dbz isn't that fast?

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How is Guldo faster than light, and why does it matter? Sonic is far above that, and you saying Sonic couldn't react fast enough is stupid considering his speed feats. Also, there's nothing Guldo can do that can harm Sonic. Guldo's Time stop = Useless, Guldo's Attacks = Useless, Guldo's Telekinesis = Useless. Sonic > Guldo and DBZ verse, as I've already proven multiple times. Also, stop lying and saying I started this, because everyone can trace this back to you making the Sonic vs Guldo thread to bait me, and you restarting it here, as well as PM.

I can take a screenshot of the PMs you sent me too, so don't think you're slick. Dumbass.

Invalid. If Raditz can move above FTL, so can Guldo. Sonic wouldn't react fast enough because Guldo's Time Freezing ability is unique. He can stop time by just holding his breath and Sonic wouldn't notice and he'd fall into Guldo's trap. A simple Ki blast would be enough to take down Sonic. Guldo > Sonic Goku > Sonic and his verse

No, you started this pathetic debate on this thread that has no relevance to this thread. Stop being a ridiculous and silly child and use your brain. Stop posting on this thread! and if you really want to continue this debate, use the PM.
 

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When Raditz came to Earth and fought Goku and Piccolo, he dodged on of Piccolo's Special Beam Cannons. Piccolo's reaction to this was "That means that he is faster than the speed of light!". Raditz was faster than the speed of light, and his power level was somewhere around 1000. Before Goku fought Captain Ginyu, Jeice read his power level to be 180,000. This means that Goku was about 180x faster than the speed of light. If you multiply the power multipliers given by going SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 (SSJ4 was not written by Akira Toriyama, and the multiplier has been released for "Super Saiyan God Mode" yet) which are x50, x2, and x4 respectively, you get that Goku can move 72,000x faster than the speed of light during combat. Instant transmission is, well, instant.
 

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Invalid. If Raditz can move above FTL, so can Guldo. Sonic wouldn't react fast enough because Guldo's Time Freezing ability is unique. He can stop time by just holding his breath and Sonic wouldn't notice and he'd fall into Guldo's trap. A simple Ki blast would be enough to take down Sonic. Guldo > Sonic Goku > Sonic and his verse

No, you started this pathetic debate on this thread that has no relevance to this thread. Stop being a ridiculous and silly child and use your brain. Stop posting on this thread! and if you really want to continue this debate, use the PM.

Wishful thinking. Show me Guldo moving at light speed, or else you're just making theories. It doesn't really matter, because Sonic is wayyyyy above FTL. Secondly, Sonic wouldn't have to react, Guldo wouldn't be able to get a Time Stop in, and Sonic can tell when time is being altered, so Chaos Control could stop Guldo's time stop, and Guldo's blast is nothing compared to the attacks of multiverse busters like Mogul, when Guldo can't even bust a planet. Sonic > Guldo and Goku. It's been proven, keep trying, you have no facts, you've lost already. Sonic vs Guldo was lost by you, and Sonic vs Goku was lost by whatever his name was, it's over. Leave Sonic verse alone, you'll keep losing.

Also, you started this debate, and don't think nobody saw the Sonic vs Guldo thread you made to bait me, because everyone saw your dumb ass. You're not even good at trolling, everyone literally saw the thread and knew who you were after, kid. I'm not continuing any debate, you lost and you have no facts, the debate's over. Don't go saying you won when you can't prove any of your points. GG.
 

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Wishful thinking. Show me Guldo moving at light speed, or else you're just making theories. It doesn't really matter, because Sonic is wayyyyy above FTL. Secondly, Sonic wouldn't have to react, Guldo wouldn't be able to get a Time Stop in, and Sonic can tell when time is being altered, so Chaos Control could stop Guldo's time stop, and Guldo's blast is nothing compared to the attacks of multiverse busters like Mogul, when Guldo can't even bust a planet. Sonic > Guldo and Goku. It's been proven, keep trying, you have no facts, you've lost already. Sonic vs Guldo was lost by you, and Sonic vs Goku was lost by whatever his name was, it's over. Leave Sonic verse alone, you'll keep losing.

Also, you started this debate, and don't think nobody saw the Sonic vs Guldo thread you made to bait me, because everyone saw your dumb ass. You're not even good at trolling, everyone literally saw the thread and knew who you were after, kid. I'm not continuing any debate, you lost and you have no facts, the debate's over. Don't go saying you won when you can't prove any of your points. GG.

