dbz isn't that fast?

[Itachi75]

dbz is low tier in terms of power scale.
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spiritual opponets and magic users can crush them. Light can right their names down and they will die, Lelouch can command them to die and they will die,
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not to menion the TTGL from the anime would easily solo nearly everything in anime even if they were all joined to attack it.
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if animes were to be rated from a scale of 1-10. 1 being weak and 10 being god-strong.
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dbz would only be a 3.
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at max they are planet busting.
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and don't go quoting shit saying, "they are universe busters herp derp even though nothing they have ever done ahs gotten even close to solar system busting, and not to mentiong, even Kid buu passed out after busting the tiny earth whihc is hundreds of thousands of times smaller than the largest sun.
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Dbz is pretty weak.
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Saint seiya, and some others leave dbz in the dust. they power difference between them is immense.
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also if you believe dbz characters by saying they can galaxy busters you must believe that

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^this guy is a universe buster, simply because dukey siad it was. -

 

[chopstickchakra]

DBZ just shows the speed in a different way. Mostly characters just comment on it. Plus when they speed up flying, they displace the air molecules around them, hence the extra clouds around their feet

Nice Baccano! avatar. I love that show.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

You don't know all about Sonic as I do. It's an argument because you started this. Sonic > Guldo for the millionth time, unless you bring some magical back up for your statements or Guldo somehow gets a powerup with his time stop. Just accept it. While I know everything about Sonic and DBZ and you only know about DBZ and a little bit of Sonic, I'm providing facts and you're repeating the same thing. What does Death Battle have to do with anything anyways? And why bring Superman into this? Like I said, once DBZ becomes > dimensions, S/T, and MFTL with ease then you can debate this. Until then, stop repeating the same thing with no basis for your statements, because all you're doing is trying to extend this debate until I get tired.

Won't work, but give it a shot anyways.

There is one character in DBZ that's power is in another dimension altogether. That alone destroys everything that you stated. Sonic has never fought anyone that's as good a Guldo, and this is only between Sonic and Guldo, not Sonic and the DBZ verse.

Guldo beats Sonic

Goku solos the Sonicverse in his base form anyway.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

There is one character in DBZ that's power is in another dimension altogether. That alone destroys everything that you stated. Sonic has never fought anyone that's as good a Guldo, and this is only between Sonic and Guldo, not Sonic and the DBZ verse.

Guldo beats Sonic

Goku solos the Sonicverse in his base form anyway.





Idiotic and clueless troll. That all i have to say to you.

You're just making wishful assumptions because your favorite series can be beat. You have no proof. Sonic has fought dimension and S/T busters as well as people who can stop and control time, he has beaten all of them.

Sonic, once again, defeats Guldo with ease.

DBZ verse is not > Sonicverse.

Making these baseless statements is why you lost this debate. GG.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

You're just making wishful assumptions because your favorite series can be beat. You have no proof. Sonic has fought dimension and S/T busters as well as people who can stop and control time, he has beaten all of them.

Sonic, once again, defeats Guldo with ease.

DBZ verse is not > Sonicverse.

Making these baseless statements is why you lost this debate. GG.

I'm just stating the truth. If you can't take the truth, get out of NB.

Guldo obliterates Sonic the Hedgehog. End of story.

Has Sonic fought Reality Warpers and Untouchable beings? NO

Base Goku solos the Sonicverse with his pinky. Sonic is not a God, so stop overrating him to the point of laughter.

You have lost this one sided debate.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

Really dude never heard of instant transmission lmao , that's faster than tha speed of light fool , the only reason you hear a boom is cuz of the engine ... Does the flash boom?

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

I'm just stating the truth. If you can't take the truth, get out of NB.

Guldo obliterates Sonic the Hedgehog. End of story.

Has Sonic fought Reality Warpers and Untouchable beings? NO

Base Goku solos the Sonicverse with his pinky. Sonic is not a God, so stop overrating him to the point of laughter.

You have lost this one sided debate.

