[Discussion] Blackbeard or akainu

[arv993]

What made you think that Akainu is not strong as Kaido?

BB will be the FV. Akainu is currently 'mainer' he is the one who killed Ace, but BB could kill Shanks, man who inspired Luffy, or maybe Sabo (yes? no?), and take the FV.

Afterall BB is evil version of Luffy.

Portrayal and hype indicates kaidou>akainu. He is known as the strongest creature, akainu individually was never ever given that much hype, he wasn't stronger than garp in marine ford which apparently Oda mentioned so my opinion seems not far off

 

[YellowFang]

WG will be the final villain...

Please note, WG =/= Gorosei (They are just new world geezers)

 

[giostep]

Exactly

Garp, wb, roger, shiki seem to be on that level.

Kaidou seems to be right there too. Akainu seems to be a tier below if we are considering these guys at prime

stopped reading there.prime WB mid diffs akainu and im being generous.since old sick whitebeard who was on life support seems stronger.

Why would the Marines have soldier who cannot match the Yonko, with WB included? The WG as a whole along with the WL = Yonko and all of thier crews and allys. Please dont say that old WB instana wins vs any admiral. WB never got to a lvl of strength that was unattainable by anyone other than garp/rodger. Old sick WB died to the Wg + BB, yes they took some damage. WB struggled and couldnt even last til the end of the war, dont hype him to the point where people are going to start under rating his feats.

 

[Hexuze]

Blackbeard IMO. I think he's better fit as a villain than Akainu. I also think that Akainu would have a fight against Sabo rather than Luffy anyways.

 

[U mAd]

Why would the Marines have soldier who cannot match the Yonko, with WB included? The WG as a whole along with the WL = Yonko and all of thier crews and allys. Please dont say that old WB instana wins vs any admiral. WB never got to a lvl of strength that was unattainable by anyone other than garp/rodger. Old sick WB died to the Wg + BB, yes they took some damage. WB struggled and couldnt even last til the end of the war, dont hype him to the point where people are going to start under rating his feats.

rogder=WB=GARP.no other marine solder is on their level.

 

[arv993]

Why would the Marines have soldier who cannot match the Yonko, with WB included? The WG as a whole along with the WL = Yonko and all of thier crews and allys. Please dont say that old WB instana wins vs any admiral. WB never got to a lvl of strength that was unattainable by anyone other than garp/rodger. Old sick WB died to the Wg + BB, yes they took some damage. WB struggled and couldnt even last til the end of the war, dont hype him to the point where people are going to start under rating his feats.

They got numbers over any single yonko they have 3 admirals and fleet admiral and garp plus elite vice admirals. Wb was better than all marines except garp period. Wb is better than any admire even when he is old. He took a lot of damage b4 the akainu fight and he had multiple heart attacks akainu is a tier below a prime wb.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

BB, akainu tho will be on of the last standing.

 

[ToshiZO]

They got numbers over any single yonko they have 3 admirals and fleet admiral and garp plus elite vice admirals. Wb was better than all marines except garp period. Wb is better than any admire even when he is old. He took a lot of damage b4 the akainu fight and he had multiple heart attacks akainu is a tier below a prime wb.

He had multiple heart attacks but lets ignore them and believe in an imaginary world where WB doesn't suffer from health issues?

Sorry to break it to you but those heart attacks aren't being caused by Buggy's psychic powers, they are a result of WB's strength at that age.

Thats like me saying sure lets ignore Itachi can't use MS for too long lets give him unlimited stamina because I said so....not how it works buddy.

Lets pretend Kimmimaro wasn't sick as well because I said so.

You can say WB IF he wasn't sick would be > Akainu but you can't say the WB we saw at marineford was. CANON Old WB that is, not this fanfiction you have going on here.

Health issues are a part of the character.

 

[U mAd]

He had multiple heart attacks but lets ignore them and believe in an imaginary world where WB doesn't suffer from health issues?