Invalid. Guldo is way above FTL, Sonic can't move when he's under Guldo's Time Freeze. It's impossible for Sonic to move and he'd wouldn't be able to react to a Ki blast that's coming straight at him. Guldo > Sonic Goku > Sonic and his verse
It dosen't matter if Guldo can't bust a planet or not, he has the tools to beat Sonic and make him look like a complete fodder like he already is. You lost every debate that you've been in with me. Carry on losing, and you started this pathetic debate on this thread. How stupid are you to start a debate that has no relevance on this thread. Yh, keep trolling kid as that's what your only good at. You are continuing the debate by posting, dumbass. Like i said, use your brain and stop posting. If you really want to continue this debate, use the PM and i've won this.
 

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Invalid. Guldo is way above FTL, Sonic can't move when he's under Guldo's Time Freeze. It's impossible for Sonic to move and he'd wouldn't be able to react to a Ki blast that's coming straight at him. Guldo > Sonic Goku > Sonic and his verse
It dosen't matter if Guldo can't bust a planet or not, he has the tools to beat Sonic and make him look like a complete fodder like he already is. You lost every debate that you've been in with me. Carry on losing, and you started this pathetic debate on this thread. How stupid are you to start a debate that has no relevance on this thread. Yh, keep trolling kid as that's what your only good at. You are continuing the debate by posting, dumbass. Like i said, use your brain and stop posting. If you really want to continue this debate, use the PM and i've won this.

How have I lost? You haven't proven anything. A ki blast can't effect Sonic, that's like an ant compared to the attacks of reality warpers. Sonic doesn't need to move for CC, and show me a scan of Guldo going FTL (Sonic is still above him and Guldo is nowhere near Sonic's speed. Guldo is the fodder here. Sonic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guldo, Goku, and DBZV x 10, for reasons stated. You have stated none and won nothing. You have proved nothing. At all. Well, that's not true. You've proved that you're straight up mentally retarded and need help with your brain and trolling. GG. :cool:
 

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Raditz was faster than the speed of light

No, wtf?!?! No he wasn't..that was a mistranslation in the dub, wasn't stated in the original dub or the manga, it's an ignorant hyperbolic claim made in the Funi dub and an absurd no limit fallacy.

This means that Goku was about 180x faster than the speed of light.

Lmao, I almost died!! LOOOL ....ur using argument from belief, and fallacy of accident, and using the the Funi dub as ur source for logic, which is highly false. It was scaled via pixel scaling and namek saga goku was high triple digit Mach to quadruple digit Mach speed. Massively hypersonic++

And even by ur logic Raditz reacted to light speed, he never moved or traveled at light speed. And ps his FTL statement is regarded as false.
 
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Roshi was able to finish 100 meters in 5.6 seconds in DB (which is about 65 Km/h) before he started training Goku. Goku was able to move so fast that he was able to create clones of himself when he was 12. The power level in DB is a very small, insignificant fraction of the level in DBZ so do the math.
 

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I'm trolling a banned GOT, deal with it bishes ...


Another troll thread

That's why ur banned?

DBZ characters speed are just as inconceivable like there power

And what impressive shit have they done power wise? Yup! That's right not even solar sytem busting

Raditz moved many times faster than the speed of light at the early stages of Z, so imagine how fast the other characters are.

Invalid. It was a mistranslation, never was it stated in the original manga OR THE SUB

Not to mention, Vegito punched the air so fast that he was able to cut and damage Buuhan from long range.

Troll. So did h2 ichigo, he destroyed a large amount of rock formation with the sheer speed of his sword alone,

Going by logic and Power Level, SSJ4 Gogeta is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster.


I love this shit u know, when not even anyone has busted a solar system, and u go and say they're Multiverses busters, try again troll

Invalid yet again. When ur a multiverse buster ur destroying multiple universes along with collection of dimensions, which is A FUKIN FEAT, no dbz character can even bust a dimension, so yeah try again kid.


There are are Galaxy Busters in the Buu Saga, such as Majin Buu and others like Broly, Hatchiyack, Bojack, etc.

Hahahaahahahhaahahahaahahahahahahaahhaa .....NO NO NO

Here is evidence that Majin Buu is a Galaxy buster.

Dawwww look at this what evidence, my eyes are delighted beyond the sight of such legitmate evidence.

Also, if your bringing GT into this then Future Goku at the end of GT is a God. He fused with Shenron to become immortal and invincible.

So was kami, so was enel and many other, those are self subjective and non explanatory, even I can call myself god, and THUS P3IN is god, how is he a god? Yup, he isn't. You've lost this debate.



Troll. A SSJ3 Goku fought a high tier Reality Warper that was capable of destroying the Universe, and he fought and beat a being that was Intangible and invincible. He would solo the Sonicverse with his pinky.

