[Game] Drinks of Sophistication - Mafia Game #20

[TheLukundo]

Vote Lynch: Houtarou

 

[Naomi_Rose]

@Naomi_Rose talk to me about what you think with regards to All_Red and Houtarou. You said you knew the both of them. Compare them and tell me what you think about them, please.

From past experience playing with him. Even as scum he still makes his post. So it's odd he has not saying anything yet imo. I heard there internet outage (discord) So this might be the case.

Though first day for Houtarou, He hardly posted. Saying first day, chill. I agree with that since first day are not my strong point, why i never voted.

But imo, If he able to get online. He should posted by now.

I have a POE of

Houtarou , All_Red , Konno, Corazon

With the additional note that Naomi can be changed with All_Red, because I didn’t really like Naomi’s read on SK. For a person who doesn’t give reads so easily, especially on people that she doesn’t really know, she is eager to give someone a town read because “He’s obviously solving” just because he made walls of text. Same thing that i’ve done, same thing ansa’s done.

That’s holding me back from having confidence in my current PoE. I didn’t like the SK read. It’s almost like she acknowledged he’s a good player that’s hard to mislynch because he posts a ton, wanted to give him a town read, like she knew mafia will kill him anyway at some point.

If Naomi ever flips scum then Michelle and SK are lock cleared.

I do think alice is okay although I wish she posted more.

Houtarou is the safest bet for me.

You look like your trying to decide, who to jump to. I see you ok with jumping on lynching me.

With the additional note that Naomi can be changed with All_Red, because I didn’t really like Naomi’s read on SK.

More like excuse, but then again maybe your scum invest?

Because points like this.

because I didn’t really like Naomi’s read on SK.

I really don't like your play to be honest, two people on your scum list, turned out two. and next scum is hotoura on your list, and here you are suggesting to jump on me, Or inactive's.


You imo are sus, with that low key bs excuse.

If Naomi ever flips scum then Michelle and SK are lock cleared.

with this logic, this makes you scum. Since both the people you scum read turned out scum.

Don't try reverse that excuse back on to me, with sk.

 

[Naomi_Rose]

with this logic, this makes you scum. Since both the people you scum read turned out scum.

with this logic, this makes you scum. Since both the people you scum read turned out TOWN

miss spell.

 

[Thestatusquo]

If you judge people’s towniness by their reading accuracy on day one, then you won’t ever catch scum. You didn’t even give reads day one, so it feels quite unorthodox to judge someone on their reads day one.

And another thing, that’s an absurd leap of logic. I said IF you flipped scum, those two would be cleared based purely off how you reacted to Michelle and you TMIng SK.

You somehow turned that into “Well, you said that if X and Y flip town, then I’m scum. Your Z and W reads flipped town so you are scum” (Which btw is faulty because I never said that IF those two players are town then you are scum, which is the premise you used for shading me or I honestly don’t know what that was)

How did a social deduction game turn into some sort of mathematical equation lmfao

 

[Thestatusquo]

I maintain my town read on Luk but for weird reasons

He’s still town tho

 

[Naomi_Rose]

If you judge people’s towniness by their reading accuracy on day one, then you won’t ever catch scum. You didn’t even give reads day one, so it feels quite unorthodox to judge someone on their reads day one.

And another thing, that’s an absurd leap of logic. I said IF you flipped scum, those two would be cleared based purely off how you reacted to Michelle and you TMIng SK.

You somehow turned that into “Well, you said that if X and Y flip town, then I’m scum. Your Z and W reads flipped town so you are scum” (Which btw is faulty because I never said that IF those two players are town then you are scum, which is the premise you used for shading me or I honestly don’t know what that was)

How did a social deduction game turn into some sort of mathematical equation lmfao

With the additional note that Naomi can be changed with All_Red, because I didn’t really like Naomi’s read on SK.

Then don't lowkey hint what you plan. Because that phrasing is sus.


also btw, i noticed you call town stupid, or refer town town dumb?

It almost like your third/scum taking charge with this weird phrasing. And when called out on your sus town reading. You jump and divert attention.


as seen above in that post.

How did a social deduction game turn into some sort of mathematical equation lmfao

if this is not diverting attention, from yourself. Then bravo!


You and ana, and Luke Imo are more sus then SK.



But i will see with oreki Lynch, if he flips scum. Or town/third?

 

[Thestatusquo]

When have I ever called someone dumb town?

 

[Thestatusquo]

The phrasing meant “That’s the scum PoE (All_Red, konno, corazon, houtarou) but I’m unsure of Naomi, because of her read on SK, so if All_Red is town, then Naomi could be scum”

Now that you’ve highlighted that I can see why you thought about that, it’s reasonable.