What makes you think Sonic hasn't fought Reality Warpers and Untouchable beings? Proves you don't know jackshit about Sonic, because I've already explained that Sonic's fought all of these things and then some. Once again, you've lost this "one sided debate", for you have not only nothing to prove your incorrect Goku > Sonicverse statements, but you can't even back up a simple Sonic vs Guldo argument which you lost the second I posted actual facts. Sonic is > Guldo until you give proof that states otherwise, in which I've countered all of your proof. At this point you're extending an argument you lost 3 threads ago. Once again, GG.

 

[HarrisonX]

That's because DBZ is an old anime... And DBZ influenced more anime than you listed

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

What makes you think Sonic hasn't fought Reality Warpers and Untouchable beings? Proves you don't know jackshit about Sonic, because I've already explained that Sonic's fought all of these things and then some. Once again, you've lost this "one sided debate", for you have not only nothing to prove your incorrect Goku > Sonicverse statements, but you can't even back up a simple Sonic vs Guldo argument which you lost the second I posted actual facts. Sonic is > Guldo until you give proof that states otherwise, in which I've countered all of your proof. At this point you're extending an argument you lost 3 threads ago. Once again, GG.

Stop being a pathetic Sonic fanboy and give up. You lost this debate at the very start.

Guldo>Sonic

That is all you need to know, Sonic fanboy

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Stop being a pathetic Sonic fanboy and give up. You lost this debate at the very start.

Guldo>Sonic

That is all you need to know, Sonic fanboy

How did I lose the debate? I provided feats, facts, and counters for every single point you tried (One point because of time stop). You have no facts, you just post "Guldo > Sonic" when it's obviously the opposite, and facts have proved that Sonic > Guldo not only in this thread, but in our little PM convo. You lost it...You just lost every single debate. If you would stay away from Sonicverse you wouldn't have to lose so much. Yet you insist on provoking me into these arguments. (Hell, it works because I won't let it slide if I see it). But I'm not blaming you, you just don't know your information which is what Sonic Schoolhouse thread will be for. Like I said, either wait for the thread or go buy the games, comics, and watch the shows. If you're not going to study up you've lost the argument before you posted. The Guldo > Sonic argument is over, it's done, you already lost. You've provided no facts or feats (Not that Guldo has any). Just...just stop. You're calling me a fanboy while you take the definition to the extreme. I won't start flaming you about it much, but I will say I never deny that I'm a Sonic "fanboy". Lol

But at least I know my facts, so it's not fanboying.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

How did I lose the debate? I provided feats, facts, and counters for every single point you tried (One point because of time stop). You have no facts, you just post "Guldo > Sonic" when it's obviously the opposite, and facts have proved that Sonic > Guldo not only in this thread, but in our little PM convo. You lost it...You just lost every single debate. If you would stay away from Sonicverse you wouldn't have to lose so much. Yet you insist on provoking me into these arguments. (Hell, it works because I won't let it slide if I see it). But I'm not blaming you, you just don't know your information which is what Sonic Schoolhouse thread will be for. Like I said, either wait for the thread or go buy the games, comics, and watch the shows. If you're not going to study up you've lost the argument before you posted. The Guldo > Sonic argument is over, it's done, you already lost. You've provided no facts or feats (Not that Guldo has any). Just...just stop. You're calling me a fanboy while you take the definition to the extreme. I won't start flaming you about it much, but I will say I never deny that I'm a Sonic "fanboy". Lol

But at least I know my facts, so it's not fanboying.

Everything you have stated is invalid. This shouldn't even be a debate.

Guldo beats Sonic and his weak verse by just using his Time Freezing powers. You lose every time, just like the others. Now stop posting before i own you even more.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Everything you have stated is invalid. This shouldn't even be a debate.

Guldo beats Sonic and his weak verse by just using his Time Freezing powers. You lose every time, just like the others. Now stop posting before i own you even more.

How have I stated anything invalid? I've countered all of your time freezing statements and you're not posting any facts. You're just saying the same thing thinking you've beaten me, but you've lost. You've obviously lost a debate because you have no facts to back you up and you can't accept that, so you struggle in an argument you've already lost because you can't let your precious pride in DBZ go.