Lawl non canon, Lawl stupidity, Lawl ignorance. Troll. They don't even fit in the story and they never happened ..

Youth and Full power, you are insane. "Sigh" a Sonic fanboy at it's finest.

Hypocrisy was apparently coming out of my screen upon reading, fortunately I managed to push it back in. Sigh! Bills fapboy at its finest

Bills, the strongest Anime character is INVULNERABLE. Goku was able to RIVAL this INVINCIBLE being!

Bills isn't invincible, cause it doesn't say anywhere he is

Why can't you admit that Guldo>Sonicverse

Why can't u admit that bills isn't the strongest anime character, I don't know what ur smokin brother? But by logic ps and PL, ur obviously smoking lebrons kush..

Guldo is the perfect opponent for Sonic, he can stop TIME and Sonic can warp TIME. Why can't you understand that Guldo's technique is the perfect counter for Sonic's speed?

Sonic can time travel via inconsistent speed *lol face* and can rape him, ur argument is rendered invalid by lord P3IN

Seriously, You are a true troll if you don't think Goku can solo the Sonicverse. And also Guldo>Sonic so deal with it

Archie sonic shits on goku from a height, that he thinks bills himself crapped on him..

How can you even compare the Sonicverse to the DBZverse? It's like comparing Pokemon or Naruto to DBZ! lol

For starters Pokemon legendaries rape the dbz verse, u mad "kid", it seems u can't handle the truth, honestly you need a slap.

DBZ power is immeasurable! IMMEASURABLE! Do you even know what that means? "sigh" i guess you don't.

Yes we do know want it means, that why everyone randomly dies? And not to mention goku can't revive dead people..lol noob. Any omnipotent can do that, piece of cake for them.

Comparing Sonic to DBZ is like comparing a ant to a dinosaur. Never troll at it's worst ever again please.

Comparing tenchi Muyu or slayers to dbz is like comparing bills to kishimoto who actually exists Irl, never troll again please :hint:

I'm not trolling, i'm just stating the truth unlike you.

*tried to find the truth within posts*

Exe error 404, truth file not found

There is one character in DBZ that's power is in another dimension altogether. That alone destroys everything that you stated. Sonic has never fought anyone that's as good a Guldo, and this is only between Sonic and Guldo, not Sonic and the DBZ verse.

Ur the phenom brigade of NB, sonic rapes dbz verse, try again troll

Guldo beats Sonic

Dupe

Goku solos the Sonicverse in his base form anyway.

Lay low on that kush man.

Stop being a pathetic Sonic fanboy and give up. You lost this debate at the very start.

Stop being a pathetic bill fanboy, you've lost the debate from the very start.

Guldo>Sonic

That is all you need to know, Sonic fanboy

Youth has raped u

There is no point wasting time in this pathetic debate. There is no point posting any facts because we all know who the clear winner is, and that's DBZ by a landslide. Guldo beats Sonic, so deal with it and move on.

And u never bothered explains in a legit manner thus why? All ur doing is repeating urself. You lost the debate

Everyone has there own opinions so lets not continue this pathetic debate because a Mod will close or delete this thread sooner or later.

No shit son, it's still intact




False. Goku is FTL+ He is many times faster than the speed of light.

No he isn't, even bills is clocked at Mach 31,000 since there's never been a legitmate scaling afterwards to prove so..

This pathetic debate has gone on for long enough. We both have our opinions, so lets just leave it as that.

P3IN 10 - GOT 0

USSJ Future Trunks 10 - GOT 0

Youth 4 - GOT 0

You've lost every debate

You just can't accept the truth because Guldo would beat Sonic any day. I also want you to stop because your fanboysim is blinding you from the truth.

Invalid. Funny tho? Same could be said for u






False. Goku is many times faster than the speed of light. Even the Death Battle people said he can move many times FTL and you guys shouldn't disagree with them, they said Superman>Goku

No he isn't, the death battle people are noobs and idiotic fanboys, who aren't meant to be taken seriously. Other logical decanters would obviously know they're wrong. If my channel becomes famous and I make an establishment bills> Z , some people might agree, but the logical ones who know won't, and it's obvious some death battles have said it, and are considered noobs by NF LMC standards lol

Guldo was about to beat Gohan and Krillin before Vegeta stepped in.

Gohan and krillin can't time travel, sonic has infinite speed, he rapes him.

false, Janemba is a Universal Reality Warper. He reset the entire Universe.

And that's why earth was and other planets weren't effected, when u reality warp universaly, u can erases any shit in it upon thinking/speaking/motion whatever, he could've done the same to gogeta, or split his fusion.

Vegito and Gogeta can touch and damage people without even touching them.

