time they fought therefor in my book he wins. and like a said before i don't give a damn about who wins because thier both useless now. you might not believe this but i actually liked kabuto before he loss edo and oro's dna now i don't like him because he's weak.
but you just keep trying to defend poor little kabuto but from now on he's useless.