Hiruzen > Madara

[Bogard]

Nope.. That was 57 year old Hiruzen. Lol. Prime Hiruzen is way younger I'm guessing.

I seriously doubt this because:
1- Orochimaru said 10years younger Hiruzen could have defeat him, which means 10years younger Hiruzen was probably at his strongest or close of it

2- Enma also was surprised to see a Hiruzen that weak even going as far as to say it was nothing like him, but we know Hiruzen used Enma to fight the nine tails so Enma is the perfect one to judge Hiruzen's state and he was like i've said extremly surprised against Orochimaru, but wasn't against Kyubi as if there is a dramatical different between the 2Hiruzens

3- 56Old Hiruzen should not be weakened when we see how strong the sannins are/were at around the same age(they are/were 55), when we see how strong Onoki is when he is even much more older than Hiruzen

4- 30years old Kakashi was called "young" by the council member and because of that they hesitated to give him the Hokage position. Someone else said "minato was even younger". What i found weird about it is that no reference concerning Hiruzen was made as if Hiruzen became Hokage while being older or at the same age as Kakashi. So if 30years old is young and 56 years old is old for you, who is prime hiruzen? And how long Prime Hiruzen really existed?

 

[Cromatic]

PROOF. Argue with this, fanboys!

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This ^ .. It was stated by the writer Kishimoto himself.. It is the solid proof.

 

[Draphsin]

Tell me what counter hiruzen has for this

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[repulse]

Susano'o is the users chakra correct? RDS seals things. If the sealing jutsu comes into contact with the users chakra (Susano'o) then that half or portion of their chakra is sealed within RDS never returning back to them. (Like the Kyuubi's Yin chakra).

Yes, it does. Ahh, but it would only seal the chakra that is being used to manifest PS. Since you are referring to the sealing of the Kyuubi''s Yin chakra, Minato could only seal a part of it correct? So, can we both agree that PS is a MASSIVE amount of chakra in a fixed form? If so, Hiruzen will possibly end up dying by attempting to seal Madara's PS away.

Minato could not seal the Kyuubi because it was too large a mass of chakra to do so, and he then states that he will seal it within Naruto to give him a power boost in the future. Madara's PS is comparable to a Bijuu, so we can assume that it would not be a simple feat for Hiruzen to seal PS away.

 

[DrProof]

Yes, it does. Ahh, but it would only seal the chakra that is being used to manifest PS. Since you are referring to the sealing of the Kyuubi''s Yin chakra, Minato could only seal a part of it correct? So, can we both agree that PS is a MASSIVE amount of chakra in a fixed form? If so, Hiruzen will possibly end up dying by attempting to seal Madara's PS away.

Minato could not seal the Kyuubi because it was too large a mass of chakra to do so, and he then states that he will seal it within Naruto to give him a power boost in the future. Madara's PS is comparable to a Bijuu, so we can assume that it would not be a simple feat for Hiruzen to seal PS away.

Correct. However, that is where Multiple Clone RDS comes into play.

 

[Draphsin]

This ^ .. It was stated by the writer Kishimoto himself.. It is the solid proof.

lol you want some solid proof from kishi himself? well here you go...

"Question: The legendary ninja is now immortal, does Madara Uchiha have any weakness?
Kishimoto-sensei: All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Madara does not."

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So according to kishi even the strongest ninja (including hiruzen and hashirama) have weaknesses, however edo madara does not

 

[hixa kuogame]

I couldn't read much of this post to be honest. Anyhow to address the bold. We aren't sure RDS can't penetrate Susano'o from your perspective..

Susano'o is a pure chakra coating the users body correct? Why wouldn't a chakra based sealing jutsu (RDS) be able to seal the chakra used to make susano'o? After all the users chakra is displayed while performing the technique correct? So if RDS was used on Susano'o wouldn't Madara's chakra be sealed within the Death Reaper?

thats a good point but its not like you can just cheat the reaper death seal with shadow clones and those clones wouldnt last a second against susanoo espicially when there so whimsical and fragile compared to madaras wood clones which dont disperse from light contact. but if were going by ems only madara maybe he does have a chance but its low

 

[Cromatic]

Hiruzen's prime should be from age 10-50 ...

