Establishing why FTG laughs at (E)MS techniques

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Gaara's sand was able to separate Susanoo from its user, I don't see why Hiraishin can't do the same. If the connection was how people made it seem it was like then there is no way Madara would have been pulled out of Susanoo, the Susanoo would have been pulled with him, regardless of Gaara holding it down or not, cause they supposedly have this firm connection according to some people.

X was separated from Y so vice versa should be possible.
 

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@T Bogard, I like the fact that you keep ignoring my posts. This just shows that your IQ level isn't that good at all. See what i did there? The same kid that you called his IQ piss poor early on is having retribution. You're full of cowardice and it shows based on how you neglect to reply me. I'm fine because this just proves that you can't handle yourself against me. I would be jealous of myself, too. You're a Minato fanboy and i just find it laughable how you target other fanboys in this site! You can have an opinion about Minato, but the rest cant have an opinion about other characters? What a hypocrite! Minato can't do half of what you list on all your threads!
 

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@T Bogard, I like the fact that you keep ignoring my posts. This just shows that your IQ level isn't that good at all. See what i did there? The same kid that you called his IQ piss poor early on is having retribution. You're full of cowardice and it shows based on how you neglect to reply me. I'm fine because this just proves that you can't handle yourself against me. I would be jealous of myself, too. You're a Minato fanboy and i just find it laughable how you target other fanboys in this site! You can have an opinion about Minato, but the rest cant have an opinion about other characters? What a hypocrite! Minato can't do half of what you list on all your threads!
Sorry but i don't want to be banned for insult or flame that could occure if i were to reply to the number of stupidity you post every seconds ;)
 

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The Amaterasu burning process it slow when the flames are left on their own exactly like it's the case when Enton is used. It's when the user focuses on a target by using more and more chakra that the burning process increases. It's for that reason that the black flames left by Itachi's amaterasu did practically nothing other than staying on the surface of Jiraya's summon before he sealed it: It's for that reason that the amaterasu black flames did practically nothing when it was on Raikage's arm despite the fact he continued fighting Sasuke for a while.

It's for that reason that even the fodder samurai despite having being caught by the technique during a long while, came out of it with practically no injuries at all. It's for that reason that Nagato even after a long discussion between Itachi, Naruto and Bee for almost an entire chapter came out of it with only a burned arm in the end, and so on. The black flames themselves when they are left on their own burn fairly slowly, too slow to really think that a thrown kunai that would pass through the black flammes during an instant would be burned in the process when the flames have never shown such a high burning rate even minutes later after touching a target.

We've even seen fire techniques where kunais were involved either with Sasuke in part1 most likely or Itachi against Bee and it never burned kunais, exactly like Amaterasu didn't burn through the fodder Samura's armor which is made with a similar material

Will show manga scans if needed ;)
You do not understand my point...

Sasuke can use Amaterasu in a much more effective way than normal Katon and Amaterasu, in the form of Enton: Kagutsuchi.

Sasuke can use Amaterasu in the form of Yasaka Magatama and burn the kunais to the crisp as it is a much higher volume of Amaterasu compared to the normal jutsu. Zetsu were burnt in the torso [ ] and soon after their entire bodies were engulfed in Amaterasu. [ ]

Mere kunai [which are indeed smaller in volume than Zetsu] can not survive being burnt to a crisp by Sasuke's Yasaka Magatama.
 

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You do not understand my point...

Sasuke can use Amaterasu in a much more effective way than normal Katon and Amaterasu, in the form of Enton: Kagutsuchi.

Sasuke can use Amaterasu in the form of Yasaka Magatama and burn the kunais to the crisp as it is a much higher volume of Amaterasu compared to the normal jutsu. Zetsu were burnt in the torso [ ] and soon after their entire bodies were engulfed in Amaterasu. [ ]

Mere kunai [which are indeed smaller in volume than Zetsu] can not survive being burnt to a crisp by Sasuke's Yasaka Magatama.
Amaterasu took it's sweet time burning through Karin's cloak, Minato only needs an instant.

This thread was a pretty good read, I thought the points were solid.
 

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Sorry but i don't want to be banned for insult or flame that could occure if i were to reply to the number of stupidity you post every seconds ;)
See all bark with empty words! Minato bypassing Susanoo is the most stupidest thing i've ever seen in a thread! Guess who wrote that bit of information, you, Bogard! Your sentence sound equally as stupid as your thread! Just admit you're a fanboy it will do the rest of us a favor! Well i don't need you to admit to me that you're a fanboy because you're one by default. Thirsty, Bogard? Huff, Huff, Huff.
 

