Establishing why FTG laughs at (E)MS techniques

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Itachi has no contact with Sasanoo
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How can KCM improves FTG...?



Amaterasu is not Instant death and Minato can escape Amaterasu pretty easily...

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Dude, Kishi is inconsistent.

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I see Itachi inside Susano'o.
 

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What stops him from sending a chakra charged kunai to connect or a clone?
I hope you're not implying that kunai will somehow connect his chakra to Susano'o... are you?

Minato can use Shadow Clone :rolleyes:

After he showed that Jutsu he became more OP U_U

Clearly Minato's Kage Bunshin makes him incredibly stronger, but its clear that a Kage Bunshin would not be able to get close to Sasuke's Susano'o without having it already marked. Mere Kage Bunshin could not get past his Amaterasu, even Yondaime Raikage, the former fastest Shunsin user, could not. [ ]

And before you pull scans of Naruto's Kage Bunshin, Naruto's Kage Bunshin is stronger than Minato's by far seeing as he can put more strength into a Kage Bunshin than that of [alive] Minato.
 

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I hope you're not implying that kunai will somehow connect his chakra to Susano'o... are you?



Clearly Minato's Kage Bunshin makes him incredibly stronger, but its clear that a Kage Bunshin would not be able to get close to Sasuke's Susano'o without having it already marked. Mere Kage Bunshin could not get past his Amaterasu, even Yondaime Raikage, the former fastest Shunsin user, could not. [ ]

And before you pull scans of Naruto's Kage Bunshin, Naruto's Kage Bunshin is stronger than Minato's by far seeing as he can put more strength into a Kage Bunshin than that of [alive] Minato.
This is exactly what i want to see! Bogard once said that Minato can bypass and get inside Susanoo! So don't even question that thought, dude!
 

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I'm not talking about Itachi's Susanoo fail.
Words of someone who has no logic ...

Susanoo can be seperated from it's user as well as Susanoo has no contact with it's user Regardless of wether it is Itachi or Sasuke .....


Dude, Kishi is inconsistent.

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I see Itachi inside Susano'o.
I can also see Itachi inside Susanoo this proves nothing....Susanoo user can be seperated from Susanoo manga fact
 

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Words of someone who has no logic ...

Susanoo can be seperated from it's user as well as Susanoo has no contact with it's user Regardless of wether it is Itachi or Sasuke .....




I can also see Itachi inside Susanoo this proves nothing....Susanoo user can be seperated from Susanoo manga fact
Don't question me with Susanoo. I wasn't talking about it, moron!
 

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FTG is a shitty ass move to us against an Uchiha. Lord Sasuke and Solo King Itachi solos Minato no difficulty. I'm more so speaking for Lord Sasuke.
Blablabla bla bla bla. Speak in english, Ok? :|
Wrong. If you know where an FTG user is going to jump, you can counter attack via Amaterasu. It's already been proven too many times in this manga.
And what is the point of it considering my thread? Like i've said, whether it touches them or not, it would be useless since FTG user can decide what to teleport, so they can simply warp away from the flames if they want regardless if they are in contact with it or not, again proved when th rasen-enton touched Minato, yet it did nothing to him


^ Here, you see Sasuke is completely covered in chakra.


^ Now, Sasuke's back is only omitting Chakra from his back.


^ Last, it seems the Chakra omitting from his back is beginning to lower.
There is no inconsistency. You simply analyses things bad. On the first pic, it's the chakra color of Susanoo that make it seems as if the chakra was connected to Sasuke from an external point of view. It's basically as if you were seeing a pencil inside a black bottle. Would you even see the pencil at all? But is the pencil really connected to the bottle? No

By some chance an FTG user does teleport the Susano'o, what exactly would that do? He can simply activate it again. Since a Susano'o user was able to activate one faster than lightning by the time the FTG user reappear, Susano'o will be back to blast his ass.
Read the thread man. Obito's chakra orbs are surrounding him exactly like Susanoo chakra

It's just a shroud surrounding his body, so basically it works the same way like Obito's chakra orbs surrounding his body, and like you can notice, when Tobirama teleported Obito, the orbs at the moment, despite the described by Minato. It only when it lost Obito's track and when he was already hit by the attack(admittedly the attack happened instantly in this case).
Like Minato stated the attack and defense is fast as demonstrated, and it's faster by far than the instance when a Susanoo user deactivate and reactivate his technique

Susanoo users can't bring it back directly. They need to deactivate it and reactivate it once again in order to work. It has been established in a lot of instances like against Gaara. Reason why after Gaara seperated Madara from his Susanoo, he couldn't bring it back and was almost killed if not rinnengan
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He needed to deactivate it later( ) before reactivating it