Sorry to break it to you but those heart attacks aren't being caused by Buggy's psychic powers, they are a result of WB's strength at that age.

Thats like me saying sure lets ignore Itachi can't use MS for too long lets give him unlimited stamina because I said so....not how it works buddy.

Lets pretend Kimmimaro wasn't sick as well because I said so.

You can say WB IF he wasn't sick would be > Akainu but you can't say the WB we saw at marineford was. CANON Old WB that is, not this fanfiction you have going on here.

Health issues are a part of the character.

all of the character's u said sufferd defeats to inferior characters in terms of powers due to sickness.those has to be done for the sake of plot.itachi was stronger but for the story to develop sasuke needed to kill him.later was revaled he was sick and basically planned the battle to let sasuke win.WB was destroying akainu until he escaped in to the ground.this was sick WB.WB was different from other sick characters.exp:nagato,itachi their sickness was cused due to their own over use of powers but WB's power declined cause of age and sickness.unlike the other characters u mentoined he was old and sick.oda has alredy made it clear that WB was rogers equal and its logical for roger>akainu so WB>Akainu.so there is no dout that WB is stronger then akainu.

 

[ToshiZO]

all of the character's u said sufferd defeats to inferior characters in terms of powers due to sickness.those has to be done for the sake of plot.itachi was stronger but for the story to develop sasuke needed to kill him.later was revaled he was sick and basically planned the battle to let sasuke win.WB was destroying akainu until he escaped in to the ground.this was sick WB.WB was different from other sick characters.exp:nagato,itachi their sickness was cused due to their own over use of powers but WB's power declined cause of age and sickness.unlike the other characters u mentoined he was old and sick.oda has alredy made it clear that WB was rogers equal and its logical for roger>akainu so WB>Akainu.so there is no dout that WB is stronger then akainu.

Yup and that's why they would be weaker. I would rank Kimimmaro lower than chaaracters who would be below him if not for his sickness. But not in Itachi's case, since he never planned on killing Sasuke, Itachi played Sasuke like a flute, he was definitely the superior one. However when looking at Itachi in general you account for his health and stamina. Unless you state "Healthy" Itachi. Same thing here, state "Healthy" WB and you probably have an argument.

WB > Akainu obviously.

Old and Sick WB not so much.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Marshall D. Teach is the final villain. Not only is it way more symbolic, it makes way more sense.

 

[Black Mamba]

I think BB is the final villain just a feeling. I wouldn't mind if Akainu was the final villain he is not weak lmao

 

[giostep]

rogder=WB=GARP.no other marine solder is on their level.

You make this like narutp were tier 1 = no one outside of that tier can beat you, well this isnt naruto. WB and Garp and Rodger were the strongest of thier generation, but that doesnt mean that no one had a chance at beating them or could beat them. The 4 yonko are suppose to be a match to the 4 admirals, not greater than them. Also an angry WB shouldnt be the basis for strength. Why? Because in a regular fight the chances of him getting so angry are slim, you think he would have had the same performance if ace didnt get executed in front of him? You think that a calm level headed WB would have put up such a fight? Characters have variations in fighting performance and for whatever reason few member understand that in a regular fight 1 v 1 with no distraction or being enraged that just about all top tier characters (Admirals and Yonko, and Mihawk) will perform just about evenly vs each other, some will have an advantage cuz of fighting style and df vs others but across the board they are virtually even match-ups...

 

[A v i]

MF Akainu or any admiral for that matter should be able to win against MF Wb but only after reaching near death state. Crocodile called MF Whitebeard pathetic when compared to his healthy version which explains the obvious gap b/w healthy Old Whitebeard and Old sick Whitebeard. Admirals are an even match for Old Whitebeard when his strength drops to pathetic level so obviously admirals are much weaker than Whitebeard when he was in better shape.


