dbz isn't that fast?

[Guardian of Timeline]

post a scan of this from the canon manga and ill believe you

neither created the universe. thus there must be a being above even them. just being "a" god is not the same as being god, just flat out god. the only beings in fiction who are flat out god are one above all, kami tenchi and biblical christian god. they dont need any other names. they are just infinitely powerful.

IT is teleportation. how can it be fast if its teleporting? teleportation doesnt involve movement of the body. and goku hasnt used it in battle to much good effect.


if it isnt in the manga its a filler. look up the definition of filler. your on a naruto site and you dont know what filler is? chikara arc? FILLER. kishi didnt write it!
so you know full well that dbz is not as storng as you believe and so resort to non canon filler to support your claims? thats utter desperation. any self respecting fan wouldnt use filler when the original author even ignores gt several times, like whne he made dragonball online. right now, gt is almost the equivalent of fanfiction. or the numerous non canon star wars novels.

hirudegarn is tangible 90% of the time. he cant control his mist form or he would have stayed in that state the entire time. its purley reflexive since at the end of the day hirudegarn is a raging mindless beast who cant fight properly. any intelligent fighter knows that and would exploit it. true intangibility is being non coporeal. in other words having no physical form AT ALL.

exactly. hes so weak that hes forced to fight someone who should be thousands of times below his level. why would a god be spending all his time fistfighting mortals? hes a god. just mindrape them for the hell of it. or ignore them entirely. the fact he didnt means bils isnt a god. true gods dont concern themselves with mere aliens.

yet you do. and call them stupid several times. make up your mind. either they are trustworthy or they arent. and rather than relying on other fans, use your own proof and own conclusions


go and watch the movie. hirudegarn was touchable. actually he was ripped in half by a giant golden dragon punch. how could you have missed this? as i said a true intangible being wouldnt feel the need to be constantly in their physical state. obito is an eample of someone whos intanigble nearly all the time so as ti not get caught off guard. hirudegarn was clumsy stupid and primitive. he tripped on a building which enabled gotenks to pump him full of blasts. the fact thats the best theyve got in terms of untouchable fighters is just sad. also by your own logic, that means bils cant hit hirudegarn.

Piccolo only stated in the Anime that Raditz is faster than FTL. So what if Future GT Goku and Future Superman didn't create a Universe? Bills is a God and he didn't create a Universe, he juts maintains the balance of the entire Universe. King Kai stated that IT is faster than FTL.. So what if it's a filler? You must watch other Anime that display power unbelievable but it's not in the Manga. I'm just stating the truth, Gogeta is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster by logic, PL, and PS. Hirudegarn is the strongest Intangible user, he turns into a illusion when he uses his Mist. Thats true Intangibility. Bills was actually using chopsticks to beat most of the Z-Fighters. I call the Death Battle people stupid because they don't understand DBZ true power but they are right on one point that Goku is many times FTL. The Dragon Fist can actually destroy any Intangible user. So Obito's Intangibilty is better than Hirudegarns? lol don't make me laugh with such stupidity. Hirudegarn's Intangibility turns him into a illusion and he's by far the strongest intangible user.

That's why you couldn't prove anything? This "pathetic debate" has been over the second you stopped providing facts. (Post # 1). I can't accept what can't happen, Sonic beats Guldo and I've proven why, yet you've given me no facts whatsoever outside of time stop which I have countered. If you're so sure of Guldo defeating Sonic why can't you back it up? Because it's not true. Just stop, seriously. All you're doing is bumping this thread only to repeat the same thing. If you wanted to stop this you could have stayed off of the thread, but you came back. Back up your statements instead of repeating what you think the outcome is.

It's just so obvious that Guldo would beat Sonic. It would be a piece of cake for him.
I stated before why Guldo would beat Sonic and you always disagree with my statements. There is no point explaining anything to a fanboy now, they won't listen.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Piccolo only stated in the Anime that Raditz is faster than FTL. So what if Future GT Goku and Future Superman didn't create a Universe? Bills is a God and he didn't create a Universe, he juts maintains the balance of the entire Universe. King Kai stated that IT is faster than FTL.. So what if it's a filler? You must watch other Anime that display power unbelievable but it's not in the Manga. I'm just stating the truth, Gogeta is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster by logic, PL, and PS. Hirudegarn is the strongest Intangible user, he turns into a illusion when he uses his Mist. Thats true Intangibility. Bills was actually using chopsticks to beat most of the Z-Fighters. I call the Death Battle people stupid because they don't understand DBZ true power but they are right on one point that Goku is many times FTL. The Dragon Fist can actually destroy any Intangible user. So Obito's Intangibilty is better than Hirudegarns? lol don't make me laugh with such stupidity. Hirudegarn's Intangibility turns him into a illusion and he's by far the strongest intangible user.