 

[repulse]

Correct. However, that is where Multiple Clone RDS comes into play.

The thing is, each clone does not have their own source of chakra. The original Hiruzen's chakra is divided evenly among the amount of clones he creates. It would not make any difference if he were to create clones for the technique.

 

[jmnaruto12]

Honestly, I think hurizen was the strongest kage of his generation. Thats all

 

[Erin]

That's debatable. Want me to go into detail how he is able to survive the said techniques?

Yes . . . . . .

 

[hixa kuogame]

lol you want some solid proof from kishi himself? well here you go...

"Question: The legendary ninja is now immortal, does Madara Uchiha have any weakness?
Kishimoto-sensei: All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Madara does not."

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So according to kishi even the strongest ninja (including hiruzen and hashirama) have weaknesses, however edo madara does not

wow did u read #4 sasuke is gonna go to the battle field and its confirmed hopefully with the edo hokages

 

[Cromatic]

lol you want some solid proof from kishi himself? well here you go...

"Question: The legendary ninja is now immortal, does Madara Uchiha have any weakness?
Kishimoto-sensei: All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Madara does not."

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So according to kishi even the strongest ninja (including hiruzen and hashirama) have weaknesses, however edo madara does not

Well it was taken in a wrong manner, he possess all sorts of release except for Lightning release, which is why you can say he can counter almost every sort of Element, Like Water against Fire, Earth against Lightning .. If he had no weakness how exactly Hashirama actually defeated him? It is about being stronger .. Madara might not have weaknesses but the strongest ninja can still defeat him.

 

[Bogard]

lol you want some solid proof from kishi himself? well here you go...

"Question: The legendary ninja is now immortal, does Madara Uchiha have any weakness?
Kishimoto-sensei: All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Madara does not."

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So according to kishi even the strongest ninja (including hiruzen and hashirama) have weaknesses, however edo madara does not

Having no weak point =/= from being unbeatable. You can have no weak points and not being the best in every disciplines. The Madara who has no weak point is mentioned

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. It doesn't mean that young Madara was unbeatable. Or do you think he was?

 

[iFlowMotion]

No, Only Hashi can beat madara and vice versa

 

[Yellow Spark]

Narutobase has become a place to make impossible happen. Take this thread for instance.

 

[Draphsin]

Well it was taken in a wrong manner, he possess all sorts of release except for Lightning release, which is why you can say he can counter almost every sort of Element, Like Water against Fire, Earth against Lightning .. If he had no weakness how exactly Hashirama actually defeated him? It is about being stronger .. Madara might not have weaknesses but the strongest ninja can still defeat him.

Having no weak point =/= from being unbeatable. You can have no weak points and not being the best in every disciplines. The Madara who has no weak point is mentioned

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. It doesn't mean that young Madara was unbeatable. Or do you think he was?

You're both missing the point. Kishi stated himself that edo madara is the only shinobi without any weaknesses. Hiruzen has no weaknesses to exploit, while madara has many, hiruzens old age and inferiority with katon are just a few...

 

[H a n]

O________________________________________________________________________________________ O We barely even seen this old man fight and yall claiming he is the shiz? Oh so what he defeated two kages that were not even controlling their own bodies? If all 3 of them did not fight eachother on equal grounds then get that trash out of here. I don't like Madara much or at all but if this could happen to 3rd kage by just fighting 2 corpse and an Oro, then he would stand no chance to a Madara in his prime. - w - Lord. Can't even compare 3rd kage to the first 2 because they grew up in the war(tougher times.). Lol. Like comparing Bruce Lee to Jet Lee. Pointless.

 

[MinatoKunzu]

there is no way hiruzen could beat madara

 

[Flawž]

This ^ .. It was stated by the writer Kishimoto himself.. It is the solid proof.

Fake copy,

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This is the real one.

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