[Game] Drinks of Sophistication - Mafia Game #20

[Thestatusquo]

And by the way, Houtarou flipping red kind of clears Lukundo, Michelle. That’s the person who you’ve been struggling to figure two day phases in a row. How’s that not informational

 

[SoulKiller]

SK you're next. Wait till I get back home.

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is that so?

The case on Houtarou



First question seems reasonable enough. He's trying to probe into Ansa's head and figure why he'd make that comment. From the way he was asking it, turns out he might've disagreed with it, therefore, I would've expected that he's on to something.

I will add a quick note here. As much as mafia is a game about what people do, it is also a game about what they don't do. I want you to notice how he just flies over this question and doesn't follow through with it.



Now, he's got into assessing a whole another person and not giving a damn about whatever Ansa replied with. He didn't form a read off of Ansa. Now he moved on to Lukundo. This also seems like a reasonable question to ask, but why single Lukundo out for it and why doesn't he try to make something of it on his own? I want you to ask yourselves, when have you ever asked someone about their opinion on an interaction and you ever followed whatever answer as provided without analysing it yourselves in the first place?



This is where his questions start going downhill. I think it's just this one and one more after. What purpose does this question serve for his deduction of my alignment? Absolutely zero. It's just some sort of teasing / banter that you'd do in the third grade when you had a crush or something. In this post, you can absolutely tell he was not in a mentality of trying to figure out my role, just in one that is looking to be active and joke with people.



We reach a very different type of mentality in here. Although in the first few posts we saw some sort of inquisitive Houtarou, in this post we see a Houtarou that tries to shut down someone's read on someone, which is NOT townie. Try and put yourself into his position and explore this realm for yourself. "Why would anyone trust a gut feeling?" -> denying a read, putting someone's reads down.

"you made a hunch that ansa was mafia in last game but things don't work this way" -> again, denying a read. And the last phrase is just the exact same thing. The mentality that comes out of this specific post is that of an ongoing denial. Why would he question gut reads? That's a lot of times what town do. They vote weirdly and not at all times is there tangible evidence for a vote. I find it hard to believe that he would question Lukundo's gut read as a town here. Especially if Houtarou has played before, he KNOWS that as town reads like that happen at all times. If I were in his shoes and I didn't know anyone's alignment, that's not a statement I would make. I'd look to further explore that gut feeling and what caused it, because deep down, there IS a reason for suspecting someone, although vague, it can be found in a post, cuz that's what usually causes it. But this guy just straight up shut down his read without even giving any sort of read on Ansa. It looks like he knows both of their alignments and is shutting someone's reads down in order to look cool / appear like he's doing solid work. This post should rustle everyone's jimmies



And then this is the peak of my points that I made in the last few questions. "Give town reads like gold, not candy" -> wolf mentality. Trying to shut down my town reads. I didn't even give my reasoning for my town reads and he's just instantly shutting it down. I don't think that's a genuine thought that he'd have. I don't think he has ever played a town game and NEVER found a town on day one. Mind you, this comment was made on a read of mine that consisted of 3 people. 3. Not 6, not 7. 3.

This post is just all wrong in all sorts of ways. He just instantly shuts down my town reads and wants me to move with my scum reads. That's not town mentality. He already knows my role most likely, he already knows I'm on a right track and is trying to deflect. He didn't even try exploring why I have those reads. No attempt of sorting me, just denial of my reads. Same thing with Luk (denial of a gut read) and same thing with Ansa. Asked him a question that he never followed up on.

Try to ask yourselves whether you'd actually ever make that comment if you were in his shoes and you were town, part of the UNINFORMED minority. If you wanted to figure someone out, you'd ask why someone has those reads, you wouldn't shut them down. When was ever a town's agenda to shut someone's town reads down?

Listen man, next DP I don't mind lynching Houtarou hell we will go back and forth about all possible candidates for the next dp. But ansa needs to go first this dp. Houtarous is afk least threat if they are mafia. We caught a deep wolf here in ansa and he needs to die.