I do sometimes have trouble expressing myself, I make a lot more sense in my head and it’s hard for me to communicate my ideas in a simple, straight to the subject matter. I have to work on that. So don’t assume stuff about my posts, just ask me first if you have anything that you don’t understand, I won’t be bothered in any way, I’m aware of this.

 

[Naomi_Rose]

When have I ever called someone dumb town?

No, I was referring to you calling people who usually play town are dumb,when they play. In most cases.

It's actually easier to town read players than it is to scum read. It's inherently harder to scum read and expect to have good accuracy, especially if you're a superficial town player. Town are dumber (because they are uninformed) and so they will do stupid stuff that looks natural. Scum can't do that, because they are smarter (informed) and it's hard to stage that up in a manner that looks townie. Have you heard about the saying "A good machine gun will chose it's owner?" Only scum hunting is done by players that have A LOT of experience, the elite players, the 0.1 percentile. Even the best players begin by establishing a town core on day one.

I’m not taking this one thing and calling him scum for it, town do stupid stuff as well. If he’s done more town stuff than scum stuff, then the read is still a town.

I will also touch on why it is really necessary to do this...Again, it’s the core mechanic of the game. Villagers will be a lot more scummier than scum will be. It’s just the nature of the game, villager’s do stupid shit. In the end, it comes down to whether they have an agenda or not. Would those actions benefit them?

I don't disagree with some town play being bad, but your phrasing comes of to me. As you keep using this phrase more then once. Almost like your scum/third looking at situation while you explain.

Scum can't do that, because they are smarter (informed) and it's hard to stage that up in a manner that looks townie. Have you heard about the saying "A good machine gun will chose it's owner?" Only scum hunting is done by players that have A LOT of experience,

From what i read, other mention you are still new. So curious how you seem more informed, and look experience in you scum hunting, compared to new players.

 

[Naomi_Rose]

The phrasing meant “That’s the scum PoE (All_Red, konno, corazon, houtarou) but I’m unsure of Naomi, because of her read on SK, so if All_Red is town, then Naomi could be scum”

Now that you’ve highlighted that I can see why you thought about that, it’s reasonable.

I do sometimes have trouble expressing myself, I make a lot more sense in my head and it’s hard for me to communicate my ideas in a simple, straight to the subject matter. I have to work on that. So don’t assume stuff about my posts, just ask me first if you have anything that you don’t understand, I won’t be bothered in any way, I’m aware of this.

Alright,

 

[TheLukundo]

I maintain my town read on Luk but for weird reasons

He’s still town tho

Swag

 

[Ansatsuken]

@Rej where is my vote on All_Red?

 

[Rej]

But right now I will go with

VoteLynch: All_Red

But I know their big gun is SoulKiller.

-SoulKiller
-All_Red
-Michelle

They have bring out their fangs.


These. I can see clearly. Scum cant be found among the inactive one.

When I said "I've bad feeling with the current situation" in the last 2 hours of 1DP I'm referring to them exactly.

@Ansatsuken sry I missed it, next time sort up your post a bit better, the bolding was probably confusing when backtracking for votes
edit: I edited the vote count post according to it, there is a 3-vote tie between Ansa, Red and Houtarou

 

[Ansatsuken]

@Ansatsuken sry I missed it, next time sort up your post a bit better, the bolding was probably confusing when backtracking for votes

 

[Michelle]

Michelle, you know from every game on this site that activity is not my forte regardless of alignment. Why are you bringing it up here as a reason for an SR?

After my request you said it's easy. So I expected you to post and have a better desire to play as villager. It was a test and you failed it.
Why should I consider you villager? Enlighten me please!

I fucking love status and regardless of Houtarou’s alignment, I think he’s scum from the case tho, status is always fucking town. I ain’t locking it but I’m at like 95% there and I would be fucking gobsmacked if he’s scum.

I see, you were convinced by Ansa that Kyte is scum and voted, and now you are convinced by TSQ of Houtarou being scum. Except sheeping, have you any reads? I noted the town read on TSQ.

Swag

towniest post until now.

 

[Michelle]

I like this chain of posts who shows a progression Need to think where it goes so I quoted all posts

Lets see... How many low posters are there:
Konno... Me... Hout. I town read only one. Me. The others are neutral because they havent posted. Low posters should be saved for mod hammer.

We have 11 players. The modkill you are expecting is not villagery because we have if they are villagers a very bad outcome from that.

Status has seemed to ease into the role if Town leader too easy for me to think it’s fake. SK seems easy to interact with and he doesn’t have an agenda.

