About Naruto and Sasuke outside source powers

[Jokule67]

I mentioned that in my OP, but Sasuke has feat before getting Itachi eyes. Sasuke only solo feat is against Danzo. The kage submit and Killer Bee required team work.

Oh I getchu. Of course Sasuke has more feats. Thats his character. He is the prodigy. But its not like he didnt have help since he was 13. Kakashi, Oro and Tobi helped him get stronger. Just like Naruto kept using Kyuubi, there are hardly any fights where Sasuke had CM and DIDNT use it.

The one time he did, he had Mangekyou already.

 

[SusanooGodEgde]

Friendly talk only, trollers.

 

[super michael]

SO basically what sasuke people are saying is from the moment Sasuke got the EMS no feat is his anymore lol

Correct your right, once Sasuke gets Itachi eyes then he is no longer using his own powers. Although Sasuke has feat before EMS and before getting and losing CM.


@SusanooGodEgde I acknowledge Naruto using SM, but doesn't change that Kurama is always powering Naruto up.

 

[Glad Of War]

I never said Kurama powered up SM specifically, you are the one say that. I said Kurama helped with Naruto recovery enabling him to train longer than natural. Kurama powers up Naruto, which powers up Naruto chakra, strength, speed, stamina etc beyond natural.

We never saw Hashirama needing anyone to get strong, Hashirama seems to be talented even as a kid.

And I'm saying neither did Kurama nor his chakra aided Naruto in defeating the 3rd Raikage.

Hashirama clearly needed some bit of advocacy to get stronger. Even from the very beginning, Tobirama was depicted to be more talented than Hashirama. Tobirama even on several occasions compared Naruto with Hashirama.

 

[Jokule67]

SO basically what sasuke people are saying is from the moment Sasuke got the EMS no feat is his anymore lol

No thats just Sasuke bases logic for Naruto reversed on Sasuke. Personally I dont care. Zetsu stated that all these are tools dependant on the master.

 

[SusanooGodEgde]

I'm not downplaying Sasuke or Naruto. It just that the fanboys of the two won't admit that their equal.

 

[super michael]

Sorry forgot everyones sensitive now

It one thing to be fan, but it is never ok to insult anyone no matter what. It doesn't matter what fan anyone is, there a thing called respect.

Remember this everyone has different opinion, there is nothing wrong with that. But it is crossing the line when insulting starts to get used.

 

[Jokule67]

Correct your right, once Sasuke gets Itachi eyes then he is no longer using his own powers. Although Sasuke has feat before EMS and before getting and losing CM.


@SusanooGodEgde I acknowledge Naruto using SM, but doesn't change that Kurama is always powering Naruto up.

His Uzumaki genes power him up. The only reason he can hold Kuruma is because of his own chakras power. The fox chakra didnt start leaking till the fight with Haku little by little. His chakra pool is not due to the kyuubi. He had Kyuubi since day 1. Sasuke awakening sharingan doesnt make his powers more justified to have, especially when Naruto mother also was a jin and her clansmen before her.

 

[DIzmiz01]

Itachi is the only true solo powered character who's beast mode

 

[Jokule67]

Itachi is the only true solo powered character who's beast mode

Gai is another and is the True Beast of Konoha.

 

[SusanooGodEgde]

Itachi and Guy are true solo heroes.

 

[patrickscott]

Itachi and Guy are true solo heroes.

This is true.

 

[rollin]

yes we have
in the forest orochimaru used the five part seal to stop kurama's chakra

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afterwards kabuto said if this kid masters his chakra use he'll be a monster

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wow....what chakra stamina
if this kid masters his chakra use he'll become a monster

 

[super michael]

His Uzumaki genes power him up. The only reason he can hold Kuruma is because of his own chakras power. The fox chakra didnt start leaking till the fight with Haku little by little. His chakra pool is not due to the kyuubi. He had Kyuubi since day 1. Sasuke awakening sharingan doesnt make his powers more justified to have, especially when Naruto mother also was a jin and her clansmen before her.

Nice your right I forgot that Naruto didn't leak Kurama chakra till after Haku battle, so that means before Haku battle all the feat was Naruto own power I guess that proof Naruto has high chakra alone.

Sasuke didn't need any unfair modifications, enhancement to awaken the sharingan unlike EMS and Rinnengan, I don't see the Sharingan as an outside source.

If Naruto was born without any seal, modification with Kurama then you have a point, but it looks like Jinchuuriki parents Bijuu powers doesn't get passed on to their kids. Unfortunelty I haven't got a source, but someone in Narutobase told me that Boruto and Himawari didn't inherit Kurama or the other 1-8 Bijuu but that could be wrong for all I know.