This scum team sure clever but guys you all not gonna fool me.


soulkiller was addressing something that for him look negative. That's a different thing. Scum capable to do that.

So I'm going to be clear. I see these two as Scum right now, All_Red and Michelle.

So if they follow SoulKiller to vote Me these three are confirmed Mafia. It because they look highly on SoulKiller.

Remember townie these 3 people. Maybe there's another one that I don't know.


Whether I die in this round or not please focus on these people. These people are good with structuring their text and choosing their word but don't be fool to them.

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But what happens when you turn out to be scum?

Trying to use such tactics to stop people from voting you. You must be really desperate.

But right now I will go with

VoteLynch: All_Red

But I know their big gun is SoulKiller.

-SoulKiller
-All_Red
-Michelle

They have bring out their fangs.


These. I can see clearly. Scum cant be found among the inactive one.

When I said "I've bad feeling with the current situation" in the last 2 hours of 1DP I'm referring to them exactly.

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damn man didn't know i can become the leader and the big gun because i caught scum. Should do it more often.

Ansa, please focus elsewhere. Ignore your voters. If you're town and you don't feel like the accusations on you are justified, focus elsewhere. Your perception of them is already a bad one from that start, that's flawed. Let us figure out who's the scum on your wagon if it comes to that.

You are looking really bad right now, with each conversation that you have with your partners. If you keep on doing this, I won't be motivated to defend you anymore and I'll just accept the fact you're mafia.

If you're town, you're getting yourself lynched, and that's bad. Make cases on other people.

He is scum, trying to do some damage before he goes away.

 

[Michelle]

Playerlist from towniest to scummiest
Mich - i am the only confirmed for me, I am villager.
SK - villa, i already said why, non agenda-y play, vibe and tone.
TSQ - except he plays too well for a beginner in mafia he sounds extremely villagery.
AllRed - for now she looks villagery more than scummish, she leans town for me since the get go and despise the logic mistakes she don't push a scum agenda.
Alice - leans town, doesn't ping in an odd way like it did in previous games when she was scum.
Naomi - balanced tone and posts she is null in the upper part.
Konno - null, she will go up if she will post
Oreki - inactive. I don't want to hung him, no one said a thing to defend him. Where is his pack?
Corazon - inactive, null. One poster in so much time? in the reddish part of null.
Ansa - wolf - when a player you know well and knowns you well comes and say bad things without thinking and avoiding a logical train of thoughts the only explanation is he is mafia.
Luke - my friend Luke is scum by many reasons i pointed out, he still knows to post and he is never frozen so I need to think at actions. Sheeping reads, not reading, to not mention my feeling of him being scum, these are the main problems.

 

[SoulKiller]

Lol if I made it a big deal I would give a full focus on you and the "clues" I'm talking about. And yes I felt offended when you used Meta against me and not in game subject to be your reasoning to vote me. The Meta reasoning you're using is unfounded too. For me that's not looking right.

Lol I know you're wrong because I'm is your subject in focus. The owner of Ansatsuken's META. Do you just questioned the owner of his META. Lol you even said it just your "perception", so how is your perception is more right than the owner of the META? Perception can be wrong.

My META is for all to see. Just refer/check my previous games to know better. And no one approach stayed the same. It changing according to the situation. But there's something that doesn't really change much, my involvement.

Nitpicky in what way? I just seeing someone is twisting my honest and direct statements and playing to not understand. Stop twisting Michelle!!

why do you seem to be at the edge of your seat right now? pressure getting into you?

SK for me is scum because in the previous day he's voting Corazon, someone who just having only one post. How is that is not scummier than me voting Kyte? And now he just looked like an opportunist. Someone who just found something to be exploit.

You will understand after I've addressed SK's posts.

And I'm not voting him but All_Red

You see buddy.... I did not vote you here for voting kyte. I voted you because you slipped while interacting with michelle. It's that simple, it's like fishing, sitting there chillin and wait until you catch a fish, the moment you do tho you never let go otherwise the fish will go away. But if you pull back boom you successfully caught a fish. This is not very different, the only different thing is that it's scum i just caught.

