Chakra Control: Naruto or Sakura

[Lucidus]

Based off of doesn't = copied.

For Rasengan, he also needs a perfect ratio.. have you forgot the balloon exercise? If the ratio of his chakra had gone out it would've been done for. On top of that I doubt a technique that took 1 day to learn is harder than a technique that took a whole week.

Yea Killer B can use chakra that isn't his own either, but he sure in hell was never said to be a master in Chakra control. See its funny that you guys claim something is a big feat of chakra control, when the manga really doesn't put it as a chakra control feat...

Minato did it, just like Naruto did it with Kurama's chakra. But again, nothing big to a medical ninja. Good that he learned it..

i never said that it was copied :| also your forgetting naruto's progress throughout the manga.. the reason why he cant use it out of KCM mode is because its a bijuu's technique.. there is a difference with bee though.. his BM isnt a chakra form like naruto's is.. also there is a difference in just simply using a chakra that isnt his own and then fully manipulating it as like Naruto is doing.. besides this thread isnt about bee so there is no need to bring him into it..

you should not just discount Naruto's feats in chakra control because of Kurama since its all thanks to naruto's own ability to control Kurama's chakra

Im not exactly a naruto fan but im willing to give credit where its due...

Naruto's feats in chakra control:

Sage mode
Rasengan
Rasenshuriken
TBB
Distributing the Kyuubi's chakra in which he had to change its properties to suit each individual and micromanaging it
using kurama chakra arms
Bijuu sage mode

i will still admit that Naruto might not be the best in chakra control but he certainly isnt being stomped by sakura as you put it... also with this im out.. anything further than this is you just being ignorant to Naruto's feats and achievements.. everyone is already countering your posts but you cannot prove any of them wrong..

There are many different variations of chakra control dont forget that :|

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

- She already transfered chakra to Darui.. Already HEALED the whole alliance with HER CHAKRA.. Oh let me not forget that healing requires mad chakra control. And she did it on a HUGE scale.



Never said it does. But it grants Naruto abilities, that you fans are taking as chakra control feats.

Yup only problem is Naruto didn't design those microscopic needles himself, they just came up without his knowing.

But not to the same extent Naruto has done,he practically shielded every single person of the Alliance with his chakra as well as giving them a power boost.

 

[Joshutsu]

Again Naruto was commended by Kurama,Hashirama,and Tobirama for perfectly handing out chakra to thousands of people despite different chakra natures.Sakura is amazing at Chakra Control but Naruto slightly edges her out.

As far as i'm concerned, a pinacle is a pinacle, if you want to claim Naruto is at that pinacle then him and Sakura should be equal in chakra control. She is the one confirmed to be at the pinacle and he has not been yet, that feat was specifically referred to at chakra manipulation as it is shaping the chakra to fit different types. But meh

 

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I'm going to assume we are going to ignore the constant praise Sakura has gotten since part 1, and disregard all the times when ninja over naruto have made mention of his imprefect chakra control, and the fact it takes naruto time to learn how to mix chakra for certain techniques well and so on. Let's just do that. This has been discussed too many times for me to pull out scans and go through all that drama.

Part 1 is long gone so mentioning part 1 naruto who was bad at chakra control is irrelevant at this point.

As far as i'm concerned, a pinacle is a pinacle, if you want to claim Naruto is at that pinacle then him and Sakura should be equal in chakra control. She is the one confirmed to be at the pinacle and he has not been yet, that feat was specifically referred to at chakra manipulation as it is shaping the chakra to fit different types. But meh

That not sakura's hype it was referring to the seal not her, its said the seal is the pinnacle of chakra control similar to how rasengan is the highest form of shape transformation.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

As far as i'm concerned, a pinacle is a pinacle, if you want to claim Naruto is at that pinacle then him and Sakura should be equal in chakra control. She is the one confirmed to be at the pinacle and he has not been yet, that feat was specifically referred to at chakra manipulation as it is shaping the chakra to fit different types. But meh

It takes a certain degree of chakra control to make certain types of chakra compatible with others.What Naruto did was amazing and I'm not trying to take away from Sakura here,they both have mastery in different areas of chakra control.

 

[shadowcb]

Never said it does. But it grants Naruto abilities, that you fans are taking as chakra control feats.

Yup only problem is Naruto didn't design those microscopic needles himself, they just came up without his knowing.

The Kyuube didn't grant Naruto those abilities. He just gives him chakra. Remember when Naruto first gain the kyuubi chakra Kyuubi was sealed off so Naruto received no help from Kyuubi.

You have not evidence to prove Naruto didn't design those microscopic needles. We just know Naruto started out by creating the FR and then he went on to create the FRS.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Part 1 is long gone so mentioning part 1 naruto who was bad at chakra control is irrelevant at this point.

Not to mention things like Rasengan and SM needs some skill in controlling chakra,the fact Naruto was able to control his chakra better after befriending Kurama is amazing.

 

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But not to the same extent Naruto has done,he practically shielded every single person of the Alliance with his chakra as well as giving them a power boost.

