[Discussion] Blackbeard or akainu

[ToshiZO]

He doesn't really have a choice. I mean, if we're talking they have knowledge of each other's each fight, Luffy would be able to know to avoid his tail. He said he won't be caught three times by Rokougan, it only happened because the tail caught him by surprise. If they don't start with knowledge, then Lucci would block G3 because he'd think he can. While stunned, Luffy uses Gigant Stamp or Axe to finish him off.

Like I said CIS, he doesn't need knowledge to be able to dodge a G3 attack, its just the smarter thing to do. He didn't use tekkai on G2, no reason for him to do it for G3.

Only thing you can say is the Gear 3 punch was so big that he didn't have space to maneuver inside. Change the location and he would dodge it.

And again this is his overconfidence in his ability not him having no options against this. He has plenty of ways to avoid this if he cares to. Luffy wastes his G3 turns into chibi Luffy and puts himself in an even worse hole.

Garp wasn't even close to Roger let alone his equal at all. He stayed healthy and active marine while Whitebeard grew much weaker and was still WSM infront of him

I completely forgot to bring this point up.

More proof of Garp not being equal is the fact that right when Roger died WB was given the title of WSM. There was a reason Roger didn't have that title, or WB didn't have it when Roger was alive, because they were equals. Once one of the two were gone it was easy to hand the title over to the one left alive. The fact that the title was given with such confidence meant there truly was no one equal to WB after Rogers death.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Garp wasn't even close to Roger let alone his equal at all. He stayed healthy and active marine while Whitebeard grew much weaker and was still WSM infront of him

Cant say anything about that without sounding rude......Roger and Garp were rivals and nearly killed each other numerous times....not to mention that Garp was confident in his ability to beat Roger as whenever Roger's location was discovered, Garp went after him...Its like saying Lucci was much stronger than Luffy in Enies Lobby or that Luffy was much stronger than Croc or Enel in their respective arcs.....

Also, WB didn't get MUCH weaker and I think people overrate old age and sickness. WB was still strong and referred to as the WSM while sick yet the admirals weren't weary, afraid or cautious. They charged him head on and not only did all 3 have the advantage and better performance in a 1v1, they were disrespectful. If sick WB was still the strongest, then admirals and Garp are BARELY/microscopically weaker. If sick WB was the weakest, then the admirals and Garp were stronger simple as that. Don't mention Squidward I mean Squard please......

 

[Punk Hazard]

Like I said CIS, he doesn't need knowledge to be able to dodge a G3 attack, its just the smarter thing to do. He didn't use tekkai on G2, no reason for him to do it for G3.

Only thing you can say is the Gear 3 punch was so big that he didn't have space to maneuver inside. Change the location and he would dodge it.

And again this is his overconfidence in his ability not him having no options against this. He has plenty of ways to avoid this if he cares to. Luffy wastes his G3 turns into chibi Luffy and puts himself in an even worse hole.



I completely forgot to bring this point up.

More proof of Garp not being equal is the fact that right when Roger died WB was given the title of WSM. There was a reason Roger didn't have that title, or WB didn't have it when Roger was alive, because they were equals. Once one of the two were gone it was easy to hand the title over to the one left alive. The fact that the title was given with such confidence meant there truly was no one equal to WB after Rogers death.

Not at all. You say Lucci has no reason to use Tekkai against G3, and yet, that's exactly what he did. The fact of the matter is, when faced with G3 for the first time his overconfidence led to him trying to tank it. That was his first thought, meaning it's what he'd do more often than not. He had more than enough space to launch himself upwards and over the fist.

Proof Whitebeard wasn't called WSM till after Roger died?

 

[ToshiZO]

Proof Whitebeard wasn't called WSM till after Roger died?

Gonna ignore the Lucci argument its just dragging. But I suggest you look up Character Induced Stupidity and Plot Induced Stupidity.

