[Discussion] Do you accept the theory of evolution?

Do you accept evolution by natural selection?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 36.8%
  • No

    Votes: 18 23.7%
  • Yes, but not natural selection as the only mechanism

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Yes, but I think God started it and guided it

    Votes: 14 18.4%
  • Evolution is a conspiracy and a lie

    Votes: 7 9.2%
  • I don't know/don't care

    Votes: 5 6.6%

  • Total voters
    76

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I must admit that I am kinda ashamed of you guys...

only 60% of you believe in something that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt... (and 1/3 of you who does believe in it only does so because you think a god made it happen)

there are more scientific evidence for the theory of evolution than there are for all the other theories combined (I'm not even joking...) do you guys not believe in magnetism? that the Earth is round? that the Earth revolves around The sun? The theory of Gravity?
 

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Not enough evidence to convince me as to how it actually works or as if it works.

If there's enough evidence to fill a Biology, Ecology, Immunology, Embryology, Endocrinology, Neurology, and a Psychology (etc.) textbook, there's enough evidence for you. You just have to spend time researching it (or learning it through classes). Trust me, there's plenty out there. Numerous scientific journals are littered with data on Evolution.
 

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I must admit that I am kinda ashamed of you guys...

that the Earth is round? that the Earth revolves around The sun?

Actually, the Earth is not exactly round.

And strictly speaking, the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun.
 
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I don't believe in evolution
I do believe in micro-evolution
I believe in hybrid cross breed animals

We were made threw the same process that's why our DNA,RNA,Genetics are very similar of course but some studies have shown that Mitochondria in our (So called) Mammal Ancestors doesn't match, Some scientist are claiming it changed do to mutation. They've found a fossil of the ancestor of all mammals which they claimed came after the dinosaur but got debunked when fossils of a echidna was found in the same era of the dinosaur.
 

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I don't believe in evolution
I do believe in micro-evolution

I believe in hybrid cross breed animals

We were made threw the same process that's why our DNA,RNA,Genetics are very similar of course but some studies have shown that Mitochondria in our (So called) Mammal Ancestors doesn't match, Some scientist are claiming it changed do to mutation. They've found a fossil of the ancestor of all mammals which they claimed came after the dinosaur but got debunked when fossils of a echidna was found in the same era of the dinosaur.

You believe in micro-evolution but not evolution, which means you don't believe in macro-evolution. So then tell me what macro-evolution is. The most common reason for the bold statement is a misunderstanding of evolution.

Some clever explanations to help you with your thought processes:

The creationist view is that the colors red and yellow are very different. That yellow can undergo microevolution and become Goldenrod yellow or Neon yellow, but this is still yellow. Yellow will never become red or blue or purple.

Someone who fully understands evolution, however, realizes that it is possible for the original color to be orange. And that over time, some of these orange creatures became yellow while others became red. And that this process of changing from orange to yellow is the exact same process of changing from orange to light orange to pale orange to Goldenrod yellow, and then to yellow.

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There is no difference between the two concepts because they both work on the same basic mechanism. It would be like saying "I can count to a thousand but I can't count to a billion so the number 1,000,000,000 does not exist". The mechanism of counting up by 1 does not change, only the scale does.
 

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I must admit that I am kinda ashamed of you guys...

only 60% of you believe in something that have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt... (and 1/3 of you who does believe in it only does so because you think a god made it happen)

there are more scientific evidence for the theory of evolution than there are for all the other theories combined (I'm not even joking...) do you guys not believe in magnetism? that the Earth is round? that the Earth revolves around The sun? The theory of Gravity?

Well I'm one of those who voted for a higher power creating evolution.

The fact is we don't know and never will know how everything started. What created the singularity that started the Big Bang? If we find that out, what created that?

There's literally no way to know, so why hate against people who believe some entity acted as a catalyst?
 

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No.

Though i suppose it's possible.
 

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I don't believe that humans are descendants of apes, that's for sure.
This.

I mean, adaptation yes. Definitely. But that doesn't mean someone would transition into a new race over who-knows-how-long.
The idea of single celled organisms evolving unto countless types of creatures each with many variations, species & races that all balance together to form a planet we can survive on (which by itself is extremely unlikely to this scale) just seems too far fetched.

