Edo Tobirama vs KCM minato

[KidGamer65]

Minato >>> Ay >> Bee in speed, believe whatever garbage you want!

Ay>>>Minato>B in all forms speed outside of teleportation. :lol Though yes, B has never actually intercepted an attack from Minato at top speed.

-First time Minato slowed down his attack to gather more momentum, same reason why Obito gets blitzed with Rasengan but Killer B can intercept the Kunai strike from over 5m away. Not to mention that strike was clearly more powerful than the ordinary Kunai strike, unless anyone thinks a regular strike to B's tentacle would cause a crater like that.

-Second time wasn't an interception as Minato never attacked.

And no, the main issue isn't KCM Minato not showing feats above Base Minato. The issue is Tobirama showing better feats than any incarnation of Minato. Lol

 

[Great Master Minato]

Ay>>>Minato>B in all forms speed outside of teleportation. :lol Though yes, B has never actually intercepted an attack from Minato at top speed.

-First time Minato slowed down his attack to gather more momentum, same reason why Obito gets blitzed with Rasengan but Killer B can intercept the Kunai strike from over 5m away. Not to mention that strike was clearly more powerful than the ordinary Kunai strike, unless anyone thinks a regular strike to B's tentacle would cause a crater like that.

-Second time wasn't an interception as Minato never attacked.

And no, the main issue isn't KCM Minato not showing feats above Base Minato. The issue is Tobirama showing better feats than any incarnation of Minato. Lol

My post was a direct respond to Beans's post, he said KCM Minato should be much faster than Base Minato & I said he didn't show any better feats.

 

[NarutoX28]

My post was a direct respond to Beans's post, he said KCM Minato should be much faster than Base Minato & I said he didn't show any better feats.

He didn't show any better feats because he was up against a guy who can casually blitz him at any moment. Of course KCM Minato would look like shit compared to a God-Tier. That's just common sense.

 

[Great Master Minato]

He didn't show any better feats because he was up against a guy who can casually blitz him at any moment. Of course KCM Minato would look like shit compared to a God-Tier. That's just common sense.

KCM Naruto & EMS Sasuke's feats are on par or even better than Edo KCM Minato when they should be much inferior.
There was something wrong about Edo KCM Minato.

 

[NarutoX28]

KCM Naruto & EMS Sasuke's feats are on par or even better than Edo KCM Minato when they should be much inferior.
There was something wrong about Edo KCM Minato.

No they weren't. KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke couldn't do absolutely anything and they were blitzed immediately. They only managed to tag Juubito through Tobirama's and Minato's support, but without it, they would've died.

 

[Great Master Minato]

No they weren't. KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke couldn't do absolutely anything and they were blitzed immediately. They only managed to tag Juubito through Tobirama's and Minato's support, but without it, they would've died.

They were reacting as fast as KCM Minato at some point when he should be much faster than them, it seemed Minato didn't get any boost from KCM or at least it wasn't as big as Naruto's.

 

[NarutoX28]

They were reacting as fast as KCM Minato at some point when he should be much faster than them, it seemed Minato didn't get any boost from KCM or at least it wasn't as big as Naruto's.

Why should KCM Minato be much faster than them?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

They were reacting as fast as KCM Minato at some point when he should be much faster than them, it seemed Minato didn't get any boost from KCM or at least it wasn't as big as Naruto's.

Nothing implies his KCM boost was smaller than Naruto's and Tobirama's statement confirms their Edo Forms were near full power. They're simply all on the same speed tier (with the exception that KCM Naruto/Minato's Shunshin should be faster than Sasuke's)

 

[Great Master Minato]

Why should KCM Minato be much faster than them?

Because Base Minato is on par or superior to KCM Naruto when it comes to overall speed.

 

[NarutoX28]

Because Base Minato is on par or superior to KCM Naruto when it comes to overall speed.

Honestly, I'm just going to copy and paste this from another thread which explains why KCM Naruto is faster than Base Minato in terms of physical speed.

