The Chakra Arms themselves aren't very fast at all. War Arc Obito evaded Naruto's at point-blank range. And besides, those Chakra Arms are a rather large target, so Tobirama could mark them without KCM Minato even noticing. I would also claim that Tobirama's superior reflexes do play a role considering KCM Minato couldn't perceive Tobirama placing tags on Juubito until after Tobirama told KCM Minato to warp.
Edo Tobirama vs KCM minato
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Dumbest thread ever. How can minato be a jinchuriki, and not an Edo tensei? He sealed the fckng kyuubi in himself via the DDS , which is by default a suicide tech.
Anyways:
-If both are alive, minato wins(speed)
-If tobirama is an Edo and minato isn't, tobirama wins(knowledge of Edo tensei).
-If both are Edo tense is, kyuubi power wrecks tobirama.
Anyways:
-If both are alive, minato wins(speed)
-If tobirama is an Edo and minato isn't, tobirama wins(knowledge of Edo tensei).
-If both are Edo tense is, kyuubi power wrecks tobirama.
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Is that a serious question? Obviously it's like a hypothetical thing. If Minato were alive and had KCM like he did as an edo.
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Minato used the dead demon seal, which placed his soul and the yin kyuubi into the belly of the death god(or reaper). This caused his death. The only reason he had kcm mode was because he was an Edo, and the kyuubi yin chakra got sealed in him. There's no fcking way for him to be alive and be a jinchuriki. Hint: only non jins can use the dead demon seal to begin with. I.e basically the hypothetical situation directly contradicts the canon manga.
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tobirama came towards Minato, took the TSB (before it exploded), then teleported towards juubito and slammed the TSB towards him by agian teleporting even further to keep them away from the blast radius.
all of this was done by an inferior clone, before KCM minato could even move an inch.
and he tagged juubito and physically reacted to him. that alone is enough
never said minatos shunshin speed is inferior.
in terms of shunshin,
KCM Minato >> Base Minato > Tobirama
but his reaction speed and striking speed is above base or KCM minato.
and thats all that really matters here, becuase FTG makes up for the gap in their body flicker
once tobirama teleports near minato or engages him, his superior reaction means that he will react before minato does, and either evade all of his upciming attacks by FTG, or eventually land a mark with his clone and then finish him off
I believe Minato's half of Kurama was shown to be friendlier than Naruto's half initially. Either way, it was never shown that hosts had to train in order to learn how to extend an arm. They only trained to master controlling the tailed beast or partaking in a new form.
If it doesn't attach, Minato can teleport away without trouble. He's not going to sit there and get blown up. It's very simple how Minato wins.
1. Minato is both alive and a host with the Nine Tails Chakra Mode. There's no reason to assume his reaction is slower than Tobirama especially when you're comparing Minato to Naruto and Sasuke and their situation, which is different when you realize neither of the two have an instant technique effective technique that requires one touch. We've already also seen the large amount of strength Madara gained when coming alive (being able to break a technique with ease in which he couldn't before).
2. Minato is faster on foot and in general neural movement because of his form. This aids in combat and essentially makes him "faster" than Tobirama. He also covers more ground and angles with his chakra arms, which can be used as defense or offense.
3. If the only technique that's sure to damage Minato directly can't hit him more than once simultaneously, if at all, then Tobirama can't effectively finish Minato.
This will be my last reply to you because you believe the fight is dependent on a factor (reaction speed) that can't be determined.
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Assuming he has tags outside of the AoE? Sure, but considering how large the area is and the fact that Tobirama can make clones? Yeah, no. He gets caught.
Sorry, I already addressed this. What you think is irrelevant.
Faster on foot is irrelevant as this is teleportation. General neural movement is also based on nothing. Tobirama can tag Obito. Minato has no feat surpassing that. It's really that simple. Chakra arms being used as defense or offense won't save him from Tobirama's Gojo Kibakufuda nor will they actually hit Tobirama.
Gojo only needs to hit him once to kill him.
Good. I'm glad you are done wasting my time with your idiotic argumentation. Never reply to me again PerfectSchizoid. :lol
Why can it not? Base Minato reacted to v2 Ei top speeded punch from the
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Minato showed no sign of being alarmed by this speed at all. Minato's striking speed is also insane Ei's fist was literally less then a inch from his face yet he threw his kunai up in the air while in Manga time Ei did not move and Minato arms was right back in the same position
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Pay close attention Minato arm is in the exact same spot as it was to began with meaning we could not even see his movement. in manga time.
. Minato was playing with Ei as well.
About Madara. He strike Naruto when he used his shunshin Naruto managed to put in arm up to block a punch meaning Alive Madara shunshin is shitted on by Minato same with his striking speed v1 Ei shunshin would clock SM Naruto with no reaction, 3rd raikage almost grazed SM naruto with no shunshin add the fact he's not known for his speed and his shunshin is not on Ei's level Naruto is definitely blitzed, v2 Ei failed to do anything to Minato.