Excuse me mY lovely GOT? Wtf is this shit? Even cp9 members can do that like kalifa using rangyaku :|


Gogeta by logic, PL, and PS is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster. The best DBZ had was Universe level.

A universe dissapeard or beign destroyed in dbz? Nope, nowhere! we go off by feats and scaling, not by some LUL calc's u came up with..


I showed a actually episode that Majin Buu is a Galaxy buster. Not a filler. GT Future Goku is immortal and invincible. A Universal level Reality Warper is high tier.

No he wasn't, it was never CONFIRMED HE WAS OR ANYTHING WHICH EVEN HINTED THAT, try again troll. Unless there's proof he was or anything which slightly hints, we can't just say he can reality warp ...I mean wtf is this?

What kind of nonsense is this? Hirudegarn is Intangible. His mist makes him Intangible. Bills left because his Master said so, Bills beat Goku anyway.


And bills is a fodder Nuff said ..


You are as clueless as a dog. I understand DBZ true power unlike clueless people like you, i don't exaggerate i know the truth. That is all

I also understand dbz true power and from what we've seen not even a galaxy has been busted in the canon series. Try again kid.


You have been a fanboy and trolled from day one so you can talk. Future Superman is a God just like Future GT Goku so there one of the strongest in fiction.

Ur the one fanboying captain obvious, TOAA> superman> goku ....deal with it..


Bills power is in another dimension altogether! is assume you don't even know what that means. IT is faster than light and Raditz can move FTL, Piccolo stated this. Clown.

IT is instant u clueless child, and chrsitopher sabat was smoking peanut butter kush when he said that line..

Piccolo only stated in the Anime that Raditz is faster than FTL.

Wrong! Ding ding, it was neither said in the anime or the original sub version ..


Bills is a God and he didn't create a Universe, he juts maintains the balance of the entire Universe.


And so he isn't the strongest, universal creation is more impressive, then destruction and it's obvious anyone who can create shit can destroy it if he wills.


King Kai stated that IT is faster than FTL

No he didnt, wtf? u just pulled that out from ur ass child ..

So what if it's a filler? You must watch other Anime that display power unbelievable but it's not in the Manga.

When ur debating an anime, u mainly use canon feats, not filler feats included, unless the OP specifies. Go debate anywhere and you'd get flamed for being such an ignorant douchebag..


Gogeta is a Multiverse or Omniverse buster by logic, PL, and PS. Hirudegarn is the strongest Intangible user

The vajranoid from genocyber turned itself into a complete non physical and non interacting form, the genocyber canceled it and she isn't even above dbz, lol fail.


he turns into a illusion when he uses his Mist. Thats true Intangibility.

And he has to become physical to attack genius, true intangibility is non corporality, which is non physical form and can use mind fuk to fuk u...or even soul fuk. Even logia intangibility is more impressive, rip kizaru to pieces, regenerates like it never happened.

I call the Death Battle people stupid because they don't understand DBZ true power but they are right on one point that Goku is many times FTL.

The only impressive speed he has is teleportation, which isn't movement, thus actual movement speed remains unaffected, they're still sub relativistic ..

The Dragon Fist can actually destroy any Intangible user. So Obito's Intangibilty is better than Hirudegarns? lol don't make me laugh with such stupidity.

Goku cleary said and so did gohan theres a perfect limit to what he can do with and period where he comes tangible, thats when goku used the dragon fist. Are u really such a noob? Ohh wait ur banned HHAHAAHAHAHA

Hirudegarn's Intangibility turns him into a illusion and he's by far the strongest intangible user.

And some people, can turn them into concepts like love, hate, and time, and?






It's just so obvious that Guldo would beat Sonic. It would be a piece of cake for him.
I stated before why Guldo would beat Sonic and you always disagree with my statements. There is no point explaining anything to a fanboy now, they won't listen.

No he wouldn't, it obvious because ur overpowering dbz using illogical claims, hyperboles, and no limit fallacies. Ur also being a stupid fanboy.

No, you tried to challenge me, i didn't target you. Yes you did bring the DBZ verse into this. When we were having a debate abut Sonic and Guldo you mentioned the DBZ verse. You better not start a Sonic verse and DBZ debate because you really are going to make a complete and utter fool of yourself. You already have and you don't need to post more that one statement on this pathetic debate because Guldo stomps Sonic with minimal difficulty. You are being in denial because you can't admit that you've lose and you really think Sonic and Guldo is debatable? Please......what kind of a clueless fanboy are you? Just give up, we all know that i've won this debate at the very start and i did prove my statements at the start. You've lose again. Guldo 1 Sonic 0 Guardian 1 Youth 0 I hope i don't extend my record to 2-0 It's all to easy. It's a piece of cake that Guldo stomps Sonic as i'm owning you in a debate now. Carry on crumbling lol

Youth did win, you lost like the hypocrite u are, and moreover ur banned as a guest, u should get butthurt over this..