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[KingHashirama]

i never said that it was copied :| also your forgetting naruto's progress throughout the manga.. the reason why he cant use it out of KCM mode is because its a bijuu's technique.. there is a difference with bee though.. his BM isnt a chakra form like naruto's is.. also there is a difference in just simply using a chakra that isnt his own and then fully manipulating it as like Naruto is doing.. besides this thread isnt about bee so there is no need to bring him into it..

you should not just discount Naruto's feats in chakra control because of Kurama since its all thanks to naruto's own ability to control Kurama's chakra

Im not exactly a naruto fan but im willing to give credit where its due...

Naruto's feats in chakra control:

Sage mode
Rasengan
Rasenshuriken
TBB
Distributing the Kyuubi's chakra in which he had to change its properties to suit each individual and micromanaging it
using kurama chakra arms
Bijuu sage mode

i will still admit that Naruto might not be the best in chakra control but he certainly isnt being stomped by sakura as you put it... also with this im out.. anything further than this is you just being ignorant to Naruto's feats and achievements.. everyone is already countering your posts but you cannot prove any of them wrong..

There are many different variations of chakra control dont forget that :|

Instead of the skin, Naruto's simply takes the body of Kurama with Kurama's chakra....However, he isn't the one who made that body. Though it is the same killer B, due to the fact that Bijuus are made of chakra only.

Sadly, i'm not discounting Naruto's chakra control feats. But seperating them from the abilities granted by Kurama.

Sage mode- nice but never has been credited to having chakra control of great scale. But does mean you have great chakra control.


Rasengan/TBB - Same process

Rasenshuriken - added wind blades that he had no control over


Starting to think you don't understand what micromanaged is... controlling on a great scale doesn't = micromanaging. But again, ability granted by Kurama.

Chakra Arms - Killer B got them to. its a Bijuu ability tho. Kyuubi's chakra acts as the skin for Naruto.



Yup, I believe someone who can control all their chakra in their body and move it where they want is superior to someone who cannot....

"Can't prove them wrong". Sadly I already have, they make excuses in the same manner you do. And not only me others have proved them wrong to.


And again, this is a matter of opinion, if you believe Naruto is better more power to you.

 

[Joshutsu]

Part 1 is long gone so mentioning part 1 naruto who was bad at chakra control is irrelevant at this point.

Uhm i made mention to part 2 as well, did you skip? Trouble learning rasenshuriken, trouble learning tbb even after achieving BCM, they take the effort to point out the skill in chakra control of the pink haired girl all the time yet couldn't waste a sentence to state and confirmed naruto transferring chakra to be extreme chakra control.

Sakura knows chakra transfer and so does Tsunade, they essencially do the same thing, it's not so much chakra transfer in itself than the sheer volume of people he did it on that was what was impressive to them but no mention of chakra control?

what was so hard to say control his chakra instead of transform? They didn't, all he did was transform his chakra.

 

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Not to mention things like Rasengan and SM needs some skill in controlling chakra,the fact Naruto was able to control his chakra better after befriending Kurama is amazing.

Exactly is pretty obvious that the difference in chakra control between part 1 naruto and current naruto is miles apart because even jiraiya couldn't balance senjutsu with his chakra to become a perfect Sage.

 

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Uhm i made mention to part 2 as well, did you skip? Trouble learning rasenshuriken, trouble learning tbb even after achieving BCM, they take the effort to point out the skill in chakra control of the pink haired girl all the time yet couldn't waste a sentence to state and confirmed naruto transferring chakra to be extreme chakra control.

Sakura knows chakra transfer and so does Tsunade, they essencially do the same thing, it's not so much chakra transfer in itself than the sheer volume of people he did it on that was what was impressive to them but no mention of chakra control?

what was so hard to say control his chakra instead of transform? They didn't, all he did was transform his chakra.

trouble learn rasenshuriken lol what? there is not one other person in the series that could do what he done with rasenshuriken and complete it in that small amount of time.

 

[Lucidus]

Instead of the skin, Naruto's simply takes the body of Kurama with Kurama's chakra....However, he isn't the one who made that body. Though it is the same killer B, due to the fact that Bijuus are made of chakra only.

Sadly, i'm not discounting Naruto's chakra control feats. But seperating them from the abilities granted by Kurama.

Sage mode- nice but never has been credited to having chakra control of great scale. But does mean you have great chakra control.


Rasengan/TBB - Same process

Rasenshuriken - added wind blades that he had no control over


Starting to think you don't understand what micromanaged is... controlling on a great scale doesn't = micromanaging. But again, ability granted by Kurama.

Chakra Arms - Killer B got them to. its a Bijuu ability tho. Kyuubi's chakra acts as the skin for Naruto.



Yup, I believe someone who can control all their chakra in their body and move it where they want is superior to someone who cannot....

"Can't prove them wrong". Sadly I already have, they make excuses in the same manner you do. And not only me others have proved them wrong to.


And again, this is a matter of opinion, if you believe Naruto is better more power to you.

