[Discussion] Do you accept the theory of evolution?

[Howard]

Let me take you through a different creation story. In the beginning there was only Chaos. Then out of the void appeared Erebus, the unknowable place where death dwells, and Night. All else was empty, silent, endless, dark. Then, Love was born bringing along the beginning of order. From Love emerged Light, followed by Gaea, the earth.
Erebus slept with Night, eventually giving birth to Ether, the heavenly light, and to Day, the earthly light. Then, Night alone created Doom, Fate, Death, Sleep, Dreams, Nemesis, and all things that dwell in the darkness haunting mankind.

 

[Multiply]

Well let me take you through a creation story which you very well know but have might never had any deep thought about
Day1. Let there be light then there it came to be.And God called the light day an darkness night thus rotation of the earth begun.
Day2.let an expanse come to be in between the waters. Then God made a division between the water that should be beneath the expanse and the water that should be above it. Now here it is in order for there to be water above an expanse the should be heat that would evaporate water below it. Now you might ask where the heat would be coming from, well the was light created on the first day so the will be heat eventually. Apparently the was no space between the evaporated water and the one below thus making God make an expanse in order to separate the two. These two steps alone show that creation story isnt some folktale or myth. I ll leave the subsequent steps to the ones who really want to know the truth to find out for themselves

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Lmfao, what?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Damn, all that work I put into my post and people still aren't keen on learning.

 

[NarutoKage2]

How can this not be a religious thread. You believing in it or not clearly shows what you believe and have faith in which is your religion. It's like asking me do you believe in photosynthesis and telling this isnt a scientific thread therefore has nothing to do with science.

There's as much scientific evidence for photosynthesis as there is for evolution. If I made a mistake in the op, it was to state evolution as a 'theory' as opposed to a 'fact', which it is.

No answer to how life originated. It should be obvious. And thanks to the latter i ll keep the latter in mind

That's not evolution, that's the origin of life. Evolution comes after that, at least educate yourself before announcing your stupidity in public.

 

[DominiqueX]

Damn, all that work I put into my post and people still aren't keen on learning.

It's always like this :/
A lot of people are just incapable of learning. :hug:

 

[NarutoKage2]

Well let me take you through a creation story which you very well know but have might never had any deep thought about
Day1. Let there be light then there it came to be.And God called the light day an darkness night thus rotation of the earth begun.
Day2.let an expanse come to be in between the waters. Then God made a division between the water that should be beneath the expanse and the water that should be above it. Now here it is in order for there to be water above an expanse the should be heat that would evaporate water below it. Now you might ask where the heat would be coming from, well the was light created on the first day so the will be heat eventually. Apparently the was no space between the evaporated water and the one below thus making God make an expanse in order to separate the two. These two steps alone show that creation story isnt some folktale or myth. I ll leave the subsequent steps to the ones who really want to know the truth to find out for themselves

Oh and this is the same creation story where 'god' made 'light' on the first 'day' but he made the sun, which is the source of 'light' and for the 'day' we observe on the fourth day? Lol.

 

[Cornson]

You sure about what you saying cause the theory of evolution isnt being questioned by fundamentalist Christians, but is also being questioned by reputable scientist

you are actually wrong here, there are no reputable scientists who question evolution.

Fun fact there are more scientists named Steve (or some variant of steve/stephen etc) who stand behind evolution than there are scientists who stands against it's more than 99.1% of the scientific community that work with anything regarding biology or any other subject that comes close to it know it's a fact, and the fringe who disbelieve it are almost all devout religious people who know they have to reject reality because of their faith (many of them admits this) and on top of that most of the scientists that don't believe in evolution also don't work with anything regarding evolution.

To top it up scientist have no clear-cut answer, because chemist have never succeeded in reproducing nature's experiments on the creation of life out of non living matter. And they also have no proof that life was not the result of an act of creation

Scientists does not have to answer how life got started to talk about evolution, it have nothing to with it.

dumbed down all evolution is: is how life changes true time (we are not talking years but about generations here)

how life started is called "abiogenesis" and does not have anything to do with evolution.

 

[Hagoromo Reanimation]

You believe in micro-evolution but not evolution, which means you don't believe in macro-evolution. So then tell me what macro-evolution is. The most common reason for the bold statement is a misunderstanding of evolution.

Some clever explanations to help you with your thought processes:

The creationist view is that the colors red and yellow are very different. That yellow can undergo microevolution and become Goldenrod yellow or Neon yellow, but this is still yellow. Yellow will never become red or blue or purple.

Someone who fully understands evolution, however, realizes that it is possible for the original color to be orange. And that over time, some of these orange creatures became yellow while others became red. And that this process of changing from orange to yellow is the exact same process of changing from orange to light orange to pale orange to Goldenrod yellow, and then to yellow.

