About Naruto and Sasuke outside source powers

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SAsuke can only use amen a few times and Naruto almost never has a team with him lmfao especially not a team of Taka's caliber
Why would he need it more than a few times when Toneri cannocially got knocked out in 1 punch. You assume Sasuke needs more than 1 ameno to neg diff Toneri.

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This thread is utterly pointless. Naruto is the transmigrant of Ashura and hence will always consign with the principles Ashura abided to.

And even if this thread has a bit of substantiality, Naruto did defeat the 3rd Raikage without Kurama chakra.
Hashirama is a Ashura transmigrant yet he doesn't need team work or Bijuus to be strong.

Naruto still has Kurama powering him up, even if Naruto wasn't in KCM.
 

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Why would he need it more than a few times when Toneri cannocially got knocked out in 1 punch. You assume Sasuke needs more than 1 ameno to neg diff Toneri.

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Sasuje would wreck Toneri. If Naruto can do it Sasuke deff can cuz he doesnt like talking.

He would have to do it before Tomeri summons the golem and uses his powers.
 

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Sage Mode equals Mangekyou Sasuke so there you go.
They are both natural powers, I don't see the issue. Naruto trained to gain Sage Mode, it is not like Naruto had to get any outside source power.

Mangekyou Sharingan is a natural power for Uchiha, they require no enhancement and especially no outside source power.
 

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Hashirama is a Ashura transmigrant yet he doesn't need team work or Bijuus to be strong.

Naruto still has Kurama powering him up, even if Naruto wasn't in KCM.
Kurama didn't augment Naruto's SM. Don't assume just to assert your claims. Withal, despite the fact Hashirama didn't need the Bijuus to augment his strength, that doesn't connote he didn't get help during his live-time.
 

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Kurama didn't augment Naruto's SM. Don't assume just to assert your claims. Withal, despite the fact Hashirama didn't need the Bijuus to augment his strength, that doesn't connote he didn't get help during his live-time.
I never said Kurama powered up SM specifically, you are the one say that. I said Kurama helped with Naruto recovery enabling him to train longer than natural. Kurama powers up Naruto, which powers up Naruto chakra, strength, speed, stamina etc beyond natural.

We never saw Hashirama needing anyone to get strong, Hashirama seems to be talented even as a kid.
 

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They are both natural powers, I don't see the issue. Naruto trained to gain Sage Mode, it is not like Naruto had to get any outside source power.

Mangekyou Sharingan is a natural power for Uchiha, they require no enhancement and especially no outside source power.
I know thats the point. The OP was saying Naruto never uses his own power. Sage Mode disproves that. Especially when it jumped him to kage level.
 

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I never said Kurama powered up SM specifically, you are the one say that. I said Kurama helped with Naruto recovery enabling him to train longer than natural. Kurama powers up Naruto, which powers up Naruto chakra, strength, speed, stamina etc beyond natural.

We never saw Hashirama needing anyone to get strong, Hashirama seems to be talented even as a kid.
No his Uzumaki genes help him with that. Kushina was also a jin of kurama so Naruto recieved his own resistance to Kurama as well as his mothers and is the only one able to manipulate the chakra with that much skill. He was basically bred to utilize kyuubi just Sasuke was meant to awaken Sharingan.
 
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