Chakra Control: Naruto or Sakura

[Joshutsu]

Everyone has trouble with their jutsu thats why you need training, minato/jiraiya/kakashi failed completely at it.
So what do you think shape transformation is? the ability to mould your chakra into a form.

That's the point, Sakura doesn't have as much trouble with learning stuff, Infact I don't think we've ever heard of her having much troubles.

Shape transformation is different or there would be no division in the mentioning of the two. His chakra was changing it's shape to fit the puzzle piece of the ninja recieving. Shape transformation.

 

[To Whatever]

Yes and that my friend is really good, but notice that it hasn't been feated to having great chakra control. And Sasuke also matched his just so you know.

False, I'm giving the differences between the feats that you are putting as chakra control. And the one to first TBBs at fast repetetion, i'm pretty sure that was Kurama himself......

- Him controlling the cloaks = Ability given from Kurama

- All the chakra arms = ability given by Kurama

- TBB is something that is inferior to Rasengan when it comes to Mastery.


And no sadly, I have stated plenty of other Sakura chakra manipulation feats that you failed to acknowledge. And also, if the manga says pinnacle of chakra control = preciseness, I am suppose to say no it = huge scale?

Red: Yes it is, Amateratsu engulfs anything it comes in contact with. If Naruto didn't match the ratio it would of just turned into a bigger flame without the benefits of the Rasenshuriken's celluar or the fact that Rasenshuriken's ability to be a projectile. Even the second time when they struck Juubito with it, they match their ratios well. If Naruto didn't maintain it it would of absorbed the wind from his rasengan. If you're saying Sasuke was actively removing Amateratsu(because Amaterasu consistently engulfs) to match Naruto's rasenshuriken, then you're bullshitting.

Yellow: No it wasn't, if you look at the scans again you'll see why.

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Notice during the 1st build up forming the first TBB in the set to follow, Naruto eyes, they are different than when Kurama gained control to talked to Kakashi here:

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The iris around Naruto's pupil is more prevalent

Blue: You're completely wrong, you're comparing a part 1 Naruto who was naive to chakra molding, rotation, and maintation. To a part 2 Naruto who mastered Rasengan to the point where he can add wind nature to it, and use it with one hand. The first time he attempted the TBB it blew up in his face.

To add to that fact, when forming the TBB it consists of a Black and White chakra that has to be in a set ratio. Rasengan requires only Naruto's Chakra,Shape,Rotation, and Maintaining it. TBB is that, rasenshuriken and then some

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In this scan, Naruto even mentions it doesn't feel like it can be compared to a normal Rasengan while in that mode.

Green: I'll try my best to show you why Naruto not only has precise chakra control but it's on a larger scale than the yin seal and Sakura's pinpoint chakra punches could ever amount to.

Super-Mini Tailed Beast Ball is a TBB but condensed down into a small ball while still maintaining the 8:2 ratio. Given the large chakra pool Naruto has and the scale a regular TBB is, that's incredibly precise. He also managed to maintain that ratio after his clone dispersed.

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Continuous Tailed Beast Ball
It's TBB's fired in rapid succession. That requires you to get the Ratio correct in rapid succession, multiple times.

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Not to mention Naruto managed to match the combined TBB of all the other 6 tailed beasts, while still maintaining the ratio.

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Here he has done it with Yamato using wind Nature:

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i guess what is shown in the manga is BS

Show me where in the manga did it say Kurama granted Naruto the ability to manipulate his chakra to that extent and convert it to match others?

 

[KingHashirama]

Show me where in the manga did it say Kurama granted Naruto the ability to manipulate his chakra to that extent and convert it to match others?

Yup because something that is shown is false, and only things that are said are true.

 

[iNotorious]

Yeah

I'd say Naruto > Sakura in Chakra Control [Offensive] such as forms of Rasengan and Nine Tail's attack, especially since he uses Offensive attacks as Defensive.

But Sakura > Naruto in Chakra Control [Defensive] Since she doesn't focus on fighting as much, just protecting others and protecting herself from dying to keep healing others.

My thoughts exactly. If sakura fans were really like you.