KM and SM are about equal in power form actually no because KM Naruto speed is much greater than SM's even if Madara happens to be faster (Which he is not) he owned tobirama while he was striking him off guard Minato at very least would keep up.
Funny how this is so acceptable but not Minato's much more impressive feat of jumping infront of gai then warping
Madara's insanely fast tsb's away before they could reach gai all done in his base and gai who's much faster then juubito
did not move in inch need i rest my case?
While getting one half of his body vaporized if he was alive the moment a piece of his head was destroyed death would have been instant meaning no reaction.
Hiruzen got out of the range! The area is not large at all and its definitely not hard to escape Gojo
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Minato shunshin in base shits on any movement Hiruzen has ever displayed make him KMC is the gap becomes larger add clones and ftg saying gojo (Which tobirama needed to have his opponent restrained so they would not dodge it) is hitting Minato biggest joke ever. says Tobirama has clones acts like Minato does not have clones of his own and can make more due to the aid of Kurama.Databook also classifies Gojo under suicide and their talking about alive Tobirama as Edo Tobirama is immortal.
gamakichi escape the aoe Bunta who's much older and stronger has better leaping ability dodges with no problems with
summoning Ma & Pa makes this a stomp and i'v seen your argumentation that Tobirama won't give him time to many
clones to decipher which is the real Minato the add Tobirama does not have as many Kunai as Minato nor does he have chakra arms to extend his reach summonings are happening sound genjutsu ends. What stops Space time Barrier form warping gojo?
The rest has been addressed
The irony of your post smh
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It's not about speed. It's about sheer numbers and range.
Wanna explain how tobirama marks chakra?
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He flicked his Kunai up in the air, that barely requires movement nor is that a strike. So yeah, terrible terrible terrible ass example. This doesn't even show that Minato's striking speed is above Tobirama's so you mentioning it is useless unless you think being able to move his hand before Ay can strike him is a better feat than Tobirama doing the same to Obito as the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.
No, it doesn't. You've done nothing to show proof of Minato's Shunshin being that fast nor have you shown prove that Minato's striking speed is fast enough to hit Naruto before he can put his arm up if he Shunshins from the same distance Madara does. Your example is so ****ing idiotic that I'll have to put extra effort into countering your nonsense post.
-Minato flicking a Kunai above V2 Ay doesn't put his striking speed above that as flicking/tossing a Kunai and strikes aren't the same thing.
-Minato and Madara's situations aren't even the same thing so once again you don't have a point. What's worse is that Madara had to Shunshin from around 5-10m away giving Naruto more time to react to his speed, so using this as a comparison to prove Tobirama is slower than Minato is idiotic and makes no sense.
-SM Naruto being unable to react to V1 Ay with no reaction is literally based on nothing, like most of your posts.
-3rd Raikage didn't almost do shit to Naruto, Naruto purposely waited till the last minute and still evaded his attack and hit him all in the same breath. Don't lie about Manga events to try and make your points seem more coherent than they really are.
All you have proven is that Minato>SM Naruto in reaction speed as he was able to react to V2 Ay while Naruto's best feat is blocking Alive Madara.
Uh, no. Try again.
Are you stupid? If he was alive he would've tagged Obito then he would've gotten his body blown apart. If Obito hit him first he wouldn't have been marked genius.
Hiruzen got out of the range after being warned by Tobirama. :lol Not to mention he wasn't point blank range from the explosion like Minato will be when Tobirama teleports in front of his face, so try again. So please try again. Lol predictable ass Minato fanboy. Lol who's alt are you?
Good thing this is Edo Tobirama. So stop making irrelevant points.
Lol are you stupid? Minato teleported Gamakichi and everyone on him away. Not sure how Minato summons Ma and Pa and gets off the sound Genjutsu when:
-You need a ritual.
-It takes too long.
-He has to keep his hands clapped while he does it.
If he tries then he gets blown off of the face of this planet with Gojo Kibakufuda. Summonings are fodder, Sound Genjutsu never happens, S/T Barrier doesn't warp Gojo when Gojo is a directional explosion composed of multiple different tags. Unless he makes contact with all the tags the explosion just keeps on happening.
-Chakra arms are irrelevant, increasing his reach doesn't matter either as it doesn't let him hit Tobirama.
-His markings are irrelevant due to the size of Gojo and the fact that Tobirama has clones.
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Logically that's how it should be but Edo KCM Minato didn't outperform Alive Base Minato (featwise), that's the whole issue.
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How is that possible?
Edo Kages were revived at nearly their full power and KCM Minato far exceeds Base Minato meaning that the boost Kurama's Chakra had on Minato outweighs the minimal strength increase Minato would've had if he were Alive.
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What did Edo KCM Minato show that Alive Base Minato wasn't capable of? (I said featwise)
That didn't refute what I said.
Why not tell me what Alive Minato did that KCM Minato couldn't do? Last time I checked, he was intercepted by Young B twice and couldn't outspeed Young Obito w/o Hiraishin.
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