Chakra Control: Naruto or Sakura

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I'm actually really worried on the infection part. : D Sakura just put her dirty hand straight in Naruto's body. I mean Naruto is bound to die due to some infection later on. xD

Yeah, is she even aware of basic aseptic techniques? :yeah:

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Why is this six pages?...why are you confusing medical ninjutsu with chakra control?...

Another bad thread from kh.
I suppose part one kabuto> naruto too since he made a knife out of chakra too.... even though that falls under shape manipulation not chakra control.... but naruto takes that too since the pinnacle of shape manipulation is rasengan...

 

[Momochifanboy]

Sakura takes this home.

 

[FemmeFatale]

I think she is using the poison extraction jutsu to manipulate his blood flow.too.

 

[Nattana]

To me, Sakura is better at chakra control.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Sakura's chakra control is still better. Naruto's chakra control is also good, but I doubt he could learn to use high level medical techniques like Tsunade, Sakura, Shizune and Kabuto.

 

[take it easy]

Sakura's chakra control is still better. Naruto's chakra control is also good, but I doubt he could learn to use high level medical techniques like Tsunade, Sakura, Shizune and Kabuto.

narutolearned other jutsu for which need perfect chakra control

 

[To Whatever]

Sakura's chakra control is still better. Naruto's chakra control is also good, but I doubt he could learn to use high level medical techniques like Tsunade, Sakura, Shizune and Kabuto.

I doubt Sakura could master the rasengan then add an element into it.

I doubt she could master getting a 8:2 ratio of foreign chakra correct, condense it, and maintain it during a fight, despite having only attempted it during training once(And that one exploded in your face).

 

[Howard1982]

she wins hands down her charka control has always been better let the haters hate

 

[TrollingSage]

That is precisely KH's point. Kurama is the one that modifies, or "manipulates" his own chakra. Naruto doesn't do that. Again refer to both the diagram and Kurama's words. Kurama first modifies and links his chakra to Naruto's thus making it possible for Naruto to transfer Kurama's chakra along with his own. If Kurama doesn't first modify his chakra to blend perfectly with Naruto's, Naruto can not transfer Kurama's chakra to anyone. That's the reason why Kurama says that he is the one that is passing his chakra through Naruto. Kurama is handling his own chakra.

Again in the diagram you see that the kyuubi chakra is first blended by Kurama with Naruto's chakra, so that it natrually gets passed along with Naruto when Naruto does the delivery. KH is correct is saying that the Kyuubi chakra cloak chakra control feats are Kurama's feats and not Naruto's because Kurama manipulates his chakra for Naruto. Naruto doesn't mold Kurama's chakra to fit Naruto, Kurama molds Kurama's chakra to fit Naruto. So you can't consider that part of the manipulation Naruto's feat.

So yes you are right in saying that the ability to transfer chakra can be done by naruto without Kurama. But the ability to transfer kyuubi chakra can not. For Sakura, we know that while she may not be able to perfectly match her chakra and distribute it to other ninja like Naruto can, we do know that she can spread her chakra out to multiple ninja and heal them. We don't know what Naruto's chakra will do for ninja without Kurama's chakra infused with it. All feats shown so far were that based on Kurama's power. If Naruto transfers just his chakra alone, it may give them a boost in chakra and allow them to use it, but again, like I asked KH earlier, if the amount of chakra you can precisely control doesn't do much of anything, what good is it really? We don't know if Naruto's chakra alone gives other ninja any kind of boost, so we can't comment on it's effectiveness. We do know that Sakura's chakra can heal.

And that is basically everyone's point that is arguing against you. As long as the manga has never referred to any of Naruto's chakra control feats not pertaining to the help of Kurama as specifically chakra control feats, you'll never win against them. But hey you won on the polls so it's clear the people feel you are right. Now I'm not saying you are 100% wrong myself mind you. I still think that even if Sakura is better, it's not by as big of a difference as everyone is making it out to be. I'm just pointing out that in this particular situation, KH is correct according to the manga

Sharing kurama's chakra is still Naruto's feat.
Kurama only molds his chakra to suit Naruto's chakra so he can use it. Naruto then modifies the chakra Kurama gives him to suit each of the thousands of individuals he's handed the cloaks to.

 

[iNotorious]

here is what i have to say. when Naruto was in Nine Tails Chakra Mode (Kurama was helping him) he made a miniature sphere of chakra that is violently rotating in many directions, added wind natured chakra to it in the shape of four blades, had to keep it at an 8:2 ratio, and was able to keep it stabilized after throwing it. i would say that that is better than what Sakura has done.

Thus adding Sage mode natural chakra into it.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

lol, I thought this discussion was settled awhile back. Guess as long as the manga keeps it's flimsy definition of chakra control people will be arguing it forever. First, it should be noted by manga standards that medical ninjustu typically involves amazing chakra control.
and according to the manga definition sakura achieved the "pinnacle of chakra control" because of the seal. Now, obviously naruto has improved by leaps and bounds in the chakra control department- doing a one-handed rasengan proves this. However, going by manga standards, their is little said evidence of people saying Naruto is amazing at "chakra control" like Sakura has been noted to be. That perpetuates the idea of Sakura having better control.
-Now, it all really depends on what you are talking about by "chakra control"
My interpretation of the manga is like this:
Sakura is better at chakra control -which means she is better at medical ninjustu/healing (barring kyubi/regeneration cause I am sure thats a different scenario.