Funny tho, cause i explained why i voted corazon and also explained my reasoning for not voting kyte.

 

[Michelle]

And by the way, Houtarou flipping red kind of clears Lukundo, Michelle. That’s the person who you’ve been struggling to figure two day phases in a row. How’s that not informational

Give me please the reason of why is Luke cleared by Houtarou flipping red.
And I am not struggling. I gave him few chances after I gut read him scum.

 

[Michelle]

Michelle, why would you care if it’s a non informational lynch if it lynches a scum? Just by how people react at EoD and who hops on his wagon and for what reason should be enough to clear some people.
If he’s scum, he’s scum and needs to get lynched

I know I answered at this. What do you know about the lynching order? The most important is to lynch in the right order.
This is a luck thing usually, but having Oreki as inactive since long time is not a thing to help here. We have 2 active wolves howling if Oreki is scum and 3 if he is villager.

Listen man, next DP I don't mind lynching Houtarou hell we will go back and forth about all possible candidates for the next dp. But ansa needs to go first this dp. Houtarous is afk least threat if they are mafia. We caught a deep wolf here in ansa and he needs to die.

Yeah, I think Luke is scum but I am down to lynching Ansa because he is wolfish.

 

[SoulKiller]

Better lynch candidate than Kyte? You mean Corazon. Which is more scummier in my mind lynching low poster without any concrete reasoning. If I followed you voting Corazon(and I believe he's town) and he get lynched and flipped town, what you're going to say about that? What would be your excuses then? And I think All_Red was much better lynch candidate than Corazon.

Yes better lynch candidate than kyte. I said if kyte was townie he will be very helpful for town and to give a chance for second dp where we can read him better. It turned out he is townie. No, if corazon got lynched and he turned out to be townie then it does not harm us much because he is afk as you can see which proved my point on why i wanted kyte to be alive. I agree with you there as well, I don't like all_red either but can't vote her now when you are clear as day scum now can I?

Made matter worse for you, you're there in the last hour but you never tried to challenge my stand on Kyte. If you aware that I'm not being fair to Kyte so you should try to talk sense into me but you just ignored it. Why? Because you want to use this unfortunate situation to your best advantage?

my phone was dead dude. I made it clear in my posts that i would prefer it if kyte survived and read him better in the following dp. What more do you want me to explain more than that? go into deep philosophical question about the identity crisis of kyte?

And you aren't in a better situation either. It Because you're full of bias and negativity without a room for discussion and reconsideration from the look at it. At least I always leave people with room for discussion. So its up to that player if they want me to know them better or not.

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You see my friend... i am not full of bias nor negativity. Tell me ansa, do you give killers room for discussion? the point of this game is to find scum and lynch them and you are scum my friend. I can let you talk all you want but at the end of the day I gotta lynch scum my friend. So what's the point?

 

[SoulKiller]

Because they all are your "friends"?

And you never asked me about 'Mechanical evidence" before when we played together as town so why you asking something like that today?


I want to see how long you gonna play with words, term etc etc..

Because scum don't hunting so they just going to woven words.


I know your only suspect right now is only Lukundo. Would you suspect All_Red? Do you aware how Timid is All_Red. She's not really wanting to solve or finding resolution. She right now just gonna conform to you or SK.

I will deal with all_red, and all the other candidate after taking out a more troublesome scum first. That's you.

 

[SoulKiller]

When you're not in the shoe of the person you're talking about ofcourse everything doesn't make sense.

And why you're not addressed this matter properly before? Why now? Collecting ammo for your next journey? If you say only Scum would do that but Scum Ansa never retaliated like that before. So the logic is unfounded. So that means there could be a different reason.

I chuckled reading the last part of the post. And I never did what you have said before. Find me an evidence please. No one would believe you without any evidence.

That's because i went back and reread DP1 multiple times before DP2 started ansa. The more i read it the scummier you got and i have good feeling i am right. Don't need ammos to kill scum, I like it old school style.