Well if WB was called the WSM when Roger was alive than that means he is > Roger lol.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Also, WB didn't get MUCH weaker and I think people overrate old age and sickness. WB was still strong and referred to as the WSM while sick yet the admirals weren't weary, afraid or cautious. They charged him head on and not only did all 3 have the advantage and better performance in a 1v1, they were disrespectful. If sick WB was still the strongest, then admirals and Garp are BARELY/microscopically weaker. If sick WB was the weakest, then the admirals and Garp were stronger simple as that. Don't mention Squidward I mean Squard please......

While I disagree with "Garp was not even close to Roger" (Prime Garp is IMO 3rd or 4th strongest after Roger, Prime WB and maybe Shiki), I wouldn't really agree with that.

Not long ago I watched marineford arc on YouTube (correct me if it's just filler) and I remember interesting line that Sengoku or Garp made. Someone of them said "Don't underestamete them just because they are outnumbered" I think that sentense is speaking for itself.

WG forces in the war (biggest players): Old Sengoku, Old Garp, Akainu, Aokiji, Mihawk (Yonko level), Kizaru, Dolfamingo (Admiral level)
WB forces in the war (biggest players): Old WB (Yonko), Marco (Admiral), Jozu, Vista (Below Admiral, but can put decent fight against one)

With just one Yonko and Admiral they are huge enough treat for someone like Sengoku (or Garp) to say "Don't underestamete them".

Yeah, yeah I know some of you disagree with Marco being Admiral level or with Admiral and Yonko level being two different levels, either way it would just make things worse, because in that case WB forces would have just one Yonko level character.

That should speak for itself how strong Whitebeard was and how much powers he hold compared to other players in the war.

 

[ToshiZO]

While I disagree with "Garp was not even close to Roger" (Prime Garp is IMO 3rd or 4th strongest after Roger, Prime WB and maybe Shiki), I wouldn't really agree with that.

Not long ago I watched marineford arc on YouTube (correct me if it's just filler) and I remember interesting line that Sengoku or Garp made. Someone of them said "Don't underestamete them just because they are outnumbered" I think that sentense is speaking for itself.

WG forces in the war (biggest players): Old Sengoku, Old Garp, Akainu, Aokiji, Mihawk (Yonko level), Kizaru, Dolfamingo (Admiral level)
WB forces in the war (biggest players): Old WB (Yonko), Marco (Admiral), Jozu, Vista (Below Admiral, but can put decent fight against one)

With just one Yonko and Admiral they are huge enough treat for someone like Sengoku (or Garp) to say "Don't underestamete them".

Yeah, yeah I know some of you disagree with Marco being Admiral level or with Admiral and Yonko level being two different levels, either way it would just make things worse, because in that case WB forces would have just one Yonko level character.

That should speak for itself how strong Whitebeard was and how much powers he hold compared to other players in the war.

Sorry I stopped reading here. What in the world is this? Kizaru is in a seperate category from Mihawk and the other Admirals now? He's with Doflamingo? I actually laughed out loud.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Sorry I stopped reading here. What in the world is this? Kizaru is in a seperate category from Mihawk and the other Admirals now? He's with Doflamingo? I actually laughed out loud.

1. You are not bound to read, reply wasn't point at you. So next time read whole post or don't reply to it. Don't make me teach you manners.

2. If you read whole post maybe you could understand.

But I will give two cents about that too.

Doflamingo wasn't scared to go against Fujitora after later said that he wants to destroy him.
Mihawk is best swordsman in the world (surpassing Shanks - Yonko)
Kizaru unlike Akainu and Aokiji wasn't candidate for FA.

 

[ToshiZO]

1. You are not bound to read, reply wasn't point at you. So next time read whole post or don't reply to it. Don't make me teach you manners.

2. If you read whole post maybe you could understand.

But I will give two cents about that too.

Doflamingo wasn't scared to go against Fujitora after later said that he wants to destroy him.
Mihawk is best swordsman in the world (surpassing Shanks - Yonko)

Don't worry I got the gist of it.

As for your two cents, not getting into that. That's something I would have tried to argue like 3 years ago, that stuffs been done to death.