It's just so obvious that Guldo would beat Sonic. It would be a piece of cake for him.
I stated before why Guldo would beat Sonic and you always disagree with my statements. There is no point explaining anything to a fanboy now, they won't listen.

How is it obvious? How would it be a piece of cake? You have yet to prove any of these false statements, because you can't. I've countered your one attempt at backing this up, which was naturally Guldo's time stop. Easily countered, you just can't accept that Sonic would beat Guldo so you say it's obvious and that you don't need to explain. That's just a damn excuse for you to save face after you lost a debate. You keep saying you'll stop this discussion yet you keep coming back and posting the same shit.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

How is it obvious? How would it be a piece of cake? You have yet to prove any of these false statements, because you can't. I've countered your one attempt at backing this up, which was naturally Guldo's time stop. Easily countered, you just can't accept that Sonic would beat Guldo so you say it's obvious and that you don't need to explain. That's just a damn excuse for you to save face after you lost a debate. You keep saying you'll stop this discussion yet you keep coming back and posting the same shit.

Stop posting then. You already lost this debate when Sonic was matched up against a superior character. It's so obvious and i wish Death Battle would do this match up because they would easily say that Guldo would win. Stop denying the truth and just accept the truth.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Stop posting then. You already lost this debate when Sonic was matched up against a superior character. It's so obvious and i wish Death Battle would do this match up because they would easily say that Guldo would win. Stop denying the truth and just accept the truth.

How did I lose? I disproved every point you brought up (one point), and moreover you're repeating Guldo wins with no back to your statements. I don't mind posting this over and over until you get Sonic beats Guldo with proof backing it up hammered into your skull, because you won't understand at the first post that you have no proof for your statements. If you want this debate to stop don't keep coming onto the thread, but as long as you keep being a broken record I'm going to keep telling you the truth until you understand why you lost this debate at your first post.

PS: Must be embarrassing losing the same debate 3 times. One was the thread, second was PMs, now you lost it on this thread too. You're on quite a losing streak. XD

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

How did I lose? I disproved every point you brought up (one point), and moreover you're repeating Guldo wins with no back to your statements. I don't mind posting this over and over until you get Sonic beats Guldo with proof backing it up hammered into your skull, because you won't understand at the first post that you have no proof for your statements. If you want this debate to stop don't keep coming onto the thread, but as long as you keep being a broken record I'm going to keep telling you the truth until you understand why you lost this debate at your first post.

PS: Must be embarrassing losing the same debate 3 times. One was the thread, second was PMs, now you lost it on this thread too. You're on quite a losing streak. XD

Stop being in denial because we all know that you certainly lost this debate. If you want to keep on embarrassing yourself, carry on posting on this thread. I stated why Guldo would beat Sonic at the start and you failed by not being able to counter my posts. Also, this debate should of only been between Sonic and Guldo, not DBZ verse vs Sonic verse because your trolling if you think Sonic stands a chance against the strongest Z characters. All you doing now is stating points because you don't understand that you lost this debate from day one. What did the members above you say in the Sonic vs Guldo thread? They said that Guldo whoops Sonics ass. So, every post that you've posted now is pointless. What a way to waste time. It seems you fell in the same trap as the others. Youth and Full power = Loser

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Stop being in denial because we all know that you certainly lost this debate. If you want to keep on embarrassing yourself, carry on posting on this thread. I stated why Guldo would beat Sonic at the start and you failed by not being able to counter my posts. Also, this debate should of only been between Sonic and Guldo, not DBZ verse vs Sonic verse because your trolling if you think Sonic stands a chance against the strongest Z characters. All you doing now is stating points because you don't understand that you lost this debate from day one. What did the members above you say in the Sonic vs Guldo thread? They said that Guldo whoops Sonics ass. So, every post that you've posted now is pointless. What a way to waste time. It seems you fell in the same trap as the others. Youth and Full power = Loser