@rollin excellent I forgot about the forest of death and the battle with Naruto vs Kiba, excellent.

 

[Jokule67]

Nice your right I forgot that Naruto didn't leak Kurama chakra till after Haku battle, so that means before Haku battle all the feat was Naruto own power I guess that proof Naruto has high chakra alone.

Sasuke didn't need any unfair modifications, enhancement to awaken the sharingan unlike EMS and Rinnengan, I don't see the Sharingan as an outside source.

If Naruto was born without any seal, modification with Kurama then you have a point, but it looks like Jinchuuriki parents Bijuu powers doesn't get passed on to their kids. Unfortunelty I haven't got a source, but someone in Narutobase told me that Boruto and Himawari didn't inherit Kurama or the other 1-8 Bijuu but that could be wrong for all I know.


@rollin excellent I forgot about the forest of death and the battle with Naruto vs Kiba, excellent.

Smh bro UZUMAKI. Do I really have to go on about their LIFE FORCE, STAMINA , and HIGH RESERVES. You low key try and give Narutos Sage Mode accomplishment to Kyuubi when its due to his own genes as a Senju/Asura descendant.

Kyuubi is not powering up Naruto unless you see the damn cloak.

 

[rollin]

Nice your right I forgot that Naruto didn't leak Kurama chakra till after Haku battle, so that means before Haku battle all the feat was Naruto own power I guess that proof Naruto has high chakra alone.

Sasuke didn't need any unfair modifications, enhancement to awaken the sharingan unlike EMS and Rinnengan, I don't see the Sharingan as an outside source.

If Naruto was born without any seal, modification with Kurama then you have a point, but it looks like Jinchuuriki parents Bijuu powers doesn't get passed on to their kids. Unfortunelty I haven't got a source, but someone in Narutobase told me that Boruto and Himawari didn't inherit Kurama or the other 1-8 Bijuu but that could be wrong for all I know.


@rollin excellent I forgot about the forest of death and the battle with Naruto vs Kiba, excellent.

without kurama naruto does not only have a strong chakra but he has a lot of it as well

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[super michael]

Smh bro UZUMAKI. Do I really have to go on about their LIFE FORCE, STAMINA , and HIGH RESERVES. You low key try and give Narutos Sage Mode accomplishment to Kyuubi when its due to his own genes as a Senju/Asura descendant.

Kyuubi is not powering up Naruto unless you see the damn cloak.

It seems I made a mistake, Kurama didn't help in recovering Naruto to learn Sage Mode, here is the link

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It mentioned Kurama helps heal while in Sage Mode.

So it appears Kurama chakra didn't help Naruto learn Sage Mode faster.

Uzumaki gives high Life force, stamina, chakra, etc there is no disagreement with me there.

Does a Jinchuuriki need a cloak to be powered up? Every Jinchuuriki appears to be strong, we haven't seen any weak Jinchuuriki. Gaara has no cloak yet has Shukaku powers active and can transform into Shukaku.

 

[HENI]

You're making sh*t up. If that were the case than Naruto wouldn't even have to talk to Kurama or ask him for chakra. He has been beaten numerous time while Kurama was present without going into Kyuubi cloak. In fact Kurama did quite the opposite through most of the manga.

Naruto had to fight against Kurama's influence just to learn Sage Mode. What you just posted was BS dude. :kk:

When Naruto fought people the kyuubi always had his back. When he fought Sasuke he had the kyuubi and still lost. When neji had his ass on the corner the kyuubi said "you're lucky you have me biiitchh". The title shouldn't be Naruto. It should be Kurama. He saved his ass so many times. Even Luffy from One Piece fights with his power. He doesn't need no ugly ass monsters inside of him. Naruto is weak , " I got friends, they got my back. " Naruto don't even know everyone's names. He just calls them friends. Even when he tried to get the kyuubi chakra his mom helped him. Yondaime stopped naruto from releasing the seal. Sasuke is badass. He gets his own powers. When Sasuke left the village Naruto stayed like "oh I have friends!" Sasuke earned his own Sharingans from one comma to 3 comma to Ems to Rinnegan.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The Hachibi said that once he beats the Kyuubi in a tug of war, the chakra is his.
So kcm naruto is naruto using his own power while ms Sasuke is him using his own mangekyo no transplant.
Beginning of naruto and sasuke's real power is non borrowed

 

[Nardo]

Smh stop spreading lies