I'm fine with that, but don't go saying X beats Y without information on both, and especially don't bring Sonicverse into this, because it was inevitable I'd come and give some facts to you.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

How have I stated anything invalid? I've countered all of your time freezing statements and you're not posting any facts. You're just saying the same thing thinking you've beaten me, but you've lost. You've obviously lost a debate because you have no facts to back you up and you can't accept that, so you struggle in an argument you've already lost because you can't let your precious pride in DBZ go.

I'm fine with that, but don't go saying X beats Y without information on both, and especially don't bring Sonicverse into this, because it was inevitable I'd come and give some facts to you.

There is no point wasting time in this pathetic debate. There is no point posting any facts because we all know who the clear winner is, and that's DBZ by a landslide. Guldo beats Sonic, so deal with it and move on.
Everyone has there own opinions so lets not continue this pathetic debate because a Mod will close or delete this thread sooner or later.

Goku is Hypersonic+ which is faster than light and sound

False. Goku is FTL+ He is many times faster than the speed of light.

 

[BazzBee]

Dbz is faster then Naruto, Bleach and One piece and various anime below... but indeed it isn't the Fastest.
But still you are judging by the way it is shown since you forgot that DBZ was animated in 90s and obviously it won't be shown as the anime now a days are being animated so they show speed better but they are not as fast as DBz, Goku is Hypersonic+ which is faster than light and sound.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

There is no point wasting time in this pathetic debate. There is no point posting any facts because we all know who the clear winner is, and that's DBZ by a landslide. Guldo beats Sonic, so deal with it and move on.
Everyone has there own opinions so lets not continue this pathetic debate because a Mod will close or delete this thread sooner or later.




False. Goku is FTL+ He is many times faster than the speed of light.

Stop trying to pull that crap. In reality you don't have any facts to prove your theory. Sonic with proof backing him up defeats Guldo, you just won't be able to accept it. There's really no opinion about it. You won't accept it even though you were acting like it's absolute that DBZ beats SV. Really? Now you want to stop because you know I won't shut the hell up once I know I'm right. If you want this debate to end don't keep posting on this thread.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

You do know that Goku can travel faster than speed of light with instant transmission right??

at no point in the manga is it shown that IT is FTL

However, during the fight against Raditz, when he managed to avoid makenkosappou, Piccolo argued to dodge that he was faster than light.

no he didnt. not once did this ever occur anywhere in the manga meaning you LITERALLY just made that up out of your ass

Goku said the Instant Transmission let him travel at light speed.

its teleportation. not speed. a character who can teleport cant move or fight at that speed

Heres a page that tells a little about Goku's speed with IT

he cannot move or fight with IT. its just a brief use of teleportation that cant be used repeatedly

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

False. Goku is FTL+ He is many times faster than the speed of light.

false. no evidence he can move or fight at that speed

Guldo beats Sonic and his weak verse by just using his Time Freezing powers.

guldo couldnt beat krillin and gohan

Has Sonic fought Reality Warpers and Untouchable beings?

yes actually. and goku hasnt fought anyone whos untouchable. hirudegarn can only turn to mist for a split second. the rest of the time hes tangible. and only reality warper is janemba whos only dimension level/
again you show you know nothing about anything besides dbz.

Watch from 3:20 onward

filler is non canon

DBZ characters speed are just as inconceivable like there power

trust me plenty concieve it

Not to mention, Vegito punched the air so fast that he was able to cut and damage Buuhan from long rang

goku has been able to do this since before dbz

DBZ characters can move many timed faster than the speed of light

where and when was this stated or shown?

Going by logic and Power Level, SSJ4 Gogeta is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster. There are are Galaxy Busters in the Buu Saga, such as Majin Buu and others like Broly, Hatchiyack, Bojack, etc.

then how is he a multiverse buster if the best dbz had was galaxy level? also every single character you just mentioned besides boo is non canon so they are irrelevant and worthless anyway.
going by REAL logic and powerscaling gogeta still cant universe bust given there are trillions of galaxies in a universe and hes not trilliions of times above bils

Here is evidence that Majin Buu is a Galaxy buster.

there is no manga evidence of this, your citing fillers

Also, if your bringing GT into this then Future Goku at the end of GT is a God.

no he isnt. what did goku do at the end of gt? oh right nothing. if hes a god why isnt he busting omniiverses with a thought

He fused with Shenron to become immortal and invincible.

shenron couldnt kill nappa. how would that help goku? he may as well have fused with no one. and how could it make him immortal? nothing is immortal. as long as omnipotence exists an immortal cna be dissasembled or have their soul rremoved. when was he shown as invincible if he didnt evne fight anyone fused with shenron? show me him performing mpresive feats at the end of gt. ill wait.