There is no difference between the two concepts because they both work on the same basic mechanism. It would be like saying "I can count to a thousand but I can't count to a billion so the number 1,000,000,000 does not exist". The mechanism of counting up by 1 does not change, only the scale does.

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The concept of color doesn't really exist well not in a 1st 2nd 3rd dimension when it comes to quantum physics plus Mathematical laws & Universal Psychical laws comes to limitations at a point. If something is infinitely big that leaves no room for everything else to exist but in Mathematical terms it has no limitation or boundaries infinite exist.


Chromatics has a really complex system when you really look into Yellow can become Red because Red is one of the origin of Yellow remove the extreme low radio frequency & extreme fast gamma rays from Green the spectrum of the photons will become Yellow again.

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Evolution in the sense of when we were created as a single cell organism makes way more sense being that probably in the beginning of the earths formation so many chemical compounds of gases & liquids around but from jumping from species to species that's not evolution that's straight up mutation.

So your telling Scientist
1.Can find 3.5 billion year old bacteria older than evolution itself
2.Stars,Suns,Planets giving off gamma rays billions of light years away
3.Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation echos of the big bang from 13.5 billion years ago
4.Can find Water & traces of Radiation on Mars which is 54.6 million kilometers away

but can't find the chemical elements that caused mutation of evolution? Why hasn't the Y chromosomes of the Purgatorius or mitochondria of the human,ape,squirrel,rats,mice ancestor not trace us back yet? I'm not debunking science as a whole i honestly respect it but evolution is one those topics i don't believe in to much back tracking like religion to much missing links and people expect you to except like facts.

 

[Bling Kai]

So the point of this thread is to ask people if they accept evolution as fact or not, only to condemn those that dont. So shouldn't this thread be titled, "Accept evolution as fact.......or else"!!?

 

[Scooby Doo]

So the point of this thread is to ask people if they accept evolution as fact or not, only to condemn those that dont. So shouldn't this thread be titled, "Accept evolution as fact.......or else"!!?

This is NB

 

[Multiply]

Evolution in the sense of when we were created as a single cell organism makes way more sense being that probably in the beginning of the earths formation so many chemical compounds of gases & liquids around but from jumping from species to species that's not evolution that's straight up mutation.

Which is... Evolution.

So your telling Scientist
1.Can find 3.5 billion year old bacteria older than evolution itself
2.Stars,Suns,Planets giving off gamma rays billions of light years away
3.Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation echos of the big bang from 13.5 billion years ago
4.Can find Water & traces of Radiation on Mars which is 54.6 million kilometers away

Yep.

but can't find the chemical elements that caused mutation of evolution?

What do you even mean? Are you talking about how life started? That's not evolution.

Why hasn't the Y chromosomes of the Purgatorius or mitochondria of the human,ape,squirrel,rats,mice ancestor not trace us back yet?

Back to what...? I don't understand what you're saying because your sentences don't make much sense(T

I'm not debunking science as a whole i honestly respect it but evolution is one those topics i don't believe in to much back tracking like religion to much missing links and people expect you to except like facts.

We expect you to do your own research and understand these findings yourself.

So the point of this thread is to ask people if they accept evolution as fact or not, only to condemn those that dont. So shouldn't this thread be titled, "Accept evolution as fact.......or else"!!?

This is called a discussion forum. Why would you be on it if you don't understand what that entails? Discussions involve disagreeing with people and telling them why. You could do the same thing with any topic.

I'm not telling people to accept evolution as a fact. I'm telling people to understand all that evolution is, then make that decision. You can't say you don't agree with evolution if you don't even understand it. It's like asking a kid if he likes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and he says no. Well the kid has never even had one, so how would he know? Take a bite of the peanut butter jelly sandwich first, then make your decision.

 

[Trollo Lucilfer]

Evolution is a fact.

 

[The Necromancer]

So the point of this thread is to ask people if they accept evolution as fact or not, only to condemn those that dont. So shouldn't this thread be titled, "Accept evolution as fact.......or else"!!?

I think it's more to separate the intelligent from those incapable of accepting evidence.

What fun would this thread be if every response was "yes" or "no?"

 

[Bling Kai]

Which is... Evolution.


Yep.


What do you even mean? Are you talking about how life started? That's not evolution.


Back to what...? I don't understand what you're saying because your sentences don't make much sense(T



We expect you to do your own research and understand these findings yourself.




This is called a discussion forum. Why would you be on it if you don't understand what that entails? Discussions involve disagreeing with people and telling them why. You could do the same thing with any topic.

I'm not telling people to accept evolution as a fact. I'm telling people to understand all that evolution is, then make that decision. You can't say you don't agree with evolution if you don't even understand it. It's like asking a kid if he likes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and he says no. Well the kid has never even had one, so how would he know? Take a bite of the peanut butter jelly sandwich first, then make your decision.

