Establishing why FTG laughs at (E)MS techniques

[ajpn920]

tsukyomi is effective outside sensor range. i will shut you up with manga quote right after these facts: minato might be able to counter ms techniques with hiraishin but not genjutsu which keeps users body totally inside illusion and is more instant than ftg > (faster than light)

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Did i just own this thread?

LOL. Did you read my post properly? You don't know what the exact distance where tsukuyomi can be used effectively. So far, we have seen Itachi using it at close range thus it's fair to say that they can't use Tsukuyomi at a greater distance. Now, do you realize that fighting someone as fast as Minato close range means speed blitz? Show me where Itachi or Sasuke used Tsukuyomi at a great distance.

 

[VongolaX]

Just as I thought. These fanboys can't accept reality. If gaara was able to pull Madara from his Susanoo then it means that it is not part of his body and FTG can separate that as well.

For those who keep on saying Tsukuyomi, can anyone of you answer my question.

What is the distance that tsukuyomi can be applied effectively? Everyone keeps on saying tsukuyomi when infact they don't know the distance where tsukuyomi can be applied. Manga shows that it's a short distance. Short distance against Minato is speed blitz gg..

Now, Sasuke covering Susanoo with Amaterasu so Minato can't touch him. Answer this fanboys.....

Would it hurt Minato to just watch sasuke die from chakra exhaustion? Sasuke needs to activate 2 techs just to avoid a kunai thrown at him! Dying from chakra exhaustion is most likely to happen!

No matter what these Uchihas do, they can't harm Minato (ST barrier, speed) and they'll all die from chakra exhaustion by just protecting themselves from Minato's FTG or speedblitz assuming they all know Minato's FTG versions. If they don't know the FTG v2 then they all get Obito'd..

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Just ended your post with one scan, how can you even say that about close distance?

 

[jorgelius]

LOL. Did you read my post properly? You don't know what the exact distance where tsukuyomi can be used effectively. So far, we have seen Itachi using it at close range thus it's fair to say that they can't use Tsukuyomi at a greater distance. Now, do you realize that fighting someone as fast as Minato close range means speed blitz? Show me where Itachi or Sasuke used Tsukuyomi at a great distance.

LOL right bact at you i re-read your post and you say Manga shows that it's a short distance. Short distance against Minato is speed blitz gg.. now manga says distance is outside sensor range so strike back with something more than: manga never showed something yet i show you pic which points otherwise

 

[thatgirl]

tsukyomi is effective outside sensor range. i will shut you up with manga quote right after these facts: minato might be able to counter ms techniques with hiraishin but not genjutsu which keeps users body totally inside illusion and is more instant than ftg > (faster than light)

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tsuuyomi and other genjutsus require eye contact and can only be initiated at close range since eye contact is required

Ao said that itachi can remain undetected by sensor unit and not outside the range of sensor unit,

outside here means outside the shinobi alliance aka the enemy

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the range of sensor unit crosses countries even

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if you think itachi can use tsukuyomi on someone in konoha while in kumo then..

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Did i just own this thread?

lol

 

[Stark]

EMS Madara > Minato

 

[Sennin of Logic]

How so when 3/4 jounins couldn't fight without eye contact against 1 uchiha. 1/5 hokages got caught in a eye genjutsu while fighting 1 Uchiha. Only a select few is combatant enough to fight against Uchihas without eye contact 1v1 and they were all from the Senju/Uchiha era. Gai is the only real special proven case. Everyone else seems to be hindered while fighting.

OT: The Amaterasu argument seems to be pretty solid if seals were placed before hand. As for Susanoo we all know direct contact is needed to teleport others. A simple kunai is not direct contact with the seal embedded onto the lower half of Minato's kunai. We also know Minato needs time to gather chakra for large targets.

I dunno, I just think the idea that all ninjas are doomed to look into Itachi's eyes are extremely exaggerated. Also, Minato can instantly get into an Uchiha's blind spot.


I agree with your skepticism about the whole kunai thing. I'm pretty sure he'd have to touch susanoo to teleport. This makes enton shields a problem, however, he can have a clone do it. That way, it won't matter.

 

[jorgelius]

tsuuyomi and other genjutsus require eye contact and can only be initiated at close range since eye contact is required

Ao said that itachi can remain undetected by sensor unit and not outside the range of sensor unit,

outside here means outside the shinobi alliance aka the enemy

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the range of sensor unit crosses countries even

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if you think itachi can use tsukuyomi on someone in konoha while in kumo then..

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lol

hahah okay sorry for trouble finding that picture
i only saw one set of translations on that and they made sense coz goodguys were controlled and field sensors couldnt make it out.

but actually your post is flawed everyway possible

]tsuuyomi and other genjutsus require eye contact and can only be initiated at close range since eye contact is required
depends which scan we trust more ill go with both are valid

the range of sensor unit crosses countries even
this is incorrect karin is praised to be best sensor and his sensor range are pair with kiba's nose which is big deal

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itachi can cast illusion to point he is able to see an enemy which is possible only through sharingan
so if he is high enough earth start rotate enough to make seeing impossible to more than 10kilometers

 

[KingHashirama]

You mad cuz Minato shits on Senju Brothers =D

though Minato is only 1 third of the weakest Senju bro =D

You mad cuz Minato shits on Senju Brothers =D

though Minato is only 1 third of the weakest Senju bro =D

Not really, Minato is stronger than Tobirama, so even if he was stronger than Madara
that does not make Tobirama stronger!

FTG = FTG

all Minato has left are seals.. which Tobirama himself also knows.

Brains wise.. Tobirama is more sharp

Shunshin.... can be reacted to

Rasengan..... can be dodged.

=]

 

[sharingansennin]

So basically you're saying a powerful FTG user can beat a Powerful EMS user right? so you think Tobirama and Minato could solo EMS Madara?

 

[VongolaX]

hahah okay sorry for trouble finding that picture
i only saw one set of translations on that and they made sense coz goodguys were controlled and field sensors couldnt make it out.

but actually your post is flawed everyway possible

]tsuuyomi and other genjutsus require eye contact and can only be initiated at close range since eye contact is required
depends which scan we trust more ill go with both are valid

the range of sensor unit crosses countries even
this is incorrect karin is praised to be best sensor and his sensor range are pair with kiba's nose which is big deal

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itachi can cast illusion to point he is able to see an enemy which is possible only through sharingan
so if he is high enough earth start rotate enough to make seeing impossible to more than 10kilometers

Dude just use this...

Itachi can summon crows at blind speed

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Genjustu in any range the crows fly:

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[Sunstorm]

I find it amusing how people argue over 1v1 fights of anime characters. I mean... This is utterly stupid. The winner will always be decided by the author. Even if it sometimes doesn't make sense...

Kishimoto's thoughts, pen and hand together can beat any anime character in Narutoverse.

 

[Oblivionx]

best thread...! i've literately fell in love with this thread...! nice arguments...! and those saying tsukuyomi gg are making themselves look pathetic because they are actually admitting that if minato or tobirama avoids genjutsu, uchihas are ****ed up...! haha lol...! XD