Another example was during the fight between Madara and Hashirama. When Hashirama , he couldn't reactivate it and

When the Susanoo chakra is active, Susanoo users need to deactivate and reactivate it once again in order for it to work
 

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Blablabla bla bla bla. Speak in english, Ok? :|
And what is the point of it considering my thread? Like i've said, whether it touches them or not, it would be useless since FTG user can decide what to teleport, so they can simply warp away from the flames if they want regardless if they are in contact with it or not, again proved when th rasen-enton touched Minato, yet it did nothing to him

There is no inconsistency. You simply analyses things bad. On the first pic, it's the chakra color of Susanoo that make it seems as if the chakra was connected to Sasuke from an external point of view. It's basically as if you were seeing a pencil inside a black bottle. Would you even see the pencil at all? But is the pencil really connected to the bottle? No

Read the thread man. Obito's chakra orbs are surrounding him exactly like Susanoo chakra



Like Minato stated the attack and defense is fast as demonstrated, and it's faster by far than the instance when a Susanoo user deactivate and reactivate his technique

Susanoo users can't bring it back directly. They need to deactivate it and reactivate it once again in order to work. It has been established in a lot of instances like against Gaara. Reason why after Gaara seperated Madara from his Susanoo, he couldn't bring it back and was almost killed if not rinnengan
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He needed to deactivate it later( ) before reactivating it

Another example was during the fight between Madara and Hashirama. When Hashirama , he couldn't reactivate it and

When the Susanoo chakra is active, Susanoo users need to deactivate and reactivate it once again in order for it to work
No one believe this bullshit but you, Bogard!
 

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This only applies to Itachi, not any other Susano'o user. Sasuke can simply coat his Susano'o in Amaterasu and Madara's is far too large for him to come in contact with.
 

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I hope you're not implying that kunai will somehow connect his chakra to Susano'o... are you?
Depends what you mean by connect. But if you really think that a kunai can't touch Susanoo(even for an instant), then i'm hopeless. You know that only a chakra touch is needed for the teleportation to happen, right?

Another thread regarding Hitler's golden boy.

Dat Bogard.
Haha thanks. Minato's golden hair ftw :cool:

This only applies to Itachi, not any other Susano'o user. Sasuke can simply coat his Susano'o in Amaterasu and Madara's is far too large for him to come in contact with.
That would have been true if we didn't know FTG users can teleport anything connected to their chakra as well, so they don't need contact if they flow chakra range attacks
 

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Depends what you mean by connect. But if you really think that a kunai can't touch Susanoo(even for an instant), then i'm hopeless. You know that only a chakra touch is needed for the teleportation to happen, right?
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I understand the mechanics of the Hiraishin kunais and the fact that contact with Susano'o would allow for Minato to reach it, however, you should understand that Sasuke can manipulate Amaterasu in the form of Enton which would effectively negate any kunais to touch his Susano'o, and his reaction speed will in fact allow him to burn the kunais, shown by him reacting to Yondaime Raikage, who is much faster than any kunai Minato can throw. [ ]

Sasuke's Susano'o will not be teleported by Minato.
 

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Hmmm...

Will agree to the Amaterasu argument though it still remains subject to whether or not Namikaze is aware of something being in contact with his body or not. The Susanoo's chakra is connected to the user, it is why Danzo's Fuuton had an effect on sasuke despite being encased with Susano'o. As for your scan, Obito broke through V1 Susanoo's defenses with shear physical prowess [ ]. Even if Minato was able to teleport the surrounding Susano'o he would go along with it making the notion pointless as the user would effortlessly resurface it. Alternately the user could allow the Susano'o or the portion to be touched by Minato to take it's ethereal form to avoid it from being teleported. Misleading title.
 

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I understand the mechanics of the Hiraishin kunais and the fact that contact with Susano'o would allow for Minato to reach it, however, you should understand that Sasuke can manipulate Amaterasu in the form of Enton which would effectively negate any kunais to touch his Susano'o, and his reaction speed will in fact allow him to burn the kunais, shown by him reacting to Yondaime Raikage, who is much faster than any kunai Minato can throw. [ ]

Sasuke's Susano'o will not be teleported by Minato.
The Amaterasu burning process it slow when the flames are left on their own exactly like it's the case when Enton is used. It's when the user focuses on a target by using more and more chakra that the burning process increases. It's for that reason that the black flames left by Itachi's amaterasu did practically nothing other than staying on the surface of Jiraya's summon before he sealed it: It's for that reason that the amaterasu black flames did practically nothing when it was on Raikage's arm despite the fact he continued fighting Sasuke for a while.