My post is specifically directed at the creator of the thread and is questioning the intent and purpose of it. He asks if you except evolution or not and those that don't are ridiculed, condemned by him and many other that share his view. The thread title show no indication of his intent of doing that, it indicates he is simply curious to know peoples views.

So i suspect the thread was a bait targeted at anyone that doesn't believe in evolution to basically force them to believe in it. Or ay least try to convince them to believe in it.

I'm not sure if you missed that point or not. Why are you breaking down the basic meaning of a discussion with me here?

I know there is going to be a discussion about it. However the discussions are obviously just people shoving their views down each others throats justifying said actions with the well my view is based of facts and proof argument. Or the my faith dictates its true argument. This can be just a result of the nature of disscusion of course, but the fact that the thread creator is participating in this way of discussion convinces me my suspicions are I'm fact true.

Couldn't he just ask why someone has said views leave it at that? Though once again this could just be due to the nature of disscusion of this kind.

 

[The Necromancer]

My post is specifically directed at the creator of the thread and is questioning the intent and purpose of it. He asks if you except evolution or not and those that don't are ridiculed, condemned by him and many other that share his view. The thread title show no indication of his intent of doing that, it indicates he is simply curious to know peoples views.

So i suspect the thread was a bait targeted at anyone that doesn't believe in evolution to basically force them to believe in it. Or ay least try to convince them to believe in it.

I'm not sure if you missed that point or not. Why are you breaking down the basic meaning of a discussion with me here?

I know there is going to be a discussion about it. However the discussions are obviously just people shoving their views down each others throats justifying said actions with the well my view is based of facts and proof argument. Or the my faith dictates its true argument. This can be just a result of the nature of disscusion of course, but the fact that the thread creator is participating in this way of discussion convinces me my suspicions are I'm fact true.

Couldn't he just ask why someone has said views leave it at that? Though once again this could just be due to the nature of disscusion of this kind.

Direct me to a thread that doesn't involve people trying to convince other people that their opinion is correct.

You would rather have a thread devoid of all discussion and debate?

If you seriously believe posting scientific evidence and proofs indicates that someone is "shoving their belief down another's throat" then you are going to have some trouble down the road.

 

[blueflash234]

theory of evolution is nothing but just a concept which is false because if animals did evolve then y are there previous forms of animals still available on this planet? all of the animals should have evolved plus if animals do evolve then y isn't there any evolution from thousands of years? y is human kind the best race on this whole planet after thousands of years? plus theory of evolution suggests that we originate from a single ancestor if we did then y did some turn into reptiles plants mammals birds? environmental conditions only affect some of our traits and they dont have such drastic effects which can change us in a whole new form

 

[KingForever7]

*Sigh*

Time for class children

 

[Bling Kai]

Direct me to a thread that doesn't involve people trying to convince other people that their opinion is correct.

You would rather have a thread devoid of all discussion and debate?

If you seriously believe posting scientific evidence and proofs indicates that someone is "shoving their belief down another's throat" then you are going to have some trouble down the road.

First two paragraphs are just you putting words into my mouth. I never said there shouldn't be threads deviod of disscusions. Seriously are you even reading my post?

Also try looking for the "Show yourself" thread where people post pics of themselves and boom there is that thread you wanted to be directed to since you asked. (not gonna link dont have the time).

And yes people that don't belive in evolution regardless of the reason being unwillingly shown so called evidence does count as forcing your view down another throat.

If you want to get specific to this particular situation then its forcing the facts down there throat. Facts are easy to see clearly they dont want to see them. Note I'm not saying people shouldn't do this in just pointing out its happening so lets bot get into another putting words into my mouth misunderstanding.

 

[Trollo Lucilfer]

theory of evolution is nothing but just a concept which is false because if animals did evolve then y are there previous forms of animals still available on this planet? all of the animals should have evolved plus if animals do evolve then y isn't there any evolution from thousands of years? y is human kind the best race on this whole planet after thousands of years? plus theory of evolution suggests that we originate from a single ancestor if we did then y did some turn into reptiles plants mammals birds? environmental conditions only affect some of our traits and they dont have such drastic effects which can change us in a whole new form

You know nothing of evolution, son.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

theory of evolution is nothing but just a concept which is false because if animals did evolve then y are there previous forms of animals still available on this planet? all of the animals should have evolved plus if animals do evolve then y isn't there any evolution from thousands of years? y is human kind the best race on this whole planet after thousands of years? plus theory of evolution suggests that we originate from a single ancestor if we did then y did some turn into reptiles plants mammals birds? environmental conditions only affect some of our traits and they dont have such drastic effects which can change us in a whole new form

You are the Jon Snow of evolution.