I am glad you chuckled because maybe i was right? and if i am right then obviously means you chuckled.

First thing after Michelle voted me I'm asking her "so you really believe I'm scum reading you?"

And how can you said I'm backpedaling when I never made any official confirmation that I'm suspecting Michelle using those "clues". So I'm not into guilty side here.

For real there's no mistake done by me. I have my own freedom when to put a vote. So Why Michelle feel like she had power over me to decide when should I vote? If I'm not suspecting her for real so why should I vote her? That's not reasonable at all. Meant I'm not really taking all those "clues" as a serious matter. Simple.

I think you should reread that interaction again ansa and you will see where you fucked up. Trust me I would of loved if you were town because i think you are a capable player. But you are scum ansa I just have to get rid of you before you do more damage.

Your reasoning is as bad as my reasoning on Kyte.

So you know that your reasoning for kyte was bad? you said it not me lol.

My vote is locked on you now.

You are scum.

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[SoulKiller]

Why you're not following SK voting me?

I don't think she is following anyone. She is the first one to have a case to lynch you buddy. Anyone who votes you now is somehow following me? i would love if they all come with me to Armageddon then would be cool xD

Houtarou is so bleeding scum and I don’t understand how you guys are so oblivious to this. I’mma do a meta check and see for myself, this dude seems way off in this game.

as i said before. Ansa first then we focus on the rest.

 

[SoulKiller]

status is always fucking town. I ain’t locking it but I’m at like 95% there and I would be fucking gobsmacked if he’s scum.

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Vote Lynch: Houtarou

I say we get scum *cough* ansa *cough* first.

 

[Ansatsuken]

why do you seem to be at the edge of your seat right now? pressure getting into you?

Nah I'm easily getting furious when someone unable to understand my direct explanation where I needed to repeat the same thing it again and again and again.

I don't know. Its either they really don't understand or just pretending not to understand.

You see buddy.... I did not vote you here for voting kyte. I voted you because you slipped while interacting with michelle. It's that simple, it's like fishing, sitting there chillin and wait until you catch a fish, the moment you do tho you never let go otherwise the fish will go away. But if you pull back boom you successfully caught a fish. This is not very different, the only different thing is that it's scum i just caught.

Funny tho, cause i explained why i voted corazon and also explained my reasoning for not voting kyte.

Your explanation on why you're voting Corazon doesn't matter because what you said about Corazon can also be applied to other inactive at that time. So voting Corazon for you was safer than other players I guess. People have become against voting player like Corazon but it's weird you see that as not a big issue. I believe the chance you hitting a scum between people like Corazon and people like Kyte is higher on people like Kyte. It because villager tend to see themself as someone who not hold an important mission unlike scum whose mission is killing and winning. They know they cant stay forever inactive. Because sooner or later the focus will be on them. Look at you trying to lynch Corazon and TSQ trying to lynch Houtarou. Being or Stays inactive actually is not a safe idea for Scum. They need to always be between active town.

So your voting choice in Corazon is a questionable motive too. And there's no suggestion that's a good motive.

 

[SoulKiller]

I know I answered at this. What do you know about the lynching order? The most important is to lynch in the right order.
This is a luck thing usually, but having Oreki as inactive since long time is not a thing to help here. We have 2 active wolves howling if Oreki is scum and 3 if he is villager.

Yeah, I think Luke is scum but I am down to lynching Ansa because he is wolfish.

You would be doing town a favor by finally getting rid of a scum. I want everyone if possible to vote ansa off.

 

[SoulKiller]

Your explanation on why you're voting Corazon doesn't matter because what you said about Corazon can also be applied to other inactive at that time. So voting Corazon for you was safer than other players I guess. People have become against voting player like Corazon but it's weird you see that as not a big issue. I believe the chance you hitting a scum between people like Corazon and people like Kyte is higher on people like Kyte. It because villager tend to see themself as someone who not hold an important mission unlike scum whose mission is killing and winning. They know they cant stay forever inactive. Because sooner or later the focus will be on them. Look at you trying to lynch Corazon and TSQ trying to lynch Houtarou. Being or Stays inactive actually is not a safe idea for Scum. They need to always be between active town.