A SSJ3 Goku fought a high tier Reality Warper that was capable of destroying the Universe,

thats not high tier. omniverse level and multiverse level beings are.

and he fought and beat a being that was Intangible and invincible. H

if hes invincible how did he lose? and hirudegarn isnt intangible given he was clearly shown hitting things and being hit. he tripped and fell on a building

Bills, the strongest Anime character is INVULNERABLE. Goku was able to RIVAL this INVINCIBLE being!

you have no evidence of this, have provided no impressive feats demonstrating this and are just making bullshit up. if bils is invincible how come he failed in his mission and had to retreat?
the only invincible anime character is kami tenchi who has unlimited cosmic control of reality and has created multiple universes with a thought.bils had to use his fists to fight like a stupid barbarian. a god is above that sort of thing.

Comparing Sonic to DBZ is like comparing a ant to a dinosaur. Never troll at it's worst ever again please.

only because your ignorant of sonicverse's feats and exagerrate the shit out of dbz's. and hwne your told what sonic is capable of you ignore it and state the same old bullshit you always do. you never bring feats to the table.

I just can't believe you comparing Sonic to DBZ in terms of power. This should not even be a debate because it's so ridiculous. You lose this argument anyway, because of your trolling and fanboyism.

yes it is. considering you have yet to prove dbz wins. trolling and fanboyism is EXACTLY what your doing.

Superman, one of the strongest characters in all of fiction.

then you havent read widely into fiction. at all. even superman prime is only universal level. which is pretty weak compared to marvel, DC and tenchi

There is one character in DBZ that's power is in another dimension altogether.

and? that means nothing as there are several characters in fiction who destroy multiverses and dimensions on a whim with a thought.

spiritual opponets and magic users can crush them. Light can right their names down and they will die, Lelouch can command them to die and they will die,

wrong. light and lelouch need to think to use their powers. dbz characters can kill them before they realise they are in a fight.
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not to menion the TTGL from the anime would easily solo nearly everything in anime even if they were all joined to attack it

nope. TTGL barely makes it to top 10.

Raditz was only argued to be FTL because piccolo claimed Makenkosappou stretched around the earth instantly (

except no he didnt. at all

Raditz moved many times faster than the speed of light at the early stages of Z,

then he should have shreded earth's atmosphere and caused untold devastation.
and nothing in the manga or japanese anime demonstrates or states raditz was even massively hypersonic. dumbass

Really dude never heard of instant transmission lmao , that's faster than tha speed of light fool ,

how can it be FTL if its just teleporting? technically even hiraishin is FTL but its still teleporting. IT isnt movement or combat speed.

 

[Guardian of Timeline]

Stop trying to pull that crap. In reality you don't have any facts to prove your theory. Sonic with proof backing him up defeats Guldo, you just won't be able to accept it. There's really no opinion about it. You won't accept it even though you were acting like it's absolute that DBZ beats SV. Really? Now you want to stop because you know I won't shut the hell up once I know I'm right. If you want this debate to end don't keep posting on this thread.

This pathetic debate has gone on for long enough. We both have our opinions, so lets just leave it as that.

You just can't accept the truth because Guldo would beat Sonic any day. I also want you to stop because your fanboysim is blinding you from the truth.

false. no evidence he can move or fight at that speed


guldo couldnt beat krillin and gohan

yes actually. and goku hasnt fought anyone whos untouchable. hirudegarn can only turn to mist for a split second. the rest of the time hes tangible. and only reality warper is janemba whos only dimension level/
again you show you know nothing about anything besides dbz.

filler is non canon


trust me plenty concieve it


goku has been able to do this since before dbz

where and when was this stated or shown?

