[Game] Drinks of Sophistication - Mafia Game #20

[Naomi_Rose]

Chronical Voting Order:
Thestatusquo -> Kyte_
All_Red -> Thestatusquo
Thestatusquo -> All_Red
Michelle -> Ansatsuken
Ansatsuken -> Michelle
TheLukundo -> All_Red
Michelle ->
Ansatsuken ->
SoulKiller -> TheLukundo
TheLukundo -> SoulKiller
PaperBoiKonan -> Thestatusquo
Thestatusquo -> Kyte_
Ansatsuken -> Kyte_
TheLukundo ->
TheLukundo -> Kyte_
PaperBoiKonan ->
SoulKiller -> Corazon

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Thestatusquo, jumped on all red, then switched to kyte.


Then will have to check for sheep votes, but scum can also lead the lynch as well.

 

[Michelle]

11 pm and a tiresome day.. see you in the morning

 

[Naomi_Rose]

Oreki (Houtarou)
Red (AllRed)
Michelle
Luke (TheLukundo)
Thestatusquo
Ansatsuken

Umm.. i doubt scum team is that large. I jumped at you... tbh we cannot remember what you said in other game, no one should read other game except this thread so here you said nothing about no lynch day 1 and your playstyle. Or did you? and I was not seeing it, and I will appologise if it's like that.

I went for you first because I can't read you without stirring the pot. I can try to read Ansa, Oreki, Alice, Konno... But not yet you.

Who is town in your oppinion and why?

I never put votes on first day, as my play. In past other games. I know some people i play with who started lynch on first day. (which mostly cost town lives) It's mostly town then scum(scum is bad play/suicide)

depending on who is trigger lynch happy.

If it's town, scum would build a case on them next day or just kill them.
If it's scum, they will vote for other person if sus is thrown on them. or other town. Trying to get town cred.

I honestly did not see much of Oreki or red post. So my sus on them. And thestatusquo. and rest are neutral since i don't know these players/or played with them enough, to form a good read.

 

[SoulKiller]

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That night kill is sure is something. Alright, it is unfortunate we lost kyte, i knew something was off and wished he would survived so we could of got better read on him. But what happened happened. I had time to look back at the dp and reflect couple of stuff.

First of all, god damn i actually survived! is this a blessing? or could it be a curse? we are about to find out.

Before I start anything I want to place my vote on this guy.

VoteLynch: Ansatsuken.

Let me elaborate. First is to begin with his interaction with michelle. Michelle sensed something wrong about him and the way ansa reacted was very fcking suspicious. He retaliated by voting michelle, this tells me he felt kind of threatened but why would he be threatened by some suspicious by michelle? it makes no sense as townie to do so. He knew that was a bad play and tried to fix it by making or let's say tried to make a case against michelle on why she is wrong and then pulled his vote the moment michelle pulled his vote off of him. This is not a townie behavior, it screams scum.

The case he made against kyte honestly does not make sense as well. Yes kyte was not looking to hot but he made it to be more of a big of a deal than it really was. In my honest opinion we had better lynch candidates than kyte but the case he did changed other people minds like luke to join the wagon and secure a mislynch. Which, by the way i found very weird of luke to join ansa to vote kyte because of what ansa said. Especially after discussing with michelle that ansa could be scum by the way he interacted with michelle. This is very alarming to me right now because he kind of went and voted with ansa which he did not view very well yesterday until he read the case he made against kyte. I really have bad feeling about this and this vote could possibly be locked on. The more i read ansa posts and his interaction with michelle yesterday the more unease i feel about him.

 

[Just_Red]

Last dp, I became afk. My finals are over now, so I should be active again. So from what I see, yall lynched kyte. He was town. That aint good.

 

[SoulKiller]

Last dp, I became afk. My finals are over now, so I should be active again. So from what I see, yall lynched kyte. He was town. That aint good.

You better be more active or you will be next in my lynch after ansa. I really did not get any good vibes from you last DP. So, I am keeping a very close eye on you. But at the moment ansa has to go. No way, he is townie.

 

[SoulKiller]

even after I explained it to you you keep insisting in this and you say you don't vote me. If I am suspect, use the vote. If not, why are you affraid?

This is not what I expect from town Ansa at all.

This is how you do it for who is not staying ferm on his feet:

votelynch: @Ansatsuken

So you really believe I'm scum read you hahaha...

Yeah let's see how far you can go with that.

Here I see a scum trying to use Meta on me. Thinking that she knows me that good. Good job using a false Meta reading for your reasoning to vote me. I thought we can do some discussion but this girl apparently is a situation manipulator.