Chakra arms arms was something naruto had to train to control properly.. which is chakra control.. even if it is an ability granted by kurama the control to use that ability isnt granted

Also i never said Naruto was better im just saying that he is not completely outclassed as you are making it out to be.. they are quite close in terms of chakra control.. sakura may be better since naruto still hasnt shown to be able to make rasengan with one hand yet even though at this point im sure he could

my point is that sakura does not stomp him in this feild.. yes she might be a little better since its her specialty after all but naruto isnt far off

 

[KingHashirama]

But not to the same extent Naruto has done,he practically shielded every single person of the Alliance with his chakra as well as giving them a power boost.

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The ability to move the kyuubi chakra on other people = ability granted by Kurama.... That is unique to solely Kurama. No one else can do that. No clue why you believe this is a chakra control feat..


And what the hell you mean not the same extent as NAruto? It was even further then Naruto's extent.

The Kyuube didn't grant Naruto those abilities. He just gives him chakra. Remember when Naruto first gain the kyuubi chakra Kyuubi was sealed off so Naruto received no help from Kyuubi.

You have not evidence to prove Naruto didn't design those microscopic needles. We just know Naruto started out by creating the FR and then he went on to create the FRS.

Kyuubi's chakra = kyuubi's power = abilities granted by kyuubi.

I don't need evidence, since the fact it wasn't shown he designed them. The thing is they just happened to be there. It was a result of the wind element colliding with his chakra making the needles.. nothing more lol.

 

[Joshutsu]

trouble learn rasenshuriken lol what? there is not one other person in the series that could do what he done with rasenshuriken and complete it in that small amount of time.

So, you are also ignoring the fact that he did have trouble getting it. No mention to the fact they explicitly stated his feat to chakra transformation and not chakra control?

 

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Kyuubi's chakra = kyuubi's power = abilities granted by kyuubi.

I don't need evidence, since the fact it wasn't shown he designed them. The thing is they just happened to be there. It was a result of the wind element colliding with his chakra making the needles.. nothing more lol.

Stop with the BS just stop, kyuubi grants naruto his chakra nothing else everything he did with it was based of his skills not the kyuubi

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

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The ability to move the kyuubi chakra on other people = ability granted by Kurama.... That is unique to solely Kurama. No one else can do that. No clue why you believe this is a chakra control feat..


And what the hell you mean not the same extent as NAruto? It was even further then Naruto's extent.



Kyuubi's chakra = kyuubi's power = abilities granted by kyuubi.

I don't need evidence, since the fact it wasn't shown he designed them. The thing is they just happened to be there. It was a result of the wind element colliding with his chakra making the needles.. nothing more lol.

If we're going to split hairs here then Sakura would'nt be able to heal the Alliance without the Yin Seal.And please show me where Sakura gave everyone a chakra boost and increased the strength of their jutsu while splitting up her chakra into thousands and then making sure it's compatible with everyone else's chakra natures.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

I say Sakura is better.

 

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So, you are also ignoring the fact that he did have trouble getting it. No mention to the fact they explicitly stated his feat to chakra transformation and not chakra control?

Everyone has trouble with their jutsu thats why you need training, minato/jiraiya/kakashi failed completely at it.
So what do you think shape transformation is? the ability to mould your chakra into a form.

 

[KingHashirama]

Chakra arms arms was something naruto had to train to control properly.. which is chakra control.. even if it is an ability granted by kurama the control to use that ability isnt granted

Also i never said Naruto was better im just saying that he is not completely outclassed as you are making it out to be.. they are quite close in terms of chakra control.. sakura may be better since naruto still hasnt shown to be able to make rasengan with one hand yet even though at this point im sure he could

my point is that sakura does not stomp him in this feild.. yes she might be a little better since its her specialty after all but naruto isnt far off

You still train in the ability that is granted by something..... He is creating the arms from the chakra he has around him.. aka the body..

And I believe he is outclassed. SO what? Is it a big deal that he is outclassed by someone who was BORN with chakra control efficiency?

- Manipulate chakra on huge level = both can do that

- Can control all the chakra in their body = only 1 can do that

- Make shapes at will = both can do that

- Make ANY shape at will = only 1 can do that

- control chakra on cellular/miscropscopic level = only 1 can do that

- split up chakra into 2 , and focus one half on a specific point of the body for a long period of time, while exhausting your other chakra and doing all sorts of medical stuff with the second half = only 1 can do that.

Stop with the BS just stop, kyuubi grants naruto his chakra nothing else everything he did with it was based of his skills not the kyuubi

i guess what is shown in the manga is BS

If we're going to split hairs here then Sakura would'nt be able to heal the Alliance without the Yin Seal.And please show me where Sakura gave everyone a chakra boost and increased the strength of their jutsu while splitting up her chakra into thousands and then making sure it's compatible with everyone else's chakra natures.

Healing = giving chakra and returning their energy....

And nice but Kurama's chakra increasing all that has nothing to do with chakra control.

And I only mentioned remote healing cause you guys are hell bent on mentioning that huge scale crap as a Naruto feat.. So i simply told you Sakura also did it.. but not only did she have to match the chakra of the people, she had to match the different wounds they had.