Naruto is better at shape( and elemental manipulation- which means he is better than sakura at everything else. (almost everything chakra related involves elemental or shape manipulation- only medical justu seem to require Sakura's level on control/enchanced taijustu

Whether you consider shape/elemental manipulation to be part of chakra control or not is irrevelent because that notion is not supported by the manga- atleast not definitively

Lastly, things like senjustu/white black ratio/odama rasenshuriken/ chakra sharing/ havenot been properly explained. Which is why they cannot technically be categorized as "chakra control" to be described as chakra control. Most likely, they fall under another
connotation like elemental or shape manipulation. Let's not even discuss the abnormalities like what it means to combine ultimate shape and nature transformation and things like that. Personally, while I don't know how fiunjustu works in relation to chakra control I would imagine bending space and time would take the most control ( unless you have a organ (eye) that bypasses control) so I would tobirama- and minato have some of the best chakra abilties- call it "chakra control" or some other term but for me thats the most impressive.

 

[xxSAGExx]

I posted the original quote.. and you still didn't understand the fact it isn't a credit to a GREAT chakra control......


-Kurama had control of Naruto's body mate... hence why he is the one talking on the outside (In the scans i provided to counter the scan you provided again for some reason) and we can hear him talk. Otherwise it would be in the background as usual.

- And I guess you do have a point. I was confused on the whole thing so yea. Thanks for clearing it up. =D

- I never said it took away anything from Naruto. However, that was a feat of 2. If Sasuke didn't match Naruto's then Naruto would've been off.. and vice-versa.






I never said it was someone else who was controlling it.. I stated the ability to control the kyuubi chakra cloaks is granted by the kyuubi..




- Yea.. having chakra on your fingers = making a knife out of the chakra.. niceeee. And if that is your logic then i guess Jiraiya is superior..

- Ohh I guess Shizune really knows about Sakura huh. Cause she never mentioned "Pinnacle of HER chakra control".. she only said "Pinnacle of chakra control".

- Lets see now, Part2 starting she was able to focus all her chakra in her body to 1 single point (Feat that Naruto can't do). She then was able take the poison out of Kankuro via chakra control on cellular level..... While she was doing all that she was putting aside half of her chakra into her forehead to form the seal..

- Wrong, those aren't forms of chakra control, those are the ways to train to be better in chakra control.


Ever wonder, why Sakura never had to train to control her chakra, while Naruto has? And Sasuke has?

-Sakura focused chakra into her fingers to cut while Jiraiya did it to use as a pen if you will, he was able to burn it into Pa's back.

-Considering Shizune is Tsunade's second hand assistance and helped trained Sakura as well, I would have to say yes she knows about Sakura. Kakashi said Sakura learned the poison Kunai from Shizune

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and she was Tsunade's student for many years so it only makes sense for her to teach Sakura when Tsunade was busy with Hokage duties. Only thing that surprised her was the fact that Sakura managed to learn to use the yin seal, it was Shizune who was the head healer of all the medical ninjas, not Sakura. If Sakura's chakra control was the pinnacle of chakra then why didn't that help her save Shikamaru? Clearly Tsunade's chakra control is over Sakura and pinnacle is top so how can someone be over the highest? So yes that's why I said Shizune was referring to Sakura's pinnacle.

-Where did she focus all of her chakra in her body to 1 point? Kakashi said she builds up the maximum, that doesn't mean all her chakra since if she did that then she wouldn't have anymore chakra after that 1 blow cause she has to release it

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. So it was more likely the maximum amount required, if she was low on chakra then this would make more sense but then again other ninjas did that. Kakashi focused all the chakra in his body to his eye for Kamui right before he died against Pein. See what I mean? Differences is that Kakashi was low on chakra while Sakura wasn't but she didn't focus all chakra in 1 point or else she would only have a 1 use attack.

Yes she took out the poison but it was never said to be on a cellular level nor was it really explained, for all you know she only put the chakra in him to detect the poison and that same jutsu she used has the ability to pull poison out since lots of jutsus have abilities

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. That's like me saying Naruto creates the millions of cellular level blades from his FRS since he has to combine the win with the Rasengan and form the FRS which forms the blades so Naruto make millions of tiny blades. Tsunade actually explained the FRS and deemed it shouldn't be used again.