This sounds correct. The onky thing that doesn't fit is TSQ as beginner in mafia. As we play this sounds not real because he knows too well what to do.

I agree with that. Status is power leading for a fact, and Sk's agendless play gives me scum vibe. Cause only scum play without a true goal in mind. Catch my drift?

Was ever scum you playing without a goal in mind?
I don't understand this is not the first logical mistake from you. And no, I will not consider you are high like Luke said (smh boi learn to talk with girls)

But you said that Houtarou hasn’t posted anything that’s actually fishy and I’m reaching, so why don’t you town read him? By your logic, we can’t accuse low posters because we’d be reaching lol

The only thing giving me pause is the internet possible problem :|
He is afk and the easiest lynch as non active, who will never provide us any info. Maybe he can be replaced and we can have a correct play from the slot if we are not rushing to hung him like that.

WTF?

Scum are literally way more likely to have an agenda...?

They are like 100% more likely to have an agenda...

WHAT

This is a good point by Luke. Scum always have an agenda.

I mean. Like town play with the agenda to like catch scum right? Scum play without a clear agenda. Or any, more or less to just look good in public eye by agreeing to anything/ trying to earn townie points. They dont care about the towine agenda of catching scum. Is what Im trying to say.

They can fake it well enough and SK as scum would be active in a different way I think. Like more active and shady towards many because scum needs lynches and is hard to justify them when you town read ppl.

Correct. But just becauase he isnt proven to scum doesnt mean he instantly town. Ever heard of having someone being nuetral in your descion? Thats what low posters are. I dont like dealing with them, they should be removed by mod, since they arent helping the game. They may as well be removed and not wasted a dp on.

idk how to take this. The villagery part is to not waste a dp on the inactives. What is not villagery is the modkill idea imo.

They care to save their buddies and to lynch town...? Town (or at least me as town) care about number 1.

You as town should care about any townie. Especially to spot the lynchable townies and form with the towncore the Poe.

Fair point. In that case what do you think Sk's none agenda play makes him?

Where are the source of the fear to consider SK as villager?

Town...Like I said...

Good, we have a common read.

Conclusion here is that Luke looks better than Red in this interaction because he knows what he wants apparently.
Red reasoning is not focused and idk how to take this. Still she admits mistakes and she's backtracking but in my book these things are anti town. Still, not always who is anti town is mafia.
I'll keep reading and searching, there is one more post i need to find and reread.

 

[Michelle]

How about you ask hin questions so he can talk to you? Instead of waiting around.

I let him the possibility to clear himself in my eyes. If I put questions he as english native will find his way out of my suspicion. I have a reasoning behind my request of him to be active and that is to find his chain of thoughts.

Luke the ball is in your yard
@TheLukundo

 

[Thestatusquo]

Well yeah, town are inherently dumber, no matter who they are, because they are uninformed, I’m using the terms interchangeably so the repetition doesn’t make it exhausting. But yeah, villagers start with nothing ( dummies ) and they have to build their intelligence by asking questions and figuring stuff out. It’s not meant as in an offensive way, it’s the truth. Scum are informed on the spot, villagers don’t know anything and are never sure of anything.

You can replace that for uninformed if you didn’t like the word dumb, it wasn’t meant to be derogatory to anyone

Michelle, why would you care if it’s a non informational lynch if it lynches a scum? Just by how people react at EoD and who hops on his wagon and for what reason should be enough to clear some people.
If he’s scum, he’s scum and needs to get lynched

 

[Michelle]

Well yeah, town are inherently dumber, no matter who they are, because they are uninformed, I’m using the terms interchangeably so the repetition doesn’t make it exhausting. But yeah, villagers start with nothing ( dummies ) and they have to build their intelligence by asking questions and figuring stuff out. It’s not meant as in an offensive way, it’s the truth. Scum are informed on the spot, villagers don’t know anything and are never sure of anything.

You can replace that for uninformed if you didn’t like the word dumb, it wasn’t meant to be derogatory to anyone

Michelle, why would you care if it’s a non informational lynch if it lynches a scum? Just by how people react at EoD and who hops on his wagon and for what reason should be enough to clear some people.
If he’s scum, he’s scum and needs to get lynched

I am ok with village being unsure and stuff... i often say I am an idiot villager (i don't accept that from others though ^^)

Because he has 2 teammates and the lynch order may set the game's outcome.

I want to talk as much as possible before voting him amd I want everyone's PoEs but with inactivity is harder to have that.
I will post my list asap.

 

[Thestatusquo]

Well yeah, you can probe people, not to say this do ended, you have 13 hours ahead of reading and asking questions to people you suspect