So your voting choice in Corazon is a questionable motive too. And there's no suggestion that's a good motive.

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Which i clearly said i wouldn't mind lynching any of the inactive players. It's just at that point and time i picked the person i deemed most fit to be lynched because i knew he won't contribute or help much, if he is mafia, then good he is dead. If he is townie, then whatever it's not gonna change the current situation at all as you can see yourself. He is just being a burden for townies by making us waste time to suspect afks. Same thing applies to all the other inactive players. I see them more of a burden for town than actual townies. So this entire thing you keep going on about over and over again proves nothing really it's just the cries of a dying scum. Now I think that I need to start looking into other people, no need to waste more time on you anymore. My vote on you is locked and you are scum.

 

[SoulKiller]

And by the way, Houtarou flipping red kind of clears Lukundo, Michelle. That’s the person who you’ve been struggling to figure two day phases in a row. How’s that not informational

You know you talk alot about how we should cooperate and help each other to kill scum. I think if you use your own advise as well you would go to places.

As for reads for now

Michelle : i am reading her townie for now.
Luke : honestly null for now he did some stuff that raise questions but when ansa flips red i think we will get better read on him.
Status : he is being towny and contributing, he just need to see the bigger picture. I still have my eyes on him tho.
All_ red: don't like her vibe
Naomi : null.
Ansa : haha i bet you know what i think of ansa already ^^ if not then let me give ya a hint. "Scum!"

Everyone else either did not provide much so they are all filthy scum. If we have some vig role i would love if he went after one of those inactives.

Also, if we have a doctor i want be to protected this coming night pls. Don't let me die baby pls. Don't let me die.

 

[SoulKiller]

For whatever reason I feel there's something wrong with this post. so You automatically town read everyone who voted last DP and those non voters are Mafia
im going to use Noami's post whom btw im leaning town. The way she reacted to Michelle's posts seems rawand very genuine


Chronical Voting Order:
Thestatusquo -> Kyte_
All_Red -> Thestatusquo
Thestatusquo -> All_Red
Michelle -> Ansatsuken
Ansatsuken -> Michelle
TheLukundo -> All_Red
Michelle ->
Ansatsuken ->
SoulKiller -> TheLukundo
TheLukundo -> SoulKiller
PaperBoiKonan -> Thestatusquo
Thestatusquo -> Kyte_
Ansatsuken -> Kyte_
TheLukundo ->
TheLukundo -> Kyte_
PaperBoiKonan ->
SoulKiller -> Corazon




question statusquo why did you locked your vote on Kyte

lol i was scrolling through the posts and wow i saw a rare gem in the way. Yes ladies and gentlemen it's an alice post. Such rarity, i almost cannot believe my eyes. Who let her out from her heavenly cage? But sarcasm aside I like this post of her.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Ansa - wolf - when a player you know well and knowns you well comes and say bad things without thinking and avoiding a logical train of thoughts the only explanation is he is mafia.

You mean Lukundo here? This post sounds like you having me and Lukundo as a scum buddy.

Care to explain.

I will stay with All_Red. She's your truly Mafia and you will know it after you lynched her.

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And then folks you already got your remaining Mafia members.

I wondered sometimes, how Lukundo is even a scum when at one point of time he had me as scum? I know its no used to entertain Luku when he has set his mindset firmly.

If Luku is Mafia the only possible teammate of him is TSQ. The others???

I need to try finding the other dots.

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

I will try my best to catch up. Interesting things happened.


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Been waiting for these Ansatsuken versus SoulKiller posts since the beginning of my mafia career. My .....

 

[Ansatsuken]

You know and can feel Mafia is in control of situation.

 

[Ansatsuken]

I will try my best to catch up. Interesting things happened.


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Been waiting for these Ansatsuken versus SoulKiller posts since the beginning of my mafia career. My .....

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