If I was to believe something that grand and large-scale when it originates from observations, theories and facts then I am going to need a LOT of irrefutable facts and proof. But humanities understanding of the universe and our construct of scientific discovery falls down to 3 key flaws:
1) We will NEVER know or understand it all. We haven't even scratched the surface on our own planet of everything there is to learn & understand. And it's one of millions if not billions. How would we ever get close to such a massive scale regardless of time or numbers? Advanced, yes--but always drastically incomplete.
2) We will never be 100% right with what we have. Let's face it--everyone makes mistakes. We have our entire lives, we will continue to do so for the rest of our lives and at least some small percentage of an individual's total understanding would be flawed. What has the human construct of scientific knowledge gone through? Human hands and human minds. Millions of them. It will always be flawed tosome degree and filled with 1+ "facts" that a person/people will swear to be truith and later on in human history turns out to be wrong. How many times have we done that?
3) It's unstable and in constant change. Even if it's massive and filled with fascinating discoveries and creations it's still not completely solid ground to stand on, regardless of size. I know the whole point is for it to change but it's still a negative characteristic to me--putting faith & dependence on something that will never be 100% firm & concrete.

The human understanding of science is incomplete, imperfect and unstable because it was created by an incomplete, imperfect & unstable race. Those characteristics that we have will never disappear in our race or our science. So I will always take anything we think we know for absolute fact as something that could be either missing part of the picture, different now than what we thought then or just simply wrong. That includes the THEORY of evolution. Do we have all of the information that would support it? No. Do we have 100% certainty that it's true? No. Will our views on the matter change within the next thousand years? I doubt it wouldn't.

If by some miracle we had all of the knowledge in the universe as 100% fact & truth then yes, I'd listen to a scientific explanation as to how the universe came to be or how we ended up the way we are. But alas, that will never happen.
 
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Again the "I don't believe we descended from apes." Line of thought. We didn't we share a common ancestor meaning we and apes descended from something similar this is shown by our DNA. It is extremely similar to species of apes and chimps. Comparably our DNA is 98.8 percent the same to that of a Bonobo ape or a Chimpanzee.



Everyone with points against are using opinions and not citing anything but that's none of my business.

This whole thread is like.

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Looking at the poll results there probably some people on here that believe the Earth is 6000 years old like the bible says. :coffee:
 

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This.

I mean, adaptation yes. Definitely. But that doesn't mean someone would transition into a new race over who-knows-how-long.
The idea of single celled organisms evolving unto countless types of creatures each with many variations, species & races that all balance together to form a planet we can survive on (which by itself is extremely unlikely to this scale) just seems too far fetched.

Well why not?
 

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I mean, adaptation yes. Definitely. But that doesn't mean someone would transition into a new race over who-knows-how-long. The idea of single celled organisms evolving unto countless types of creatures each with many variations, species & races that all balance together to form a planet we can survive on (which by itself is extremely unlikely to this scale) just seems too far fetched.

When you have several billion years for the DNA of protocells to differentiate in order to best thrive in the environment they reside, then it is more likely that the entire legacy of the Earth has been under constant change of gene frequency than the idea that all the species of Earth has been under a constant stagnancy this entire time.

You agree with Adaptation, but not Speciation. Why? Adaptation is the final result of Speciation. Entire populations will incrementally adapt to their environment as the fit survive to reproduce, their offspring sharing in their traits, while the unfit die and do not reproduce as often. As entire populations adapt over several generations of offspring, they incrementally drift from any point you call the "original set", as this new generation is slightly better suited to their environment to the last. Eventually, when you allow for more generations to pass, you will see significant change in the population. Lets remember that one individual does not adapt, but entire populations together.
If I was to believe something that grand and large-scale when it originates from observations, theories and facts then I am going to need a LOT of irrefutable facts and proof.

Good thing we have Biology, Ecology, Physiology, Endocrinology, and Genetics (etc.) textbooks which can easily explain to you the basics of Evolution and numerous scientific journals which can explain to you the advanced mechanics. Trust me, you have your LOT of facts and proof here. But let's be clear, none of this information can be irrefutable. To be irrefutable is to never be able to be corrected by more advanced information to either support or debunk it, and that's not the Creed of Science. A scientific theory is either right 100% on time, 24 days a week, 365 days a year, or it's wrong. So far, it's been correct. And we don't see this scientific theory being wrong any time soon. So it's best you learn this information so you can come out of the dark ages.

But humanities understanding of the universe and our construct of scientific discovery falls down to 3 key flaws:

Why do we have to talk about the Universe? That's Astronomy and Cosmology. This is Evolution, aka "any living thing on Planet Earth". Let's bring our discussion down there.

1) We will NEVER know or understand it all. We haven't even scratched the surface on our own planet of everything there is to learn & understand. And it's one of millions if not billions. How would we ever get close to such a massive scale regardless of time or numbers? Advanced, yes--but always drastically incomplete.

How does this stop you from acknowledging Evolution as a fact and theory? We discover new species nearly every month, and every time, we have analyzed their DNA to find they fit in with the rest of our organisms. (Also, spare me the philosophy speak, please.)
2) We will never be 100% right with what we have. Let's face it--everyone makes mistakes. We have our entire lives, we will continue to do so for the rest of our lives and at least some small percentage of an individual's total understanding would be flawed. What has the human construct of scientific knowledge gone through? Human hands and human minds. Millions of them. It will always be flawed tosome degree and filled with 1+ "facts" that a person/people will swear to be truith and later on in human history turns out to be wrong. How many times have we done that?

