TrollingSage
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They're hailed as the best. So Hiruzen is a God of shinobi but Hashirama and Nidaime are better than gods.
hiruzen is not the strongest hokage... proof
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Urda
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What is people debating about? I just looked at the title and glance at a few post. Hurizen >=< Hashirama is all I see. Then a few posts of Edo Tensei and this and that. Yeah. I thought I would help clear things up.... Yup. -Leaves >_>
Your correct in saying I do believe he is the strongest hokage. I've only stated the revived shinobi can use their original techniques since that's what it says in the manga to their full potential, have unlimited chakra, and whether or not they are controlled doesn't matter. I didn't state nor imply anything otherwise. Please stop misinterpreting the manga and saying I said things that I never did. It simply shows poor debate skills.
Yet Hiruzen is hailed as the strongest of the hokage's along with being the God of Shinobi. The God of Shinobi is better then the best shinobi because he is God lol. I believe in the Viz scan it states they are the best of their generations though.
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TrollingSage
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A greater god?Maybe someone who's power is so great people don't believe it when they hear about it, despite said people witnessing the power of a god?
Not necessarily. That hype implies that Hashirama and Tobirama are simply better than gods.
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Not really.
Look in the Nb translation, There are two Speach bubbles.
The right one basically Saying "It wasn't going to be easy" and start of his statement, The left one Talking about Hiruzen and finnishing his statement
It's the left bubble we have in this scan (The important one), The bubble that is left out in this Viz scan is the beginning of his statement.
Alright, you believe that Sarutobi is the strongest Hokage to have existed. Then explain how, despite not having a problem believing in Hiruzen's 'God of Shinobi', 'Strongest Hokage-like' strength, the majority of people wrote off Hashirama's (in your opinion, weaker) strength as a fairytale [
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TrollingSage
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And yet despite witnessing Hiruzen's immense power, they saw Hashirama's strength as something that is impossible to achieve and labelled it as fairytail. (excuse the pun). Oh btw the sage of six paths is also regarded as a fairy tale, same as Hashirama. This proves Hiruzen's title "god of shinobi" was given to him out of pure ignorance
I personally believe he was written off because he could control bijuu's and literally created Konoha's foundation. No other shinobi can do what he did in those regards. However he wasn't given the same nick name as the Sage of Six paths who is stronger then Hashirama. Hiruzen was given that nick name.
2-Its been showcased in the manga control or no control does not influence anything
Well i wouldn't say Butthurt, But people seem very determined to Ignore/Bash Hiruzen's hype (Mainly People who are siding on hashirama's side).
They also throw claims of Kishi "changing his mind since part one", Or Failing to understand iruka's statement by saying "Iruka is weak thus his statement isn't a valid source" and so on.
I'm just here to debate that Even though his hype was based in Part 1, That is still stands even in part 2 of the manga and that it's not completely impossible for him to be on Hashi's level given said hype.
The sage of six paths is regarded as a myth not a fairy tale. So its different then Hashirama. People didn't want to believe that hashirama had such power while people didn't believe that the Sage could do anything like what's been told. Point being the nick name of the sage of six paths is a greater honor then fairy tale.
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Once again, "many" is not "most". In no way can it be concluded that the majority of people didn't believe his powers, in fact, the majority thought it was nothing special...at least compared to Hiruzen.
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I like how Exaar always takes into what Iruka said.. but ignores what the Anbu and Dan and Madara said. And then says most Hashirama fans to bash on Iruka saying "Hiruzen was said to be the strongest Hokage".. Yet that comment was automatically countered by the Anbu during the fight.. when they stated the first and the second hokage are the best shinobi.
Exaar I also like how you say we don't understand what Iruka said.. but in the end it is you and other hiruzen fans who don't understand what he said. He stated that, Hiruzen was "said" to be the strongest hokage... 'said' is not 'considered'... And the "god of shinobi". hmm once a god of shinobi always a god of shinobi.. your prime or w.e shouldn't affect you.. ;]
Exaar I also like how you say we don't understand what Iruka said.. but in the end it is you and other hiruzen fans who don't understand what he said. He stated that, Hiruzen was "said" to be the strongest hokage... 'said' is not 'considered'... And the "god of shinobi". hmm once a god of shinobi always a god of shinobi.. your prime or w.e shouldn't affect you.. ;]
Sarutobi counters his masters? how?. He was a child , when Hashirama was alive...Hashirama is on a whole different level then Sarutobi mate. Sarutobi's suicide tech is not a counter...
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Urda
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OK.... (=_=? Um. Read like the first lines of the main post. Kabuto and Orchimaru tailsman were different. It says so in the manga. It never stated full-power or not. Its, basically a theory debate or something. Why is this a debate which determines Hurizens strength and title? Change the tittle.
TrollingSage
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So what? What's your point. Myth or fairytale the point they're both considered to be untrue.
Btw Nagato was also considered to be God by his people. You know the same creepy cripple that got fodderized by Naruto and later Itachi.
What do you mean its never stated full power? The Edo's can use all their original techniques, have displayed that no matter the control their battle style doesn't change, and have unlimited chakra. Its actually superior to being alive. Although the debate I'm having is to determine the strength at which hiruzen fought Hashirama and Tobirama.