Edo Tobirama vs KCM minato
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Curse Mark
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Where are you getting this from??
And bruh yes it did. Naruto trained to learn to use his chakra arms with Bee on the turtle.
unknownvillain1254
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unknownvillain1254
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Actually, it does. Indra inherited the Yin Component of Rikudou's Chakra whereas Asura inherited the Yang Component. Asura should've been evil due to being Yang Dominant, but it was the opposite, so Minato's half of Kurama being the Yin Portion of Kurama doesn't imply that he was kinder.
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unknownvillain1254
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dude what are you talking about if the plot of the story no minato split the 9 tail chakra in half
Curse Mark
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Jesus Christ....
Im like 3 posts away from just giving up here man I cant take it. Its like he doesnt even read what im quoting he just reads my response and decides himself what i must have meant
what da :|he is asking how is yin kurama kinder
Kuikamauna
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base minato would win this.
This is a battle of speed, neither can tank the other's attacks, Minato has the better S/T and is faster in both feats and hype. KCM Minato allows him to tank all of tobirama's known attacks bar chain bombs which isn't really fast enough to catch minato.
This is a battle of speed, neither can tank the other's attacks, Minato has the better S/T and is faster in both feats and hype. KCM Minato allows him to tank all of tobirama's known attacks bar chain bombs which isn't really fast enough to catch minato.
Minato's only advantage is FTG V2, but that doesn't matter when Tobirama has higher combat experience and can perceive Minato's own movement speed, so he'll know where Minato's going to warp and react accordingly. Minato's higher Shunshin is practically useless when both are using FTG to close the distance between each other, so reaction speed is far more important which Tobirama is far superior in.
Kuikamauna
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combat experience doesn't really mean anything in the NV when we have base naruto tricking people like Kakuzu. Minato's use of FTG is also superior to Tobirama's where the later has only shown the ability to use a single marking at a time while minato can spam them.
How is tobirama superior in reaction speed?
That is due to Naruto's unpredictability. Battle experience certainly does play a huge role in this fight as superior battle experience means Tobirama has a better application of FTG in comparison to Minato even if Minato has added a little extra to it. Even then, we have Madara praising Onoki's battle experience as the main reason why Onoki performed at such a higher level compared to the other Kage.
True, Minato does use more markings, but that doesn't necessarily mean Tobirama's inferior. We've seen how well Tobirama applied Hiraishin with a single marking against both Juubito and Madara with Tobirama displaying Hiraishin against the latter to enhance his own performance in a straight up battle in Taijutsu.
And aside from that, having multiple markings wasn't shown to be effective against much stronger opponents as it did absolutely nothing against Juubito. The most important aspect was reaction speed which Tobirama was more effective in. Why does Tobirama have superior reaction speed?
1. Tobirama flickered to KCM Minato's position and grabbed the TSB that tagged KCM Minato before KCM Minato could grab it himself and KCM Minato was caught in the action of grabbing it himself prior to Tobirama flickering to his location and that was done with merely a clone who was stated to be less reactive than the original.
2. Tobirama managed to tag Juubito from 5-10m with precise timing the moment before Juubito could slice him in half. KCM Minato then comments about Juubito's speed after his Shunshin rather than during it meaning that he didn't see a thing despite having an outside perspective of things.
3. Juubito didn't notice that Tobirama had tagged him, neither did KCM Minato and KCM Naruto as Tobirama had to explain to them how his clone warped to Juubito and warped him away. Juubito didn't notice Tobirama tagging him as he was shocked when Tobirama warped to him and his attention was directed towards Minato meaning that he did witness Tobirama grabbing the TSB.
4. Tobirama placed multiple tags on Juubito w/o KCM Minato even perceiving it. This is exemplified when Tobirama demanded Minato to "warp" and his eyes dilated as he was shocked by Tobirama's command until the next panel reveals that he placed multiple tags on Juubito.
Tobirama's reaction speed is significantly higher than KCM Minato's, so Tobirama wins this overall.
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Kuikamauna
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While Naruto is unpredictable, Minato was hailed as a once in a lifetime genius. In oonoki's case, he had previously fought Madara, when it comes to S/T users, Minato would be the more experienced one considering he fought Obito before.
When did Minato try and use multiple markings against people like juubito? His multiple markings definitely came in handy against the juubi who is an opponent surely above Tobirama's level.
1. How is that an example of greater reaction speed? Tobirama saw the battle from the outside, therefore he'd have an advantage in observing and reacting to something like a sticky on minato.
2. When did the manga imply he tagged juubito before getting sliced in half? Tobirama was capable of moving as an edo, seems to me that he did it during the whole thing.
I don't understand how minato thinking to himself that Juubito is fast after the shunshin indicates he couldn't see a thing. The point of that statement was to show that even by Minato's standards, Juubito is fast not that minato only was able to mentally process what was going on after making that comment. If anything, that comment tells you that Minato's reactions are above Tobirama's as Minato wasn't blown away by Juubito's speed which suggests the speed gap was significant, but not to the point where Minato would have been unable to avoid like Naruto or Tobirama.
3.The tags are small, and when events happen quickly not all of it is processed. The focus of the event was Juubito and his extreme speed, not Tobirama which is why the later's actions go unnoticed.
4. Sure, but that has nothing to do with a comparison between minato and tobirama's reaction speed
Seriously, none of those events compare their reaction speeds. The focus isn't Tobirama, it's juubito, when events happen very quickly less of it gets processed by the observers had Minato focused on what Tobirama was doing rather than watching the actual threat, he would have noticed.
While Naruto is unpredictable, Minato was hailed as a once in a lifetime genius. In oonoki's case, he had previously fought Madara, when it comes to S/T users, Minato would be the more experienced one considering he fought Obito before.
When did Minato try and use multiple markings against people like juubito? His multiple markings definitely came in handy against the juubi who is an opponent surely above Tobirama's level.
1. How is that an example of greater reaction speed? Tobirama saw the battle from the outside, therefore he'd have an advantage in observing and reacting to something like a sticky on minato.
2. When did the manga imply he tagged juubito before getting sliced in half? Tobirama was capable of moving as an edo, seems to me that he did it during the whole thing.
I don't understand how minato thinking to himself that Juubito is fast after the shunshin indicates he couldn't see a thing. The point of that statement was to show that even by Minato's standards, Juubito is fast not that minato only was able to mentally process what was going on after making that comment. If anything, that comment tells you that Minato's reactions are above Tobirama's as Minato wasn't blown away by Juubito's speed which suggests the speed gap was significant, but not to the point where Minato would have been unable to avoid like Naruto or Tobirama.
3.The tags are small, and when events happen quickly not all of it is processed. The focus of the event was Juubito and his extreme speed, not Tobirama which is why the later's actions go unnoticed.
4. Sure, but that has nothing to do with a comparison between minato and tobirama's reaction speed
Seriously, none of those events compare their reaction speeds. The focus isn't Tobirama, it's juubito, when events happen very quickly less of it gets processed by the observers had Minato focused on what Tobirama was doing rather than watching the actual threat, he would have noticed.