You people are the worst DBZ fans ever. You always state negative things about the legendary franchise and you don't understand there true power AND you also don't understand what DBZ did to the Anime world.

We all know DBZ "true" power which isn't impressive when pitted against top tier verses way out of it caliber, we know what it did to the Anime world and that doesn't make it powerful, ur the one who's makin a fool out of dbz fans by stating shit which doesn't make little to no sense overall.


Piccolo is the cleverest DBZ character so he would know that Raditz is faster than FTL and not all the Funimation Dub is wrong.

Yes it is when it doesn't say in the manga, piccolo doesn't study physics so he obviously wouldn't know either.


No, Bills mantains the galaxies within the universe and he maintains all of it.

No he does not, his job entitles him to go and destroy planets to maintain balance..

False. Hirudegarn is the strongest Intangible character, it's like fighting a goddamn illusion. The Dragon Fist can cancel Intangible beings as Goku did so against Hiru, watch the movie if you haven't seen it. Hirudegarn is untouchable, he was way to fast for Mystic Gohan and he couldn't even track Hiru's movements. He is the strongest Intangible user, as he can turn himself into a ILLUSION. You have no clue whatsoever.

He actually became tangible when goku fuked him, and if goku could do that, anyone above him could, omnipotents obviously would.




And it's funny how clueless and idiotic you are. You know nothing about Guldo, he's the perfect opponent for Sonic and he stomps him.

LOLLLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOL


False. I won this debate from the very start.



P3IN 33

GOT -33 for trolling and being an idiot fanboy..



A Sonic fanboy at it's finest

A bills fanboy at its prime :cool:

i think Goku beats Superman.

You don't think this shit, superman rapes


I didn't lose as it's just an opinion. You did't lose either as it's just an opinion. You think Sonic is the best video game character and i think not. You also admitted that you're a fanboy, so of course you would say that Sonic is a god

Ur a bigger fanboy, lebron agrees.





Wrong, you have no idea how powerful Goku is and you have know idea how powerful that form is. He would solo the entire Sonic verse with his pinky.

I facepalmed my head off.

Nope. Guldo > Sonic Vegeta. > Shadow (proved by Death Battle. The people that you believe). Goku. > Superman

Correction

Superman> goku
Sonic> guldo
Shadow> Vegeta
Sonic>>>>>>>>>> dbz verse

Again, Goku solos the entire Sonic verse with his pinky. Accept the truth or get out.

Nope, accept the truth or remain banned.




False. DBZ speed if just as immeasurable as there power. You don't understand DBZ true power so it's obvious you won't be able to understand there speed.

They aren't even relativistic

To be quite honest, you're just a mere child that dreamt that the Sonic verse could beat the DBZ verse in your imagination.

I'll admit, this made me rofl XD




False. Goku has beaten Omniverse busters. Stop bringing the DBZ verse into this because we all know that Guldo, one of the weakest DBZ characters would solo Sonic and any other character in his verse.

No one is an omniverse buster even via hyperboles, when ur omniversal ur destroying all creation, everything that exist. Unlimited universes, dimensions, concepts EVERYTHING. Where does it hint dbz character can do that? Nowhere, u can't just assume out of ur arse when they haven't even done something as impressive as galaxy busting..

Stop being a ingnoramus and stop crying like a baby. Give up and accept the truth.

Sig material .


False. The Funi Dub is not all wrong.

Yes, but if it doesn't follow with the official translation which was written and done by Akira himself then it's obviously wrong turd.

Supreme Kai stated that entire Galaxies got erased from existence in Funi dub and the episode showed a Galaxy getting erased so it can't all be wrong.

Scan?

Never was it shown or stated in the manga


Guldo beats Sonic because of his Time Freeze and Telekinesis. Deal with it and understand the truth.

LOL

Nope, carry on trolling

You lost this and all you doing now is prolonging this debate. Guldo would get the chance to use his Time Freezing powers, as both characters have not intel on each other. Once he triggers that, he will use his Telekinesis and that will paralyse Sonic and then he'll finish him off with a simple Ki blast. Guldo. > Sonic

No he doesn't, sonic rapes via infinite speed and nigh omnipresence capabilities, he can also time warp so fuk off ..


I proved many times before on who would win. again, stop being a clueless fanboy and accept the truth.

Ohh the irony ..
 
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