Forms, types, same thing in this situation (chakra control). Chakra control is molding the chakra and being able to use that chakra. The first 2 were trainings as Kakashi mentioned about the walking on tree training, it teach them how to build up the chakra to the needed area

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and Ebisu described how walking on water was a harder training to help you use the amount of chakra needed so you don't have to over use your chakra as Naruto use to do

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Sakura was praised for her précised chakra control

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. Sakura never shown to train to use nature transformation so can she use all elements? No because even Kakashi said how long it takes to learn just 1 element. Sakura was never praised on her shape manipulation skills being advance or extremely advance such as Naruto nor have she shown to combine these different type of chakra control at the level of Naruto. Yes she is highly skilled but her chakra control is bred to be that of a support/medic while Naruto's is bred to be that of a fighter.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Naruto is winning! :bouncy:

 

[Wabbit]

Both have good chakra control in their respective field...If being precise is what great chakra control is then Lord Sasuke creates chidori needles

 

[Troyg39]

Sharing kurama's chakra is still Naruto's feat.
Kurama only molds his chakra to suit Naruto's chakra so he can use it. Naruto then modifies the chakra Kurama gives him to suit each of the thousands of individuals he's handed the cloaks to.

You just said right there that Kurama has to manipulate his own chakra for Naruto, yet you are trying to attribute the feat of sharing it to Naruto alone. Modifying the chakra is a part of the sharing process. I've already posted the diagram and other manga page where Kurama explains that he shares his own chakra through Naruto. Naruto can only modify his own chakra. He can not modify Kurama's chakra into his chakra and then mold it to suit others. Kurama has to modify it so that Naruto can handle it first. Without this step, Kurama's chakra is off limits to Naruto as far as giving it to others.

That is KH's point. Because of the necessary step that only Kurama can do, the feat does not belong to Naruto. Kurama can share his own chakra without Naruto's involvement as he showed when he gave Kakashi some. Naruto can not share Kurama's chakra without Kurama's involvement. If Tsunade had to first prep Sakura's chakra so that she could use it for healing, you wouldn't give her 100% of the credit for her healing techniques would you?

The only chakra sharing feat that solely belongs to Naruto is the ability to share his own chakra, as he can do so without Kurama's help. That isn't nearly as impressive, and minimizes the feat as far as being a great chakra control feat because Naruto's chakra pool is smaller than Kurama's. So while chakra sharing is a feat Naruto can do, you can only say that the sharing of his own chakra is his feat alone because he can not share Kurama's without Kurama's involvement

 

[TrollingSage]

You just said right there that Kurama has to manipulate his own chakra for Naruto, yet you are trying to attribute the feat of sharing it to Naruto alone. Modifying the chakra is a part of the sharing process. I've already posted the diagram and other manga page where Kurama explains that he shares his own chakra through Naruto. Naruto can only modify his own chakra. He can not modify Kurama's chakra into his chakra and then mold it to suit others. Kurama has to modify it so that Naruto can handle it first. Without this step, Kurama's chakra is off limits to Naruto as far as giving it to others.

That is KH's point. Because of the necessary step that only Kurama can do, the feat does not belong to Naruto. Kurama can share his own chakra without Naruto's involvement as he showed when he gave Kakashi some. Naruto can not share Kurama's chakra without Kurama's involvement. If Tsunade had to first prep Sakura's chakra so that she could use it for healing, you wouldn't give her 100% of the credit for her healing techniques would you?

The only chakra sharing feat that solely belongs to Naruto is the ability to share his own chakra, as he can do so without Kurama's help. That isn't nearly as impressive, and minimizes the feat as far as being a great chakra control feat because Naruto's chakra pool is smaller than Kurama's. So while chakra sharing is a feat Naruto can do, you can only say that the sharing of his own chakra is his feat alone because he can not share Kurama's without Kurama's involvement

Kurama can't share his chakra with thousands of people without Naruto modifying it first. The one who's giving chakra away is the one that has to modify. To expand on your analogy, if Sakura was out of chakra and Tsunade modified her chakra for Sakura to use,and Sakura uses the chakra she receives to heal thousands of people, then yes it's Sakura's feat, because she would have been able to do if she had enough chakra.
It's the same with Naruto, if he had as much chakra as the kyubi on his own, he would be able to share it just like he's sharing kurama's chakra now.

 

[RicardoA]

Its obviously Sakura, no contest.
Naruto has only use one element and that's not about chakra control, its about training and shape transformation, same with rasengan. Sage mode and taming the Kyubi have nothing to do with chakra control either. Nothing implies he has perfect chakra control like Sakura. Hell, probably he doesn't even have more than just average chakra control, that's not what he's about.
When he manages to get his own Yin Seal and is able to use medical ninjutsu, then he might be on Sakura's level.

Edit: I'm shocked with some of the things i'm reading here :|

 

[Kronnic]

Ide say they are about equal in chakra control tbh but also remember that naruto is dealing with a lot more chakra that sakura is..

Naruto is able to control his chakra to the degree that he can change its properties to suit each individual with is amazing and then he also has to control kurama's chakra aswell which is a feat, the fact that he is able to create chakra arms witch proves that he has great chakra control.. these arms dont just form automatically he has to control kurama's chakra to a great extent which proves how good his chakra control is

i admit sakura's chakra control is great because she is a medic but i wouldnt say she stomped over naruto

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