then how is he a multiverse buster if the best dbz had was galaxy level? also every single character you just mentioned besides boo is non canon so they are irrelevant and worthless anyway.
going by REAL logic and powerscaling gogeta still cant universe bust given there are trillions of galaxies in a universe and hes not trilliions of times above bils

there is no manga evidence of this, your citing fillers
no he isnt. what did goku do at the end of gt? oh right nothing. if hes a god why isnt he busting omniiverses with a thought

shenron couldnt kill nappa. how would that help goku? he may as well have fused with no one. and how could it make him immortal? nothing is immortal. as long as omnipotence exists an immortal cna be dissasembled or have their soul rremoved. when was he shown as invincible if he didnt evne fight anyone fused with shenron? show me him performing mpresive feats at the end of gt. ill wait.

thats not high tier. omniverse level and multiverse level beings are.

if hes invincible how did he lose? and hirudegarn isnt intangible given he was clearly shown hitting things and being hit. he tripped and fell on a building


you have no evidence of this, have provided no impressive feats demonstrating this and are just making bullshit up. if bils is invincible how come he failed in his mission and had to retreat?
the only invincible anime character is kami tenchi who has unlimited cosmic control of reality and has created multiple universes with a thought.bils had to use his fists to fight like a stupid barbarian. a god is above that sort of thing.

only because your ignorant of sonicverse's feats and exagerrate the shit out of dbz's. and hwne your told what sonic is capable of you ignore it and state the same old bullshit you always do. you never bring feats to the table.

yes it is. considering you have yet to prove dbz wins. trolling and fanboyism is EXACTLY what your doing.

then you havent read widely into fiction. at all. even superman prime is only universal level. which is pretty weak compared to marvel, DC and tenchi


and? that means nothing as there are several characters in fiction who destroy multiverses and dimensions on a whim with a thought.


wrong. light and lelouch need to think to use their powers. dbz characters can kill them before they realise they are in a fight.
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nope. TTGL barely makes it to top 10.











except no he didnt. at all


then he should have shreded earth's atmosphere and caused untold devastation.
and nothing in the manga or japanese anime demonstrates or states raditz was even massively hypersonic. dumbass


how can it be FTL if its just teleporting? technically even hiraishin is FTL but its still teleporting. IT isnt movement or combat speed.

False. Goku is many times faster than the speed of light. Even the Death Battle people said he can move many times FTL and you guys shouldn't disagree with them, they said Superman>Goku

Guldo was about to beat Gohan and Krillin before Vegeta stepped in.

Goku fought Hirudegarn, a being that was untouchable because he was Intangible.
Go and google the meaning of the word Intangible, it means that your untouchable so Hiru is.
false, Janemba is a Universal Reality Warper. He reset the entire Universe.

Again you show you don't understand DBZ true power and i do know everything else.
Vegito and Gogeta can touch and damage people without even touching them. Gogeta by logic, PL, and PS is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster. The best DBZ had was Universe level.


I showed a actually episode that Majin Buu is a Galaxy buster. Not a filler. GT Future Goku is immortal and invincible. A Universal level Reality Warper is high tier. What kind of nonsense is this? Hirudegarn is Intangible. His mist makes him Intangible. Bills left because his Master said so, Bills beat Goku anyway.


You are as clueless as a dog. I understand DBZ true power unlike clueless people like you, i don't exaggerate i know the truth. That is all. You have been a fanboy and trolled from day one so you can talk. Future Superman is a God just like Future GT Goku so there one of the strongest in fiction. Bills power is in another dimension altogether! is assume you don't even know what that means. IT is faster than light and Raditz can move FTL, Piccolo stated this. Clown.

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

This pathetic debate has gone on for long enough. We both have our opinions, so lets just leave it as that.

You just can't accept the truth because Guldo would beat Sonic any day. I also want you to stop because your fanboysim is blinding you from the truth.









False. Goku is many times faster than the speed of light. Even the Death Battle people said he can move many times FTL and you guys shouldn't disagree with them, they said Superman>Goku

Guldo was about to beat Gohan and Krillin before Vegeta stepped in.

Goku fought Hirudegarn, a being that was untouchable because he was Intangible.
Go and google the meaning of the word Intangible, it means that your untouchable so Hiru is.
false, Janemba is a Universal Reality Warper. He reset the entire Universe.