How am I in denial? How did I fail to counter? You're failing to answer all of my questions and you're pulling shit out of your ass. The uninformed members who said Guldo wins never posted after I countered the time stop point, and noone ever tried to argue against my counters. Secondly, I didn't bring DBZ Verse into this, you did, but I'm not going to start a Sonicverse > DBZ verse argument because you keep losing debates as it is. You've lost 3 times. You don't have any facts or counters, you're just trying to offend me by wasting my time at this point. Just quit already, you're literally going to keep posting until a mental institution finds out about your retardation and picks you up. If you're so confident, why couldn't you prove your statements? Because it's impossible. Sonic proven to be > Guldo, and this makes 3 times you've lost this specific debate and 4-5 Sonic vs DBZ character debates. It's your own fault for targeting me. Lol

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

iccolo only stated in the Anime that Raditz is faster than FTL.

no. not even in the anime. for real fans, like myself, i familiarised myself with only the real original japanese dub. and i promise you, piccolo never fukin said that. and if he did, he was exagerrating. i mean how can a green alien know anything about physics pre kami fusion?

So what if Future GT Goku and Future Superman didn't create a Universe?

its proof they cant be all powerful. if they cant just create anything out of their ass they arent god. its quite simple. universe or multiverse creating is the top of the top tiers. only the most powerful beings in fiction can do it.

Bills is a God and he didn't create a Universe, he juts maintains the balance of the entire Universe. K

exactly. hes limiting himself. he cant be THE god if all he does is maintain the planets of some other god's work. and like i said before, gods wouldnt resort to punching one another. they are above that sort of banal childish violence. they fight with their minds or failing that, energy itself.

Hirudegarn is the strongest Intangible user

no. hes just one intangible user out of the many THOUSANDS that also exist. hes not even that good because he cant control his mist form. its purely reflexive. and when hes not using it hes crashing into buildings like a dumb ox and getting pumped full of blasts

. The Dragon Fist can actually destroy any Intangible user.

haki enables you to touch a logia. thats an example of intangible beings being hit while they are intangible.
goku's entire strategy revolved around waiting for hirudegarn to solidify to attack, adn THEN hitting him. the same thing was done by minato against obito. your on a naruto site. yet you cant understand that goku hit a solid being? there is absolutely no proof int hat movie or ANYWHERE that ryu ken can cancel intangible beings.

So Obito's Intangibilty is better than Hirudegarns? lol don't make me laugh with such stupidity. Hirudegarn's Intangibility turns him into a illusion and he's by far the strongest intangible user

yes it is. not being there at all > turning into a gaseous mist. hellmaster fibrizo surpasses caesar clown for the same reason. gas < non coporeal. non coporeality means literally not being there. that the physical form is just an illusion. but non coporeals can usually still attack in the physical world, with their mind or soul manipulation power. hirudegarn is simply outclassed. he can only attack one way, and thats punching people. he can only do this as a solid being. he has too many limitations to be called "strongest" but once again you will ignore everything i said and keep braying about how dbz is teh best and nothing can beat it.

 

[masterdylan1997]

XD its really funny how you think sonic would lose against Guldo. Sonic>Guldo theres no way around that.

 

[chopstickchakra]

And the ruling is....................................................

Youth wins the debate.

 

[SSJ3Gotenks]

Seriously who cares about Sonic it is the lamest kids character invented. Lame games, moronic tv series with Jaleel White(Urkel), and a poor substitute Sega created as their Mario. Seriously Sonic has got to be the worst videogame character in history right up there with Sega's other loser Alex Kidd...

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Seriously who cares about Sonic it is the lamest kids character invented. Lame games, moronic tv series with Jaleel White(Urkel), and a poor substitute Sega created as their Mario. Seriously Sonic has got to be the worst videogame character in history right up there with Sega's other loser Alex Kidd...

Sonic did not mooch off of Mario for fame so go cry somewhere else. How is that even relevant to the discussion? To answer you, I care about Sonic, and you thinking it's "lame" is your own (idiotic) opinion. Probably a biased fool. Sonic is the best video game character of all time as far as I'm concerned.

No pun intended.

But I guess you're desperate for attention, so be happy I gave you some even though you and your post are irrelevant to the OT as well as the prior discussion.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

How am I in denial? How did I fail to counter? You're failing to answer all of my questions and you're pulling shit out of your ass. The uninformed members who said Guldo wins never posted after I countered the time stop point, and noone ever tried to argue against my counters. Secondly, I didn't bring DBZ Verse into this, you did, but I'm not going to start a Sonicverse > DBZ verse argument because you keep losing debates as it is. You've lost 3 times. You don't have any facts or counters, you're just trying to offend me by wasting my time at this point. Just quit already, you're literally going to keep posting until a mental institution finds out about your retardation and picks you up. If you're so confident, why couldn't you prove your statements? Because it's impossible. Sonic proven to be > Guldo, and this makes 3 times you've lost this specific debate and 4-5 Sonic vs DBZ character debates. It's your own fault for targeting me. Lol