Science will NEVER be 100% right, that's not what Science is about. Science is about the constant uploading of data to support hypotheses and scientific theories, with new data either strengthening the theory evermore or completely destroying the theory and leveling it down to hypothesis again. We had a theory called "Spontaneous Generation", which was the idea that organic or inorganic material can spontaneously generate complete, mature forms of organisms. Back then, it was thought that rain summons earth worms from the sky, leaving food out summons maggots, killing a cow and leaving it in the sun summons bees. Ridiculous right? Then a brilliant scientist called Louis Pasteur performed experiments, eventually figuring out that there were microprocesses involved in the upbringing of these new organisms and that they do not explicitly and fundamentally create them: rather, these processes draw already-existing organisms to that process before we witness them. So now Spontaneous Generation was turned from a theory to a hypothesis, and that's where it has stayed since.

So if you have been paying attention, we create new data from our observations, and we use that data to bolster existing theories or hypotheses, or in rare cases, destroy them. In the 150 years of Evolution, it has never been demoted from a theory to a hypothesis. And now that we have advanced modern technology and a blooming scientific utopia, I really don't think Evolution will be demoted to a hypothesis any time soon, or never.

3) It's unstable and in constant change. Even if it's massive and filled with fascinating discoveries and creations it's still not completely solid ground to stand on, regardless of size. I know the whole point is for it to change but it's still a negative characteristic to me--putting faith & dependence on something that will never be 100% firm & concrete.

I agree with you on it never being 100% firm and concrete. It's more like 99.9999999% (seven deviations) firm and concrete. I don't think I need to remind you the utter silliness of being skeptical in the theory of Gravity, Plate Tectonics, Germ Theory, Sexual Reproduction (etc.) being fact on the grounds that it's not 100% concrete. The fact is, if an idea has numerous data to support it, I'd stake my claim on learning about it and acknowledging it as a legitimate Scientific Theory. Gravity, Plate Tectonics, Germ Theory, Sexual Reproduction are all Scientific Theories, but I guess since they're not 100% concrete, we shouldn't acknowledge them as facts and theories. Welp.

The human understanding of science is incomplete, imperfect and unstable because it was created by an incomplete, imperfect & unstable race. Those characteristics that we have will never disappear in our race or our science. So I will always take anything we think we know for absolute fact as something that could be either missing part of the picture, different now than what we thought then or just simply wrong. That includes the THEORY of evolution. Do we have all of the information that would support it? No. Do we have 100% certainty that it's true? No. Will our views on the matter change within the next thousand years? I doubt it wouldn't.

"Let's cap the word theory to remind everyone that it's a theory, in the hopes that everyone will mistake the word theory for a Layman Theory and not a Scientific Theory!" Let me make something clear to you. Like I said above, Gravity, Plate Tectonics, Sexual Reproduction and Germ Theory are all THEORIES. I capped the word theory there for you. The THEORY of Gravity. Does this not sound silly to you, if you're capping the word theory next to Evolution in order to try and undermine its success?

If by some miracle we had all of the knowledge in the universe as 100% fact & truth then yes, I'd listen to a scientific explanation as to how the universe came to be or how we ended up the way we are. But alas, that will never happen.

That's the universe, so you should try and learn from a physicist or an astronomer. This is the Earth's evolution of life, so you should try learning from ME, a Biologist.
 

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Science will NEVER be 100% right, that's not what Science is about. Science is about the constant uploading of data to support hypotheses and scientific theories, with new data either strengthening the theory evermore or completely destroying the theory and leveling it down to hypothesis again.

This. This so much. :score:
 

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This thread in a nutshell- People unable to believe or comprehend something that takes place over thousands and thousands of years.

Do people also not believe in continental drift?
 

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Besides religion, I don't think many people will object to it.

I entertain the idea a lot, but for religious purposes I don't believe in it (not trying to bring religion in).

I understand evolution and natural selection but I don't know how it works as a mechanism, tbh.

It's simple, genes always mutate, those mutation CAN give a better chance of survival than the original gene had, letting the mutated life survive more easily than the original life, the mutated/evolved life will expand more easily than the original if the genes mutated in a way that makes them more efficient and adapted to the world.
 
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Looking at the poll results there probably some people on here that believe the Earth is 6000 years old like the bible says. :coffee:

Kinda sad, really. I didn't expect the 'yes' vote to drop below 40 percent, especially when I specifically dropped the religious card, to expose those who propagandize about evolution being incompatible with faith. Most creationists just sound like 'stupid and proud' to me lol.
Anyways I guess there may have been alts used to influence the polls, I wouldn't put it beneath them.
 
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