Besides if you believe Doflamingo = Fujitora then I'd rather not dive into this.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Don't worry I got the gist of it.

As for your two cents, not getting into that. That's something I would have tried to argue like 3 years ago, that stuffs been done to death.

Besides if you believe Doflamingo = Fujitora then I'd rather not dive into this.

Not sure what are you talking about.

Doflamingo and Fujitora's conflict happened in chapter 735 (published - january 2014). So you couldn't try to agrue that 3 years ago.
Mihawk's level is large debate even today, so again not sure what are you trying to say.

 

[ToshiZO]

Not sure what are you talking about.

Doflamingo and Fujitora's confict happened in chapter 735 (published - january 2014). So you couldn't try to agrue that 3 years ago.
Mihawk's level is large debate even today, so again not sure what are you trying to say.

I said I got where you were going with your post by reading the beginning.

And I was referring to the Mihawk/ Shanks and Admirals/Yonkou difference deal. It might be a large debate today (probably for those who haven't exhausted themselves), but I've done it myself to death, you get tired of typing the same stuff over and over.

 

[U mAd]

1. You are not bound to read, reply wasn't point at you. So next time read whole post or don't reply to it. Don't make me teach you manners.

2. If you read whole post maybe you could understand.

But I will give two cents about that too.

Doflamingo wasn't scared to go against Fujitora after later said that he wants to destroy him. -he shit his pants when aokiji appeard.he was gonna kill smoker at one momment and then he was like fak this shit im outta here.
Mihawk is best swordsman in the world (surpassing Shanks - Yonko)-ya got any proof of that.the surpassing shanks part.ussops title is god ussop currently so hes stronger then all yankos and mehawk by that logic
Kizaru unlike Akainu and Aokiji wasn't candidate for FA.-thats like saying garp's a vice admiral therefore his powers are equal to smoker/vergo other VA's

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[arv993]

Lol Garp not on Rogers level and some say he's way below it. They fought and we're equal countless times and roger said that. Roger>buggy's opinions. Ppl saying we don't kno the situation of the battles roger says clear as day it was just him and garp u have to be retarded not take that as anything other than them being equal.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Gonna ignore the Lucci argument its just dragging. But I suggest you look up Character Induced Stupidity and Plot Induced Stupidity.

Well if WB was called the WSM when Roger was alive than that means he is > Roger lol.

PIS wasn't involved in that moment at all. CIS is just a fancy way of saying a trait of a character negatively affected his performance. Thats a legitimate part of battle, whether it be ignorance, stupidity, overconfidence, anger, etc. If Lucci blocked the Gigant Pistol because of who he is as a character, then that carries to versus matches and just means more often than not, He will try to block it if he has no knowledge on it each time. You can't rule out his character traits just because they don't appease your opinion or go in your favor.

So?

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Doflamingo didn't shit himself against Kuzan. He knew even if he beat Kuzan, it'd take too long and he'd be in a terrible state. Doflamingo left because he had more important business to handle with Law and Dressrosa, which he wouldn't be able to do if he fought Kuzan, something he had nothing to gain from.

1. You are not bound to read, reply wasn't point at you. So next time read whole post or don't reply to it. Don't make me teach you manners.

2. If you read whole post maybe you could understand.

But I will give two cents about that too.

Doflamingo wasn't scared to go against Fujitora after later said that he wants to destroy him.
Mihawk is best swordsman in the world (surpassing Shanks - Yonko)
Kizaru unlike Akainu and Aokiji wasn't candidate for FA.

Kizaru wasn't a candidate for FA because his intelligence is lacking, not his power. A Fleet Admiral is just an Admiral who controls the Marines.

 

[Phoenix110]

It took all of the willpower invested in me to not dislike and give neg rep to that trash post op.

But Blackbeard or Gorosei will be the final villain.

Awesome sig . I kinda agree with ya

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

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Did you seriously compare Mihawk's title of WSS to Usopp's title?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

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Proof that he pissed in front of Kuzan? Even if he did, I have put them in two different tier, so my points would stand either way. He haven't pissed his pants in front of Fujitora.