Like many other fans , I am one of those who believes that Wg will be the final obstacle of Luffy. I mean Luffy definitely won't stop at PK. He;ll be the one to bring ultimate freedom to OP verse from Cd's and their rule. So I don't think a single individual from Wg would be regarded as final villain. I can totally see Luffy going for multiple opponents during this so called ultimate war.

Blackbeard might be his final obstacle to become PK though.

 

[arv993]

He had multiple heart attacks but lets ignore them and believe in an imaginary world where WB doesn't suffer from health issues?

Sorry to break it to you but those heart attacks aren't being caused by Buggy's psychic powers, they are a result of WB's strength at that age.

Thats like me saying sure lets ignore Itachi can't use MS for too long lets give him unlimited stamina because I said so....not how it works buddy.

Lets pretend Kimmimaro wasn't sick as well because I said so.

You can say WB IF he wasn't sick would be > Akainu but you can't say the WB we saw at marineford was. CANON Old WB that is, not this fanfiction you have going on here.

Health issues are a part of the character.

Do u know how to read I was just proving that the old wb who is sick is quite below his prime self which Marco and several others pointed out. Why are u bringing stupid naruto comparisons

Old wb > akainu should I remind u that he took a toll from other ppl b4 he even got to akainu and still had the upper hand. Should I post the page where it says the amount of damage he took. It wasn't just normal old wb but very damaged old wb against akainu

 

[ToshiZO]

^Do you know why he was damaged lol? Its funny its the same reason I explained earlier but it went over your head. His health. Nobody else is responsible for it but himself.

Replace an Admiral with WB where he got damaged, they dont get damaged.

 

[A v i]

Do u know how to read I was just proving that the old wb who is sick is quite below his prime self which Marco and several others pointed out. Why are u bringing stupid naruto comparisons

Old wb > akainu should I remind u that he took a toll from other ppl b4 he even got to akainu and still had the upper hand. Should I post the page where it says the amount of damage he took. It wasn't just normal old wb but very damaged old wb against akainu

I guess he was merely stating that Old sick Wb gets beaten by Akainu which is true. He never said that Old Whitebeard would be weaker even if he's healthy. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[arv993]

MF Akainu or any admiral for that matter should be able to win against MF Wb but only after reaching near death state. Crocodile called MF Whitebeard pathetic when compared to his healthy version which explains the obvious gap b/w healthy Old Whitebeard and Old sick Whitebeard. Admirals are an even match for Old Whitebeard when his strength drops to pathetic level so obviously admirals are much weaker than Whitebeard when he was in better shape.


Like many other fans , I am one of those who believes that Wg will be the final obstacle of Luffy. I mean Luffy definitely won't stop at PK. He;ll be the one to bring ultimate freedom to OP verse from Cd's and their rule. So I don't think a single individual from Wg would be regarded as final villain. I can totally see Luffy going for multiple opponents during this so called ultimate war.

Blackbeard might be his final obstacle to become PK though.

Are u talking about a very injured old wb vs an admiral or a fresh old wb vs an admiral.

 

[arv993]

^Do you know why he was damaged lol? Its funny its the same reason I explained earlier but it went over your head. His health. Nobody else is responsible for it but himself.

Replace an Admiral with WB where he got damaged, they dont get damaged.

So the other countless injuries don't count? He was damaged cuz he single handedly was doing a lot of the fighting. I'm talking about a fresh old wb vs akainu. Akainu would lose even worse if it was a fresh old wb since even when he got 90 million bullets in the fight between him and akainu was still relatively even

Do u think shanks at that point wouldn't mid diff wb. Since he was already shown equal with non injured old wb.
Portrayal and everything shows old wb with no injuries would beat akainu or the other admirals.

And are u really ok in the head u do know the admirals are logias right so comparing to wb in that perspective is beyond stupid

 

[A v i]

Are u talking about a very injured old wb vs an admiral or a fresh old wb vs an admiral.

I was talking about Old sick Whitebard without prior injuries.In other words Whitebeard at the beginning of the MF arc. If he's healthy then obviously he beats any given admiral.