 

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That's the point, Sakura doesn't have as much trouble with learning stuff, Infact I don't think we've ever heard of her having much troubles.

Shape transformation is different or there would be no division in the mentioning of the two. His chakra was changing it's shape to fit the puzzle piece of the ninja recieving. Shape transformation.

what has she learned besides medical jutsu?
Shape transformation is chakra control dude, shape transformation is the method of manipulating chakra to create ninjutsu.

Chakra Control is a term that refers to the control of one's chakra and aptitude at controlling it. chakra takes time and a great deal of training to gradually build up. Thus, the key is not actually having chakra, but being able to sufficiently control and conserve it. Everyone has chakra, but only skilled ninja can correctly "mould" and "manipulate" it to its fullest extent.

 

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Yup because something that is shown is false, and only things that are said are true.

Ohh so kurama is wrong and you're right? wow thanks for that kishimoto

 

[Troyg39]

Show me where in the manga did it say Kurama granted Naruto the ability to manipulate his chakra to that extent and convert it to match others?

I hate to do this but I have to be fair man

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Kurama techincally did modify his chakra before giving it to Naruto so that Naruto could distribute it. He even says while thinking about Shukaku that it was specifically his chakra delivery.

Although again to be fair, you could also say that Sakura wouldn't have learned to do what she can do on her scale without Tsunade. And so to not be confused:

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By looking at the diagram, you can see that Naruto actually is transferring his own chakra to the alliance and manipulating it to fit them. But the Kyuubi is the one that's transferring his own chakra through Naruto. Evidence of that is when Kurama says "Well I also can pass chakra to anyone through him"

So also in a way, Kurama wouldn't be able to do what he does without the help of Naruto. It's Naruto's ability to link with Kurama that allows Kurama to share use Naruto's chakra to share his own with others. But even with that, they are co-dependent, which still plays to KH's point that Kurama's chakra is off limits in this debate.

Basically the ability to manipulate and link chakra does belong to Naruto, but kyuubi chakra feats belong to kurama alone

 

[KingHashirama]

Red: Yes it is, Amateratsu engulfs anything it comes in contact with. If Naruto didn't match the ratio it would of just turned into a bigger flame without the benefits of the Rasenshuriken's celluar or the fact that Rasenshuriken's ability to be a projectile. Even the second time when they struck Juubito with it, they match their ratios well. If Naruto didn't maintain it it would of absorbed the wind from his rasengan. If you're saying Sasuke was actively removing Amateratsu(because Amaterasu consistently engulfs) to match Naruto's rasenshuriken, then you're bullshitting.

Yellow: No it wasn't, if you look at the scans again you'll see why.

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Notice during the 1st build up forming the first TBB in the set to follow, Naruto eyes, they are different than when Kurama gained control to talked to Kakashi here:

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The iris around Naruto's pupil is more prevalent

Blue: You're completely wrong, you're comparing a part 1 Naruto who was naive to chakra molding, rotation, and maintation. To a part 2 Naruto who mastered Rasengan to the point where he can add wind nature to it, and use it with one hand. The first time he attempted the TBB it blew up in his face.

To add to that fact, when forming the TBB it consists of a Black and White chakra that has to be in a set ratio. Rasengan requires only Naruto's Chakra,Shape,Rotation, and Maintaining it. TBB is that, rasenshuriken and then some

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In this scan, Naruto even mentions it doesn't feel like it can be compared to a normal Rasengan while in that mode.

Green: I'll try my best to show you why Naruto not only has precise chakra control but it's on a larger scale than the yin seal and Sakura's pinpoint chakra punches could ever amount to.

Super-Mini Tailed Beast Ball is a TBB but condensed down into a small ball while still maintaining the 8:2 ratio. Given the large chakra pool Naruto has and the scale a regular TBB is, that's incredibly precise. He also managed to maintain that ratio after his clone dispersed.

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Continuous Tailed Beast Ball
It's TBB's fired in rapid succession. That requires you to get the Ratio correct in rapid succession, multiple times.

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Not to mention Naruto managed to match the combined TBB of all the other 6 tailed beasts, while still maintaining the ratio.