Again you show you don't understand DBZ true power and i do know everything else.
Vegito and Gogeta can touch and damage people without even touching them. Gogeta by logic, PL, and PS is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster. The best DBZ had was Universe level.


I showed a actually episode that Majin Buu is a Galaxy buster. Not a filler. GT Future Goku is immortal and invincible. A Universal level Reality Warper is high tier. What kind of nonsense is this? Hirudegarn is Intangible. His mist makes him Intangible. Bills left because his Master said so, Bills beat Goku anyway.


You are as clueless as a dog. I understand DBZ true power unlike clueless people like you, i don't exaggerate i know the truth. That is all. You have been a fanboy and trolled from day one so you can talk. Future Superman is a God just like Future GT Goku so there one of the strongest in fiction. Bills power is in another dimension altogether! is assume you don't even know what that means. IT is faster than light and Raditz can move FTL, Piccolo stated this. Clown.

That's why you couldn't prove anything? This "pathetic debate" has been over the second you stopped providing facts. (Post # 1). I can't accept what can't happen, Sonic beats Guldo and I've proven why, yet you've given me no facts whatsoever outside of time stop which I have countered. If you're so sure of Guldo defeating Sonic why can't you back it up? Because it's not true. Just stop, seriously. All you're doing is bumping this thread only to repeat the same thing. If you wanted to stop this you could have stayed off of the thread, but you came back. Back up your statements instead of repeating what you think the outcome is.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Raditz can move FTL, Piccolo stated this. Clown.

post a scan of this from the canon manga and ill believe you

Future Superman is a God just like Future GT Goku so there one of the strongest in fiction

neither created the universe. thus there must be a being above even them. just being "a" god is not the same as being god, just flat out god. the only beings in fiction who are flat out god are one above all, kami tenchi and biblical christian god. they dont need any other names. they are just infinitely powerful.

T is faster than light a

IT is teleportation. how can it be fast if its teleporting? teleportation doesnt involve movement of the body. and goku hasnt used it in battle to much good effect.

I showed a actually episode that Majin Buu is a Galaxy buster. Not a filler.

if it isnt in the manga its a filler. look up the definition of filler. your on a naruto site and you dont know what filler is? chikara arc? FILLER. kishi didnt write it!

ogeta by logic, PL, and PS is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster.

so you know full well that dbz is not as storng as you believe and so resort to non canon filler to support your claims? thats utter desperation. any self respecting fan wouldnt use filler when the original author even ignores gt several times, like whne he made dragonball online. right now, gt is almost the equivalent of fanfiction. or the numerous non canon star wars novels.

Hirudegarn is Intangible. His mist makes him Intangible

hirudegarn is tangible 90% of the time. he cant control his mist form or he would have stayed in that state the entire time. its purley reflexive since at the end of the day hirudegarn is a raging mindless beast who cant fight properly. any intelligent fighter knows that and would exploit it. true intangibility is being non coporeal. in other words having no physical form AT ALL.

Bills left because his Master said so, Bills beat Goku anyway.

exactly. hes so weak that hes forced to fight someone who should be thousands of times below his level. why would a god be spending all his time fistfighting mortals? hes a god. just mindrape them for the hell of it. or ignore them entirely. the fact he didnt means bils isnt a god. true gods dont concern themselves with mere aliens.

False. Goku is many times faster than the speed of light. Even the Death Battle people said he can move many times FTL and you guys shouldn't disagree with them, they said Superman>Goku

yet you do. and call them stupid several times. make up your mind. either they are trustworthy or they arent. and rather than relying on other fans, use your own proof and own conclusions

Go and google the meaning of the word Intangible, it means that your untouchable so Hiru is.

go and watch the movie. hirudegarn was touchable. actually he was ripped in half by a giant golden dragon punch. how could you have missed this? as i said a true intangible being wouldnt feel the need to be constantly in their physical state. obito is an eample of someone whos intanigble nearly all the time so as ti not get caught off guard. hirudegarn was clumsy stupid and primitive. he tripped on a building which enabled gotenks to pump him full of blasts. the fact thats the best theyve got in terms of untouchable fighters is just sad. also by your own logic, that means bils cant hit hirudegarn.