This statement made by C is likely the most important in truly indicating how fast Minato is:

Lord Raikage's nerve transmissions and his reaction speed are on par with that of Konoha's yellow flash.....Impressive these folks are keeping up as well as they are. But Lord Raikage has manipulated raiton chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the sharingan will be able to keep up with him. Plus, there's still...

Confirming that Minato's speed and reflexes are only on par with Base Raikage's.

Then we have this:

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Adult B couldn't even see him Flicker and smash Kisame the instant Naruto reached Kisame as opposed to here:

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Minato appeared as a Flash yet Young B reacted in response to Minato being above Raikage and managed to perceive and intercept Minato's strike from a large distance before Minato could even complete his attack meaning that Young B had no problem reacting and perceiving Minato's actual speed.

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KCM Naruto is also described to move just as fast as Minato's usage of Hiraishin and we know Minato got his name from Hiraishin, not his actual speed.

Then, we have Raikage conceding that KCM Naruto was the 2nd person to ever dodge his fastest punch:

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And Minato was only capable of doing so through Hiraishin due to the fact that Minato, through Raikage's reputation, thought it was actually necessary to throw dozens of kunai across the battlefield.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Nothing implies his KCM boost was smaller than Naruto's and Tobirama's statement confirms their Edo Forms were near full power. They're simply all on the same speed tier (with the exception that KCM Naruto/Minato's Shunshin should be faster than Sasuke's)

That's ridiculous!
Base Minato is much much faster than Base Naruto, there's no way for KCM Naruto to be on par with KCM Minato if they received the same boost.

 

[NarutoX28]

That's ridiculous!
Base Minato is much much times faster than Base Naruto, there's no way for KCM Naruto to be on par with KCM Minato if the received the same boost.

That's the thing. Kurama's Chakra outweighs their own Chakras making Kurama's Chakra the most dominant. Their Base Chakras still have an impact, but Kurama's is most dominant making the difference not as large as one would think IMO.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Honestly, I'm just going to copy and paste this from another thread which explains why KCM Naruto is faster than Base Minato in terms of physical speed.

This statement made by C is likely the most important in truly indicating how fast Minato is:



Confirming that Minato's speed and reflexes are only on par with Base Raikage's.

Then we have this:

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Adult B couldn't even see him Flicker and smash Kisame the instant Naruto reached Kisame as opposed to here:

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Minato appeared as a Flash yet Young B reacted in response to Minato being above Raikage and managed to perceive and intercept Minato's strike from a large distance before Minato could even complete his attack meaning that Young B had no problem reacting and perceiving Minato's actual speed.

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KCM Naruto is also described to move just as fast as Minato's usage of Hiraishin and we know Minato got his name from Hiraishin, not his actual speed.

Then, we have Raikage conceding that KCM Naruto was the 2nd person to ever dodge his fastest punch:

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And Minato was only capable of doing so through Hiraishin due to the fact that Minato, through Raikage's reputation, thought it was actually necessary to throw dozens of kunai across the battlefield.

KG explained it pretty well,

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[DemonicAvenger]

That's ridiculous!
Base Minato is much much faster than Base Naruto, there's no way for KCM Naruto to be on par with KCM Minato if they received the same boost.

Im having this same debate with KG in another thread. The feats are on par and Minato's Edo Tensei form was basically full power. If and Then logic doesn't disprove the feats or statements.

 

[NarutoX28]

Ay>>>Minato>B in all forms speed outside of teleportation. :lol Though yes, B has never actually intercepted an attack from Minato at top speed.

This is true, though my main point is that since Minato heavily relies on Hiraishin to reach his opponent, his full speed is irrelevant as he has to rely on his own strike speed to hit his opponent.

 

[NarutoX28]

KG explained it pretty well,

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I'll make sure to read it later. What would help for me is if you could pick out the things that stick out to you and things that support the notion that Base Minato = KCM Naruto.

 

[~Ethereal~]

I agree.

 

[NarutoX28]

I agree.

Sorry, but what do you agree with?

 

[~Ethereal~]

Sorry, but what do you agree with?

ABout Tobirama winging Minato.

 

[NarutoX28]

ABout Tobirama winging Minato.

Ah yes, glad you agree then.