so roger himself saying that garp and him have nearly killed each other countless times isn't enough proof that garp could match roger then what is.what kind of proof do u need then.if this dosn't make 2 characters almost equal (one's always better,taking it to extreme diff,i consider equal)nothing will.
[Discussion] Blackbeard or akainu
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That's because you think it's proof which isn't.
Luffy beat Crocodile, was he stronger or even equal to him?
Luffy beat Enel, was he stronger or even equal to him?
Roger and Garp nearly killed each other numeros times, but we have never seen fight between them, we don't know how the fight went. Was Roger ill? Who had more backup? etc...
With only Roger's words, I would say that they are equal, but we got informations for two more characters,
Buggy: Whitebeard was the only man who was equal to Roger (Buggy likely know about Garp vs Roger fights)
Shiki: The likes of you could never capture Roger.
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Luffy and Lucci were equals.
Crocodile lost because he conveniently started using his abilities less and less and tried to rely on his hook. Not to mention he'd have killed Luffy if not for Robin.
Not even close. They were on the same level but not close to what you would call being equals. If Garp and Roger are anything like Luffy and Lucci then they are not equals.
Closest thing to equals we knew were Sakazuki and Kuzan.
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Oh...well if those two are equal to you than ofcourse Garp would be equal to Roger. I don't think you have the same definition of equal as I do. Lucci and Luffy were on the same level but ofcourse it was obvious Lucci was superior. When it is obvious one is superior you aren't equals. For example Madara and Hashirama, they were not equals cause no matter how long they fought Hashirama always had the upper hand.
You can offer up an extreme diff fight but if it the outcome is pretty obvious you aren't equals. If you are both at equal risk of losing the fight than can you call yourselves equals.
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Lucci wasn't superior. They were matching blow for blow the entire time. Both had equal chance of winning.
No they didn't. Luffy was on the floor unable to move. Lucci was ready to walk away. Luffy needed nakama speech and willpower to even get back up.
The fight happens 10 times. Lucci wins 9 out of the 10 times. The 1 loss was the one we saw.
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And before that, Lucci got lucky a boat was below him or he'd have fallen into the water and died. Both had parts where the other could have won but didn't. And willpower isn't some external factor. The nakama speech didn't boost Luffy either. Luffy was able to get up because he had the capability to keep on fighting. Had Lucci attempted another fatal attack, that would have been just as effective as Usopp's speech at Luffy springing back up.
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Not really that has more to do with the location. Lets say they were fighting on a plain field?
And willpower/ nakama speech is a factor that is not consistent. Like I said if they fought 10 times, each time will lead to Luffy getting hit by a Rokuogan leading him to fall. The difference will be he wont be getting back up every time because he is trying to save Robin or Usopp is giving him a nice speech. At that point Luffy was a walking corpse.
The difference injury wise prior to the last gattling was pretty astounding. Luffy was way more hurt compared to Lucci who was breathing heavy and walking away.
They are not equals. They are on the same level but they are not exact equals, there is a slight difference in strength, and under different circumstances/ equal standing (meaning no friends to save etc.) Lucci has a higher chance of winning.
Equals = a 50/50 fight not 55/45. Lucci vs Luffy was most definitely not a 50/50 fight there was a slight difference, Luffy pulled an upset.
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You really think Luffy would be caught every time? That's highly unlikely.
And it doesn't matter that that was a case of location. What matters is both were in scenarios where they got lucky and that's why they lived. Just like when Luffy was in Chibi form and got lucky his G3 damage hit Lucci again at just the right moment.
A lot of Luffy's hurt was from Gear 2. Gear 2 drains Luffy's nutrients and energy at a rapid rate. That wasn't completely from Lucci's blows, so it's not a pure testament to him.
Yes they are equal because neither had a better performance. If Lucci had dove to kill Luffy while immobile, Luffy would have definitely been motivated enough by his will to live to get up.
That is why he was below him lol. He didn't have good control of G2 or G3. He was hurting himself trying to keep up with Lucci this itself is a clear sign of being inferior to somebody. When you put your body at risk to keep up with another characters comfortable combat level. Happens all the time in fiction its nothing new.
Lucci is gonna hit Luffy with Rokuogan every time. He has the feats to back that up. Read the entire fight more carefully you will see that it was Luffy who pulled an upset over Lucci. Lucci was the superior fighter.
Luffy was on the
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from taking a Rokuogan, then he took another
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when he barely managed to get up, Lucci turned his
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thinking the fight was over and the corpse of Luffy finished him with a Jet gattling through pure willpower and to save his nakama. This is what you call an upset.Remove Robin, have them face off with no motive but to take the other down. Nobody around them 1v1. Lucci wins 9 out of 10 times, he was simply a more seasoned fighter at that point.
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Thats what put him as Lucci's equal. With poor control, he and Lucci were going blow for blow, neither were fighting better or doing more damage. Both were landing blows that stunned the other who then bounced back the entire time. If Luffy had full control at his strength level, he wouldn't have been immobile and he'd be above Lucci.
No, not really. You have no way of knowing Rokougan would hit every time. I could just as easily say ten fights our of ten, Lucci would have landed in the water 9 times and this is the one time he survives.
It was an upset because it appeared as though he were done for, but he found the motivation in the will to protect his friends. Luffy's will to live is just as great, so if Lucci came at him to kill him, he'd have stood up all the same.
No one around, Lucci would have landed in the water.
lol like I said you are relying on the location too much. Set the match in an open field with no water surrounding it? What then?
Rokuogan would hit every fight, he got him when Luffy was in G2. Feats back this claim up. Even when Luffy saw it coming he got hit.
If you believe this is being equal to someone then Im glad you wouldn't draw out Akainu vs Aokiji cause you would end up making one look like a b itch.
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Then they'd just go blow for blow until one loses.
Nope. Like I said, you have no way of knowing Rokougan would hit every time. In a plain field, how do you know when Luffy hit Lucci, he'd hit the ground and while stunned, get another Gigant Pistol that knocks him out before they even get to Rokougan. The terrain played in Lucci's favor quite a bit.
Lmfao what? You make no goddamn sense.
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And in your plain field scenario, Luffy could knock him out before Rokougan even happens.
No. Luffy is not hitting him with Gear 3 like that everytime. It was CIS for him to use Tekkai there. He can dodge gear 2 attacks, he has no reason to use tekkai on Gear 3. But in an open field he has more space to maneuver anyways so standing there like an idiot taking Gear 3rd is even less likely to happen.
Rokuogan on the other hand was used when Luffy was in Gear 2nd.
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He doesn't really have a choice. I mean, if we're talking they have knowledge of each other's each fight, Luffy would be able to know to avoid his tail. He said he won't be caught three times by Rokougan, it only happened because the tail caught him by surprise. If they don't start with knowledge, then Lucci would block G3 because he'd think he can. While stunned, Luffy uses Gigant Stamp or Axe to finish him off.