You got it right. Usopp is stronger than Yonkos and Mihawk (combined). U_U

We know reason for Garp not being on higher position.

Kizaru wasn't a candidate for FA because his intelligence is lacking, not his power. A Fleet Admiral is just an Admiral who controls the Marines.

I respectfull disagree with FA being just ordinary Admiral and with Kizaru lacking intelligence. He has goofy personallity, but he reached high level of power, something that only around 20 characters in OP possess (maybe even less), I don't think someone who is stupid can do that.

 

[U mAd]

Did you seriously compare Mihawk's title of WSS to Usopp's title?

well apperantly now buggy decides whos stronger and who's not and god ussop the name is >WSS but that dosn't mean he is.title's are misleading and conflicting using them to decide a fight where 2 people who have fought and killed each other numerous times really woudn't be accurate.

PIS wasn't involved in that moment at all. CIS is just a fancy way of saying a trait of a character negatively affected his performance. Thats a legitimate part of battle, whether it be ignorance, stupidity, overconfidence, anger, etc. If Lucci blocked the Gigant Pistol because of who he is as a character, then that carries to versus matches and just means more often than not, He will try to block it if he has no knowledge on it each time. You can't rule out his character traits just because they don't appease your opinion or go in your favor.

So?

Doflamingo didn't shit himself against Kuzan. He knew even if he beat Kuzan, it'd take too long and he'd be in a terrible state. Doflamingo left because he had more important business to handle with Law and Dressrosa, which he wouldn't be able to do if he fought Kuzan, something he had nothing to gain from.



Kizaru wasn't a candidate for FA because his intelligence is lacking, not his power. A Fleet Admiral is just an Admiral who controls the Marines.

cant belive u said that@ bold

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

well apperantly now buggy decides whos stronger and who's not and god ussop the name is >WSS but that dosn't mean he is.title's are misleading and conflicting using them to decide a fight where 2 people who have fought and killed each other numerous times really woudn't be accurate.


cant belive u said that@ bold

Mihawk got his title based on the fast that he is the strongest swordskan in the world. Usopp got his title from the former toy slaves because he saved them and seemed divine to them, it has nothing to do with strength.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Proof that he pissed in front of Kuzan? Even if he did, I have put them in two different tier, so my points would stand either way. He haven't pissed his pants in front of Fujitora.

You got it right. Usopp is stronger than Yonkos and Mihawk (combined). U_U

We know reason for Garp not being on higher position.



I respectfull disagree with FA being just ordinary Admiral and with Kizaru lacking intelligence. He has goofy personallity, but he reached high level of power, something that only around 20 characters in OP possess (maybe even less), I don't think someone who is stupid can do that.

He can't even tell the difference between the Den Den Mushi. When Law got past one attack, he just stopped and let them get away. Someone like that isn't fit for being Fleet Admiral, which requires a lot of strategy and day to day work. Fleet Admiral is the OP equivalent of being a Kage. If being in the top tier means you have to be intelligent, I guess Luffy will be out of it forever.

well apperantly now buggy decides whos stronger and who's not and god ussop the name is >WSS but that dosn't mean he is.title's are misleading and conflicting using them to decide a fight where 2 people who have fought and killed each other numerous times really woudn't be accurate.


cant belive u said that@ bold

I'm not saying Doflamingo would win, I'm saying since his only options when fighting Kuzan would be die or win and be left gravely wounded, fighting Kuzan wouldn't be wise.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

He can't even tell the difference between the Den Den Mushi. When Law got past one attack, he just stopped and let them get away. Someone like that isn't fit for being Fleet Admiral, which requires a lot of strategy and day to day work. Fleet Admiral is the OP equivalent of being a Kage. If being in the top tier means you have to be intelligent, I guess Luffy will be out of it forever.

Which I would say is more comedic moment.

Aokiji let Straw Hats escape two times in the row.

I agree. And is Kage same level as Jonin?