It's for that reason that even the fodder samurai despite having being caught by the technique during a long while, came out of it with practically no injuries at all. It's for that reason that Nagato even after a long discussion between Itachi, Naruto and Bee for almost an entire chapter came out of it with only a burned arm in the end, and so on. The black flames themselves when they are left on their own burn fairly slowly, too slow to really think that a thrown kunai that would pass through the black flammes during an instant would be burned in the process when the flames have never shown such a high burning rate even minutes later after touching a target.

We've even seen fire techniques where kunais were involved either with Sasuke in part1 most likely or Itachi against Bee and it never burned kunais, exactly like Amaterasu didn't burn through the fodder Samura's armor which is made with a similar material

Will show manga scans if needed ;)

Hmmm...

Will agree to the Amaterasu argument though it still remains subject to whether or not Namikaze is aware of something being in contact with his body or not. The Susanoo's chakra is connected to the user, it is why Danzo's Fuuton had an effect on sasuke despite being encased with Susano'o. As for your scan, Obito broke through V1 Susanoo's defenses with shear physical prowess [ ]. Even if Minato was able to teleport the surrounding Susano'o he would go along with it making the notion pointless as the user would effortlessly resurface it. Alternately the user could allow the Susano'o or the portion to be touched by Minato to take it's ethereal form to avoid it from being teleported. Misleading title.
Minato isn't forced to go along with the objects he wants to teleport. It has been established since a while now when he teleported Hiruzen, Tobirama and himself in 3different markings at the same time or when he warped his own clone to his location. Other than that nice to know you approve
 

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And what is the point of it considering my thread? Like i've said, whether it touches them or not, it would be useless since FTG user can decide what to teleport, so they can simply warp away from the flames if they want regardless if they are in contact with it or not, again proved when th rasen-enton touched Minato, yet it did nothing to him
Are you serious? Are really serious right now? Dude.. Minato was Edo Tensei corpse, it did not matter whether he was hit or not. Hell.. Minato himself said.
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There is no inconsistency. You simply analyses things bad. On the first pic, it's the chakra color of Susanoo that make it seems as if the chakra was connected to Sasuke from an external point of view. It's basically as if you were seeing a pencil inside a black bottle. Would you even see the pencil at all? But is the pencil really connected to the bottle? No
You're trying to compare those Black Orbs to Susano'o. While they may share the same concept of the ultimate defense and offense, they are not the same. We don't even know what those Black Orbs are.

Pulling Madara out of his Susano'o does not equal teleporting Susano'o away.

I'm sure you can pull Naruto out of BM Fox Cloak if Naruto's feet was standing under sand.

Look at this scan, you can see Sasuke's body lowering the Susano'o, from the ribs to the chakra covered body:
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What more do you need to know that their body is cover in chakra?
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The Amaterasu burning process it slow when the flames are left on their own exactly like it's the case when Enton is used. It's when the user focuses on a target by using more and more chakra that the burning process increases. It's for that reason that the black flames left by Itachi's amaterasu did practically nothing other than staying on the surface of Jiraya's summon before he sealed it: It's for that reason that the amaterasu black flames did practically nothing when it was on Raikage's arm despite the fact he continued fighting Sasuke for a while.

It's for that reason that even the fodder samurai despite having being caught by the technique during a long while, came out of it with practically no injuries at all. It's for that reason that Nagato even after a long discussion between Itachi, Naruto and Bee for almost an entire chapter came out of it with only a burned arm in the end, and so on. The black flames themselves when they are left on their own burn fairly slowly, too slow to really think that a thrown kunai that would pass through the black flammes during an instant would be burned in the process when the flames have never shown such a high burning rate even minutes later after touching a target.

We've even seen fire techniques where kunais were involved either with Sasuke in part1 most likely or Itachi against Bee and it never burned kunais, exactly like Amaterasu didn't burn through the fodder Samura's armor which is made with a similar material

Will show manga scans if needed ;)
Gimme a break! So you're basically trying to prove him by saying that Minato can deal with Sasuke as well? Bogard stop being foolish! Amaterasu is no ordinary Katon! The temperature in Amaterasu surpasses Kanton jutsus by a large margin. By the time the Kunai makes it to Sasuke it will turn into dust. Sasuke also can use Enton Magatama to deflect the projectiles! Sasuke can use his Kunais as well. Goodness what a fanboy you have become Bogard!
 
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Approval..?

Amaterasu is the only valid argument here, as I said, misleading title.
 

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Approval..?

Amaterasu is the only valid argument here, as I said, misleading title.
You said it yourself in your latest post. When Minato is aware of something. In that case it clearly wasn't the case. There is no misleading title since you didn't counter my Susanoo point as well
 
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