No, you tried to challenge me, i didn't target you. Yes you did bring the DBZ verse into this. When we were having a debate abut Sonic and Guldo you mentioned the DBZ verse. You better not start a Sonic verse and DBZ debate because you really are going to make a complete and utter fool of yourself. You already have and you don't need to post more that one statement on this pathetic debate because Guldo stomps Sonic with minimal difficulty. You are being in denial because you can't admit that you've lose and you really think Sonic and Guldo is debatable? Please......what kind of a clueless fanboy are you? Just give up, we all know that i've won this debate at the very start and i did prove my statements at the start. You've lose again. Guldo 1 Sonic 0 Guardian 1 Youth 0 I hope i don't extend my record to 2-0 It's all to easy. It's a piece of cake that Guldo stomps Sonic as i'm owning you in a debate now. Carry on crumbling lol

no. not even in the anime. for real fans, like myself, i familiarised myself with only the real original japanese dub. and i promise you, piccolo never fukin said that. and if he did, he was exagerrating. i mean how can a green alien know anything about physics pre kami fusion?
its proof they cant be all powerful. if they cant just create anything out of their ass they arent god. its quite simple. universe or multiverse creating is the top of the top tiers. only the most powerful beings in fiction can do it.

exactly. hes limiting himself. he cant be THE god if all he does is maintain the planets of some other god's work. and like i said before, gods wouldnt resort to punching one another. they are above that sort of banal childish violence. they fight with their minds or failing that, energy itself.

no. hes just one intangible user out of the many THOUSANDS that also exist. hes not even that good because he cant control his mist form. its purely reflexive. and when hes not using it hes crashing into buildings like a dumb ox and getting pumped full of blasts

haki enables you to touch a logia. thats an example of intangible beings being hit while they are intangible.
goku's entire strategy revolved around waiting for hirudegarn to solidify to attack, adn THEN hitting him. the same thing was done by minato against obito. your on a naruto site. yet you cant understand that goku hit a solid being? there is absolutely no proof int hat movie or ANYWHERE that ryu ken can cancel intangible beings.

yes it is. not being there at all > turning into a gaseous mist. hellmaster fibrizo surpasses caesar clown for the same reason. gas < non coporeal. non coporeality means literally not being there. that the physical form is just an illusion. but non coporeals can usually still attack in the physical world, with their mind or soul manipulation power. hirudegarn is simply outclassed. he can only attack one way, and thats punching people. he can only do this as a solid being. he has too many limitations to be called "strongest" but once again you will ignore everything i said and keep braying about how dbz is teh best and nothing can beat it.

You people are the worst DBZ fans ever. You always state negative things about the legendary franchise and you don't understand there true power AND you also don't understand what DBZ did to the Anime world. You, are not even a true Anime fan and a true DBZ fan unlike me. Piccolo is the cleverest DBZ character so he would know that Raditz is faster than FTL and not all the Funimation Dub is wrong. You don't even know how powerful GT Future Goku is. No, Bills mantains the galaxies within the universe and he maintains all of it. False. Hirudegarn is the strongest Intangible character, it's like fighting a goddamn illusion. The Dragon Fist can cancel Intangible beings as Goku did so against Hiru, watch the movie if you haven't seen it. Hirudegarn is untouchable, he was way to fast for Mystic Gohan and he couldn't even track Hiru's movements. He is the strongest Intangible user, as he can turn himself into a ILLUSION. You have no clue whatsoever.

XD its really funny how you think sonic would lose against Guldo. Sonic>Guldo theres no way around that.

And it's funny how clueless and idiotic you are. You know nothing about Guldo, he's the perfect opponent for Sonic and he stomps him.

And the ruling is....................................................

Youth wins the debate.

False. I won this debate from the very start.

Sonic did not mooch off of Mario for fame so go cry somewhere else. How is that even relevant to the discussion? To answer you, I care about Sonic, and you thinking it's "lame" is your own (idiotic) opinion. Probably a biased fool. Sonic is the best video game character of all time as far as I'm concerned.

No pun intended.

But I guess you're desperate for attention, so be happy I gave you some even though you and your post are irrelevant to the OT as well as the prior discussion.

Yes, your true colours have come out. Sonic is the best video game character? lol

A Sonic fanboy at it's finest

 

[chopstickchakra]

False. I won this debate from the very start.