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And if Sasuke hadn't matched Naruto's ratio then the amaterasu would've engulfed both of them. Notice that both of them were complimented on this... not only Naruto..

Sadly, no Kurama was still in control at that time:

-This is after they tank the Juubi TBB.. and notice that when Kurama talks the whole BM mouth moves.. meaning he is in control. Naruto and Guy and Kakashi were doing something inside at that time.

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-Notice that the mini-tbb was only done after had full gain of Kurama, because Killer B and them had mentioned specifically about him not being able to do with without Kurama:

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Maintained the ratio that is nice......... but really isn't a feat that has been credited to having great chakra control.

 

[~Sky~]

"Maintaining black and white chakra ratios." "Not a chakra control feat." -KH

 

[KingHashirama]

"Maintaining black and white chakra ratios." "Not a chakra control feat." -KH

Show me the post where i said that please.

 

[Joshutsu]

what has she learned besides medical jutsu?
Shape transformation is chakra control dude, shape transformation is the method of manipulating chakra to create ninjutsu.

Chakra Control is a term that refers to the control of one's chakra and aptitude at controlling it. chakra takes time and a great deal of training to gradually build up. Thus, the key is not actually having chakra, but being able to sufficiently control and conserve it. Everyone has chakra, but only skilled ninja can correctly "mould" and "manipulate" it to its fullest extent.

medical ninjutsu is the definition of amazing chakra control, it is the face of chakra control. Shall I even tell you that the seal is fuinjutsu? and CES is also a very demanding tech with chakra control? Her entire skill set.

Soooo that's why they referred to them as two different things on different occasions. alright.

 

[~Sky~]

Show me the post where i said that please.

Maintained the ratio that is nice......... but really isn't a feat

....tenchar

 

[GenKiDama]

naruto. sm/km. enough said.

 

[KingHashirama]

....tenchar

Nice Editing , lets look at the real quote tho:

Maintained the ratio that is nice......... but really isn't a feat that has been credited to having great chakra control.

 

[~Sky~]

Nice Editing , lets look at the real quote tho:

So correctly balancing white and dark chakra isn't chakra control?

 

[To Whatever]

And if Sasuke hadn't matched Naruto's ratio then the amaterasu would've engulfed both of them. Notice that both of them were complimented on this... not only Naruto..

Sadly, no Kurama was still in control at that time:

-This is after they tank the Juubi TBB.. and notice that when Kurama talks the whole BM mouth moves.. meaning he is in control. Naruto and Guy and Kakashi were doing something inside at that time.

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-Notice that the mini-tbb was only done after had full gain of Kurama, because Killer B and them had mentioned specifically about him not being able to do with without Kurama:

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Maintained the ratio that is nice......... but really isn't a feat that has been credited to having great chakra control.

Red: No he wasn't The mouth has to open to form the TBB. If you look at this scan you can see Naruto making the same hand formation that he used when he matched the TBB's of the other 6 tailed beasts.

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Don't tell me you're blind or wanking Sakura that much.

Blue: Of course he cannot do it without Kurama's chakra. No one can form a TBB without using tailed beast chakra. So what the hell are you talking about?

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Even though Kurama was conquered, he was still being stingy with his chakra and wasn't TAMED. Bee and the 8 tails explained how Normally you'd have to negotiate to even get the black and white chakra to form a TBB and seeing how Kurama wasn't cooperating at the time, he would get his chakra stolen and die if he wasn't careful with the usage

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I'm getting tired of having to pull up so many scans

Green Also, Sasuke matching Naruto's ratio and vise versa, in no way, shape or form take away the fact that Naruto was using chakra control by maintaining the ratio with Sasuke, who in turn, was doing the same.

 

[Joshutsu]

naruto. sm/km. enough said.

Pfft if SM was that heavily based on chakra control, then Sakura could do it. Yet Pa mentioned what? Huge chakra reserves being the reason people can learn Frog SM.

KM is just a form he gets for becoming a perf jin, I don't see much of a connection being drawn there.

 

[D R E X]

I think the poll answered your question .​

 

[ObitoKarin]

So was there a consensus?
Cause I'm still rolling with Naruto being greater with Offensive Chakra control and Sakura being greater with Defensive Chakra control