VoteLynch: Michelle

You know you have giving me enough reason to vote you. Town Michelle always love to spend into some discussion before anything else.

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Let's just look at these two posts. The way ansa react and place an immediate vote back. It's like he was not thinking straight, it was like an automatic defense mechanism where it does not make sense for a town. Only if he was a scum would this make sense. He taunts her saying that she is naive for thinking he might be scum and taunt her even more saying "let's see how far you can get" then try to justify it at the end by using his meta reads which is something mafia ansa tend to do more than townie ansa i feel like.

What's more interesting is the post after he voted michelle.

If I'm being honest to you All the Scum read I'm did on you is not legit. I'm just wanted to joking around with you. If I'm really suspecting you seriously I would wrote a well structured reasoning complete with numbers of point on why Michelle is scum inside my eyes before I ended it with voting you. But there's none here.


And my post with Luku as a reference is just to make a joke on him. Yes he was right that I'm a scum in that game but his reasons on me that's TMI is laughable.

Town Ansa isn't build around vote but Town Ansa is build around continuous analysis and theories before finalised it with voting.

"if im being honest to you all the scum read i did on you is not legit, i was just joking around with you."

he kind of backtracks and say that whatever he was doing was a joke. My initial thought is he knew he did a mistake and tried to backtrack whatever he was doing against michelle to just hopefully get himself out of this mess. But why would you joke about it in the first place? that's scummy and trying to throw dirt on her way but the wagon he tried to make against her just did not pick any steam. Then as we all know he took his vote off her when she took his vote off him. Another red alert in my book following these two scummy plays he did. Those are 3 red points in my book. Conclusion? ansa is scum.

 

[SoulKiller]

I don't understand how some people playing this game. They weren't trying to scum Hunt but when they see other players voting someone they start suspecting those players.

Now looking back at even these posts he made toward the end. They all smell fake. It's like he is trying to show everyone that he is a helpless townie trying to do something but team is not there.

 

[Thestatusquo]

SK, what’s different between Ansa voting Kyte and you voting Corazon? They both haven’t said a word and logically speaking, you could get more information out of them if you let them alive, even though it isn’t a sure thing, just a possibility.

I’m not lynching Ansa though, investigative checks should be on the people that aren’t speaking a word. If they are cleared, only then we consider deep wolves. This is just a bad strategy overall. Let the non posters skate until late game and lynch the ones that are actually posting, and for what reason?

You’re basically doing the mafia’s job for them.

I have a feeling that only town have voted last phase, ESPECIALLY the people on Kyte. Ansa’s case on Kyte made sense and it covered a lot of stuff that I suspected him for as well. Talk to me about what’s iffy in his case.

I can see your view on the Michelle interaction though, although it could’ve been a really unfortunate miscomunication / misinterpretation of what each other meant. The fact that they haven’t really reached a consensus on what actually was the problem (misunderstanding) and instead took another way, it does seem a bit bad for Ansa. I’m not taking this one thing and calling him scum for it, town do stupid stuff as well. If he’s done more town stuff than scum stuff, then the read is still a town.

I don’t think we should hold an axe above his head only for that + him championing a lynch on a, mind you, 6 posts poster, from which 3 of them were not related to the game and the other were defending himself and asking for time. On day one, with the least amount of information.

 

[TheLukundo]

What gave you the town read on Paperboi ?

The fact they were questioning if they can vote. Seems like summat easily askable in scumchat.

 

[TheLukundo]

OMFG SK HURTS MY BRAIN

 

[TheLukundo]

I’ll be back in 48 hours once I’ve read SK’s post.

 

[SoulKiller]

SK, what’s different between Ansa voting Kyte and you voting Corazon? They both haven’t said a word and logically speaking, you could get more information out of them if you let them alive, even though it isn’t a sure thing, just a possibility.

You see the difference here is that i know kyte is a capable player and could benefit townies alot if he is one. Which he turned out to be one. I am pretty sure we could of got alot of better reads on him. As for my vote on corazon, honestly it was way better than kyte, he would probably be inactive this dp as well. Why i picked corazon specifically is because out of the lists of inactives i deemed him better lynch than kyte and hoped people would join the wagon. Obviously they did not. Even ansa himself said he got a bad feeling about this before the end of dp1 this also could be an attempt to try and clear himself and put him in better situation when kyte had more votes and eod was nearing the end.

I’m not lynching Ansa though, investigative checks should be on the people that aren’t speaking a word. If they are cleared, only then we consider deep wolves. This is just a bad strategy overall. Let the non posters skate until late game and lynch the ones that are actually posting, and for what reason?