Opinions can't be false, just inaccurate or accurate. False and true are values corresponding to a truth.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

Opinions can't be false, just inaccurate or accurate. False and true are values corresponding to a truth.

Well, my opinions are right and chopstickchakra and youth opinions are wrong.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Bills was pretty fast, he was considered being FTL and above. And that's pretty fast lol...

Speed is differently emphasised in different anime/manga so they true way to calc would be via pixel scaling .....Raditz was over Mach 35/50

And then there are omnipresent being who have no limit to their speed

Lord of nightmares, Kami tenchi and Alucard Omnipresent with Schrödinger's powers at his EoS version

 

[Ghan]

Well, my opinions are right and chopstickchakra and youth opinions are wrong.

Why are you still allowed to post? Do the mods even read this board anymore?

 

[P3ĮÑ]

The fapline of this thread needs to be banned

 

[chopstickchakra]

Well, my opinions are right and chopstickchakra and youth opinions are wrong.

right and wrong are synonyms to true and false not accurate and inaccurate. Go read a book.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

No, you tried to challenge me, i didn't target you. Yes you did bring the DBZ verse into this. When we were having a debate abut Sonic and Guldo you mentioned the DBZ verse. You better not start a Sonic verse and DBZ debate because you really are going to make a complete and utter fool of yourself. You already have and you don't need to post more that one statement on this pathetic debate because Guldo stomps Sonic with minimal difficulty. You are being in denial because you can't admit that you've lose and you really think Sonic and Guldo is debatable? Please......what kind of a clueless fanboy are you? Just give up, we all know that i've won this debate at the very start and i did prove my statements at the start. You've lose again. Guldo 1 Sonic 0 Guardian 1 Youth 0 I hope i don't extend my record to 2-0 It's all to easy. It's a piece of cake that Guldo stomps Sonic as i'm owning you in a debate now. Carry on crumbling lol

Yes, your true colours have come out. Sonic is the best video game character? lol

A Sonic fanboy at it's finest

Why are you trying to lie? Everyone knows when you made the Sonic vs Guldo thread you were trying to bait me, and it was so obvious it was almost sad. Unless you were trying to bait 7th Biggest OP Fan, who's on vacation, therefor you made it obvious. I didn't bring DBZ verse into our debate, it was you who said DBZ verse > Sonic verse, which is false as is Guldo > Sonic. I'm not starting a Sonic verse vs DBZ verse debate because you've already lost the same debate on one fight 3 times, not to mention the Shadow vs Vegeta debate you inevitably lost, and I'll exclude my Superman vs Goku thread because you lost that before you even got the chance to debate. You keep talking about how you won debates when you never post proof outside of Goku vs Superman which failed. I've destroyed your Guldo > Sonic argument, you just have no more proof to beat me with. Youth - 4 ; Guardian - 0. All of which could have been prevented if you stayed wanking to DBZ in your private time instead of spreading your ejaculation to this forum. As for my "true colors", I never hid them away. Lol

I've been a Sonic fan before I even joined this website, and even when I joined I've been one. I think Sonic is the best video game character, it's my opinion and you aren't going to change it. Also, again, I've never denied being a "Sonic fanboy". Lol

PS: Why did you admit to baiting me in the thread and say I challenged you on the thread?
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Why are you still allowed to post? Do the mods even read this board anymore?

Beats me, he already logged in on an alt during a ban. I guess they decided to let him slide. DBZ fanboying isn't against the rules so all there is to do is increase his losing streak until he understands. Lol They did delete his Sonic vs Guldo thread after I posted though.

 

[SSJ3Gotenks]

Sonic did not mooch off of Mario for fame so go cry somewhere else. How is that even relevant to the discussion? To answer you, I care about Sonic, and you thinking it's "lame" is your own (idiotic) opinion. Probably a biased fool. Sonic is the best video game character of all time as far as I'm concerned.

No pun intended.

But I guess you're desperate for attention, so be happy I gave you some even though you and your post are irrelevant to the OT as well as the prior discussion.

Lol What.. Sonic best videogame character of all time are you serious... You really are a delusional little kid then..

Link>Sonic
Mario>Sonic
Jak>Sonic
Samus> Sonic
Kirby>Sonic
Kratos>Sonic
Master Chief>Sonic
Donkey Kong>Sonic
Luigi>Sonic
Drake>Sonic
Marcus Fenix>Sonic
Damon Baird> Sonic
I could keep going but I will save you the embarrassment of your stupidity....