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You said it yourself in your latest post. When Minato is aware of something. In that case it clearly wasn't the case. There is no misleading title since you didn't counter my Susanoo point as well


You don't follow? :blush:

-> Fact: If Minato is unaware of something in physical contact to his body he teleports along with it [ ]

Your claim:

Minato isn't forced to go along with the objects he wants to teleport.


-> Fact: The Susanoo's chakra is connected to the user, it is why Danzo's Fuuton had an effect on sasuke despite being encased with Susano'o [ ] Obito broke through V1 Susanoo's defenses with shear physical prowess [ ]
Your speculation:

T Bogard said:
I personally believe Susanoo user aren't connected with their Susanoo chakra. And it's proven by this pic. Notice that the Susanoo chakra isn't connected to Sasuke. It's just a shroud surrounding his body, so basically it works the same way like Obito's chakra orbs surrounding his body.


-> Fact: FTG requires physical contact. Minato cannot breach Susanoo's defenses. Susano'o or any given portion of it can become ethereal [ ]

Your suggestion:

T Bogard said:
So FTG can teleport the chakra based attack(Susanoo) away which would leave the user open. But even if you believe that the Susanoo is connected to the user, it changes nothing against a FTG user. Like i've said above, the FTG user can decide what/who to teleport or not regardless of what/who is connected to him or his chakra, so whether the Susanoo user is indirectly connected to the FTG user or his chakra at that point or not, Minato could freely decide either to teleport the Susanoo only or the Susanoo user only.
....Should I submerge this thread any more?
 
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Amaterasu took it's sweet time burning through Karin's cloak, Minato only needs an instant.

This thread was a pretty good read, I thought the points were solid.
Take a look at the scans I posted.

Sasuke's Yasaka Magatama burned Zetsu's entire body in a second at best.

And yes his points are solid, but Sasuke's Susano'o [which is an EMS technique] is above anything Minato's Hiraishin could counter.
 

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You don't follow? :blush:

-> Fact: If Minato is unaware of something in physical contact to his body he teleports along with it [ ]

Your claim:





-> Fact: The Susanoo's chakra is connected to the user, it is why Danzo's Fuuton had an effect on sasuke despite being encased with Susano'o. [ [ Obito broke through V1 Susanoo's defenses with shear physical prowess
Your speculation:





-> Fact: FTG requires physical contact. Minato cannot breach Susanoo's defenses. Susano'o or any given portion of it can become ethereal [ ]

Your suggestion:



....Should I submerge this thread any more?


Waltz the guy is the delusional! Let him be!
 

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Nice thread.
But do you think that minato can teleport ama. To his kunai location While the fire burns his body?

Also U make a good point on susano really nice one.
So see minato need to touch susano if he wants to removes the susano from the battle field.. ? Right
But The susano user won't just stand there and do nothing.
Even if minato manage to removes the susano, madara or current sasuke (maybe not itachi) can spam another susano again..
 

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Take a look at the scans I posted.

Sasuke's Yasaka Magatama burned Zetsu's entire body in a second at best.

And yes his points are solid, but Sasuke's Susano'o [which is an EMS technique] is above anything Minato's Hiraishin could counter.
I did take a look I think it may of been a little longer than a second and they are still burning in the second picture but completely covered in the black flames. Even if it would take a second Minato's reactions are fast enough to do his teleport in that time frame. I also believe FTG can separate a user from their susanoo.
 

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You don't follow? :blush:
No you :blush:

-> Fact: If Minato is unaware of something in physical contact to his body he teleports along with it [ ]

Your claim:
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And what's your point? You only proved the fact that if Minato isn't aware that something comes in physical contact with him, he will go along with it, but my point still stand that if Minato is aware of something, he can decide what to teleport or not



-> Fact: The Susanoo's chakra is connected to the user, it is why Danzo's Fuuton had an effect on sasuke despite being encased with Susano'o [ ] Obito broke through V1 Susanoo's defenses with shear physical prowess [ ]
Your speculation:
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I said it's my opinion, but i also said in the thread that other people think otherwise. Changes nothing anyway. But you're wrong on something. While it's true that Sasuke felt the attack despite being inside Susanoo, you forget the fact it's a wind attack. Wind judging by its properties can pass through every small opening in order to act. We already know that underground is Susanoo's weakness, so from that point a wind attack from that scale will remove Sasuke's footing and thus destabilising him




-> Fact: FTG requires physical contact. Minato cannot breach Susanoo's defenses. Susano'o or any given portion of it can become ethereal [ ]

Your suggestion:
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No, FTG requires physical contact OR a chakra connection. So for example if Minato were to infuse chakra in his kunai, he can connect from a decent range without making the contact at all and could still teleport the target from a far distance. It's the same principe like when his clone teleported his original(having his chakra)

....Should I submerge this thread any more?
Waiting for it :cool: But i could only reply tomorrow :)

It goes for you Invsblphntm as well ;)
 
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