I am not telling you to do anything, I am simply laying off my case and my vote on ansa is most likely locked as well. You have to think for your own but i disagree deep wolfers are much more dangerous and better to get rid of early when they make mistakes like ansa rather than let them deep wolf too deep it would be hard to make a case against them.

You’re basically doing the mafia’s job for them.

This makes no sense, i am trying to get rid of mafia here. If anything you are helping them here by trying to ignore potential deep wolf players because in your head it makes more sense to keep them alive for later and deal with them later.

I have a feeling that only town have voted last phase, ESPECIALLY the people on Kyte. Ansa’s case on Kyte made sense and it covered a lot of stuff that I suspected him for as well. Talk to me about what’s iffy in his case.

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You seriously saying people who are on the kyte wagon are townie ? for what? and how much confident are you about it? Because he took bunch of irrelevant posts kyte made and made it seem more than it really is. Kyte already had 1 vote on him which was by you and what better way than to join another person wagon? especially if that person views ansa as a strong townie. It could very well be to make that connection you have about ansa stronger which leads you to clouded judgment like now.

I can see your view on the Michelle interaction though, although it could’ve been a really unfortunate miscomunication / misinterpretation of what each other meant. The fact that they haven’t really reached a consensus on what actually was the problem (misunderstanding) and instead took another way, it does seem a bit bad for Ansa. I’m not taking this one thing and calling him scum for it, town do stupid stuff as well. If he’s done more town stuff than scum stuff, then the read is still a town.

Ansa is smarter than to have it be a "really unfortunate miscomunication" that entire interaction with michelle and how everything played it. Only conclusion i can make of it is that ansa is scum.

I don’t think we should hold an axe above his head only for that + him championing a lynch on a, mind you, 6 posts poster, from which 3 of them were not related to the game and the other were defending himself and asking for time. On day one, with the least amount of information.

if you connect everything ansa did last dp it only adds more red points next to his name from michelle interaction to the way he made his case to kyte to the way he acted at the end of the dp as well. Is a scum being sneaky under the radar deep wolfing and has to go down.

 

[SoulKiller]

OMFG SK HURTS MY BRAIN

hopefully in a good way ^^

 

[SoulKiller]

I understand why you are so protective of ansa as well. If ansa turned out red it will look bad on you. But you see @Thestatusquo i think you simply have wrong reads about the dude. I don't think you are necessarily mafia yet. From what I gathered you seem more of a townie who is trying to make sense of things in his own way of thinking and fixated in that thinking, refusing to look at things from different perspectives.

 

[SoulKiller]

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[Thestatusquo]

I am considering the world where Ansa is scum, it’s just that I rely more heavily on probability than possibility.

If Ansa turns out red it doesn’t look bad for me in the slightest. Why would you think it does? Maybe it will decrease my already non-existent confidence, but why would you make that connection?

 

[SoulKiller]

I’m not taking this one thing and calling him scum for it, town do stupid stuff as well. If he’s done more town stuff than scum stuff, then the read is still a town.

You see a good mafia will make minimum mistakes that hints him at being scum and will do alot of townie stuff to trick the players. Which is why you don't look at it from the perspective "oh this kid did more good than harm then he is townie most likely". How do you crack deep wolfer? when he does that one mistake that reveals his true identity that's when you strike him down.

 

[Thestatusquo]

I am considering your viewpoint and I can’t make sense of it. I told you that I do agree with your opinion on the Michelle interaction, but everything else I disagree with.

I think that it’s bad practice to go for deep wolves, chasing ghosts when we haven’t even ruled out the people that aren’t doing anything. Just because we mislynched on day one, doesn’t mean there are deep wolves. It’s a hasty conclusion and it can cost us a lot.

Please, take your time and truly evaluate. If you’re doing this because you wish Ansa was a bad guy and you will get the credit for it, then you’re doing it wrong. It’s called confirmation bias.

If he’s truly a mafia then he’ll slip up worse than that michelle thing. This conversation right here would pressure him into acting a lot more careful as well.

 

[SoulKiller]

I am considering the world where Ansa is scum, it’s just that I rely more heavily on probability than possibility.

If Ansa turns out red it doesn’t look bad for me in the slightest. Why would you think it does? Maybe it will decrease my already non-existent confidence, but why would you make that connection?

The way you were defending ansa, it seemed to me that because you made a case yesterday about how strongly you view ansa as townie and thought maybe just maybe he is being defensive of ansa because it might not look too good on him if he turned out red. Now obviously this might not be the case but liked to express what i thought from the way i was reading things. I hope that is not the case for your own sake, seeing this post of yours i am inclined to believe it's not the case which is good. I did mention before that you seem very rational but i told you. Being too rational can lead you to fucked up endings. You are new and you have alot to learn still.