Hiruzen no God of shinobi?

[Gaara]

Didn't Oro gain knowledge from kabuto about white zetsu clones all over sasuke . Who's to say he didn't gain jutsu knowledge aswell??

 

[Retsu]

Oro completely took away their will the first time

which means they were weaker and not at 100% strength, the same as Nagato, and any other edo being controlled

 

[Kages]

Now guys, let's see how Hashirama and Hiruzen react to a Tailed Beast Bomb.

Hiruzen, "not again!":

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Hashirama, that smile anticipating a "challenge", gives it right back in a rasengan-like manor, which provokes EMS Madara to activate the unstable form of Perfect Susanoo:

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That's not a fight.

Why are you comparing 57 year old Hiruzen to prime? It's obvious his prime is stronger

 

[Owarij]

Ok then why didnt Hashirama and Tobirama break free the first time? Didnt they want to? Did they want to be used to destroy their village?

Because they had wind wiping kunai in their brains

Viz , oro telling them he doesn't intend on controlling them like that

Orochimaru: "Please do not misunderstand... I don't have any more leanings in that direction.
That's why I didn't suppress your personalities, see?

You can't even think to resist edo tensei if your mind is completely cleansed..

 

[Fecal Matter]

which means they were weaker and not at 100% strength, the same as Nagato, and any other edo being controlled

I see what you did there brah. The argument will never end until someone starts flaming and the mod closes this thread.

 

[Talal]

Now guys, let's see how Hashirama and Hiruzen react to a Tailed Beast Bomb.

Hiruzen, "not again!":

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Hashirama, that smile anticipating a "challenge", gives it right back in a rasengan-like manor, which provokes EMS Madara to activate the unstable form of Perfect Susanoo:

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That's not a fight.

That's a dumb argument. Hashirama can deal with bijuu better no one denies that.

 

[Kages]

That's a dumb argument. Hashirama can deal with bijuu better no one denies that.

Well yeah ABC logic doesn't work

 

[From the Dark Spire]

Oro used edo tensei befor he transferred into zetsu's body.

And? You do know that when Tobirama tried to escape, he clearly just said that Orochimaru USED hashi's cells to ENHANCE the restraints on him. I don't see what you're trying to argue here.

 

[Exaar]

And? You do know that when Tobirama tried to escape, he clearly just said that Orochimaru USED hashi's cells to ENHANCE the restraints on him. I don't see what you're trying to argue here.

You basically answered you own question.

He is using hashirama's cells to strengthen the restraints, not Edo tensei it's-self.

 

[LegendaryAce]

So what if he fought Madara and the Kyuubi?

Hashirama is like the perfect counter to Madara. Also, that was EMS Madara he might have been around Sasuke's level for all we know, and the Kyuubi is almost irrelevant since Hashirama's Wood style completely counters the bijuu. ABC logic does apply and strongly in this case. That being said I do think that Hashirama is stronger after the latest chapters.

EMS madara will not be at the level of sasuke why?

EMS madara has his ems longer practised with it and fought alot with it ( dont forget they had alot of fight before the final one)
and fighting the kyuubi and ems madara (with ps) at the same time with little to no help at all is an amazing feat, mokuton doesnt completely counter kyuubi it supresses it making it weaker but it can still chuck tbbs.

EMS madara is one of the strongest people and the strongest uchiha, while hashirama is one of the strongest if not the strongest...


( with the case of hiruzen - he was hailed as the god of shinobi in his prime only.)
hashirama is a god of shinobi - not yet stated when he received this title but for suigetsu to know must have been for a long time and is a well known story.

on the case of hashirama being stronger than hiruzen ...i would say yes he is why? hiruzen has not counter for most of hashirama's arsenal its just too much for him...you can say he has 1000 jutsu...but dont forget hashirama has that feat as well.

 

[From the Dark Spire]

You basically answered you own question.

He is using hashirama's cells to strengthen the restraints, not Edo tensei it's-self.

I'm not asking any questions dude. What are you talking about? Did you really forget that YOU were asking the questions?

You asked how Oro could've made edo tensei stronger, after being sealed in sasuke, then Itachi's sword and all that bullsh*t.

I'm basically answering you that maybe the zetsu could've enhanced his restraints and what not. Do you not understand?

 

[Owarij]

I'm basically answering you that maybe the zetsu could've enhanced his restraints and what not. Do you not understand?

We aren't arguing about the restraints..
The real argument was that in part 1, the edos did not come back at full power

which would imply an imperfect edo tensei.. contradictory to manga statements...


It is fact that oro's restraining properties have been increased by jumping into a zetsu body

 

[LegendaryAce]

Oro completely took away their will the first time

You know whats funny about this?

You used to use this as the arguement for hiruzen being stronger than hashirama and tobirama saying he beat him so it means than hiruzen > hashirama.


to the other guys didnt they mean they were weaker because they were being told exacly what to do? but this time they control themselves ? just wondering

 

[Kages]

You know whats funny about this?

You used to use this as the arguement for hiruzen being stronger than hashirama and tobirama saying he beat him so it means than hiruzen > hashirama.

And? So what, they were near if not perfected the first time

 

[Omnipotent]

That's a dumb argument. Hashirama can deal with bijuu better no one denies that.

It wasn't an argument, really. Just reminding how they react to a biju/Tailed Beast Bomb.

Why are you comparing 57 year old Hiruzen to prime? It's obvious his prime is stronger

And? For you to say that Hiruzen would have any response to Kurama's Tailed Beast Bomb, you'd have to assume that he would be strong enough to do so.

 

[MrSimple]

So6p- god
Madara- god
Hashirama- god
Hiruzen- god
Nagato- god

You chose.

 

[Retsu]

You know whats funny about this?

You used to use this as the arguement for hiruzen being stronger than hashirama and tobirama saying he beat him so it means than hiruzen > hashirama.

I agree that is hilarious.

 

[Kages]

It wasn't an argument, really. Just reminding how they react to a biju/Tailed Beast Bomb.



And? For you to say that Hiruzen would have any response to Kurama's Tailed Beast Bomb, you'd have to assume that he would be strong enough to do so.

Kurama obviously beats Hiruzen by feats but we haven't seen what he can do yet

 

[LegendaryAce]

Kurama obviously beats Hiruzen by feats but we haven't seen what he can do yet

tsunade has more feats aswell.

 

[Kages]

tsunade has more feats aswell.

I agree Tsunade beats Hiruzen by feats but barely