About Naruto and Sasuke outside source powers

[super michael]

The problem with Naruto is we never seen him fight without Kurama, Naruto has always been powered up by Kurama. We had a chance to see Naruto fight without being a Jinchuuriki but Naruto fell uncousin unlike Kushina who lost Kurama but was able to fight. Basically we never seen Naruto use his own power and just his own.

Sasuke we seen him fight with his own powers and nothing else. When Sasuke got CM that was borrowed powers, but we saw Sasuke fight with his own powers before getting CM. When Sasuke lost his CM that was Sasuke using his own powers and it lasted till he got EMS.

Sasuke may have had team mates, but that doesn't change Sasuke was using his own powers with no enhancement.

Basically Naruto has no feat without Kurama, while Sasuke has feat without CM and without EMS.

 

[Mori Jin]

He beat Toneri with a punch without kurama. So try again fapboy

 

[Umari Senju]

Sage Mode? He fought 3rd Raikage in SM the entire fight Kurama couldn't help because he was recharging his chakra. :sdo:

Gawd you Sauce faps are really annoying today :kk:

 

[super michael]

He beat Toneri with a punch without kurama. So try again fapboy

Why do you resort to name calling? The fact that Naruto was in Bijuu mode means he has Kurama in himself and using Kurama powers.

@Umari Senju Naruto has Kurama in his body powering himself up. When a human has a Bijuu in his body, basically means he gets powered up.

 

[wanderingcactus]

you wanna know what Naruto would've been like without Kurama?

he'd be Sasuke.

the reason why Naruto (the show) wouldn't have gone anywhere without Sasuke is because Naruto IS Sasuke (before sasuke's conception in the show)

so Kishi has this character that is stripped off of his natural talent and potential because of an enemy so great that he "has" (minato and kushina actually made that decision) to make a great sacrifice and give up his life essentially.

much like playing a game with an overpowered MC and then losing everything and going back to square 1.

So obviously you're going to need someone to serve as a "OP companion" and thus came Sasuke.

also that quote "fight with his own powers and nothing else" is false. I dont think you've been paying attention.

Sasuke fan here, and nope. Itachi fights with his own powers. Sasuke needed help. Sasuke is full of himself and that's his downfall of his character. That one aspect that I didn't like. Until I saw that pairing. *shudders*

 

[Melanin]

Sasuke would've solo glanced Toneri.,

 

[Umari Senju]

Why do you resort to name calling? That fact that Naruto was in Bijuu mode means he has Kurama in himself.

@Umari Senju Naruto has Kurama in his body powering himself up. When a human has a Bijuu in his body, basically means he gets powered up.

You're making sh*t up. If that were the case than Naruto wouldn't even have to talk to Kurama or ask him for chakra. He has been beaten numerous time while Kurama was present without going into Kyuubi cloak. In fact Kurama did quite the opposite through most of the manga.

Naruto had to fight against Kurama's influence just to learn Sage Mode. What you just posted was BS dude. :kk:

 

[Mori Jin]

Why do you resort to name calling? The fact that Naruto was in Bijuu mode means he has Kurama in himself and using Kurama powers.

@Umari Senju Naruto has Kurama in his body powering himself up. When a human has a Bijuu in his body, basically means he gets powered up.

Nah it's the chakra which is his because he took it for himself. Watch the movie he beat toneri without kurama.

 

[00Rinne]

Shinobi use tools!

Kurama was a tool!
SM/NE is a tool!
The sharingan is a copy tool!

That is their power! different way of getting them though weather training, borrowed, stolen or given to. At the end of it all they have it for themselves so it's their power..

(Believe me! I don't like the handouts either, but they have them)

 

[Jiren]

Sasuke would wreck Toneri.

 

[DIzmiz01]

Sasuke would have to fight toneri+the statue separately and considering toneri can drank sasuke's chakra just like naruto's unless sasuke has hinata helping him he's fuked

 

[Jiren]

Sasuke would have to fight toneri+the statue separately and considering toneri can drank sasuke's chakra just like naruto's unless sasuke has hinata helping him he's fuked

Sasuke wrecks neg difficulty. Ameno, Preta path and a chidori to the heart is all it will take.

 

[super michael]

Naruto by being the Jinchuuriki gets a power boost, every Jinchuuriki gets a power boost by having a Bijuu, that is a fact in the manga.

There nothing in the manga that states being Kurama Jin hindered Naruto growth in power, instead the opposite is true, since Kurama chakra was fusing with Naruto meaning getting stronger even without doing anything.

Naruto having Kurama helped in recovering faster, meaning being able to train more than natural and mastering Sage Mode Faster. It possible that Naruto may not even be able to have got Sage Mode in the first place.

Kurama only hindered Naruto from fusing with the frogs nothing else, it didn't hinder learning and mastering Sage Mode.

My point is Naruto has always been powered by Kurama, never did we see Naruto fight without anything enhancing himself.

Sasuke we see him fight without any enhancement such as CM and EMS. Both Sasuke and Naruto rely on team to fight, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Mori Jin]

Toneri preta paths sasuke and done fights over.

 

[DIzmiz01]

SO while naruto has no feats without kurama you're saying sasuke has no feats without his team backing him up? interesting

 

[Jiren]

SO while naruto has no feats without kurama you're saying sasuke has no feats without his team backing him up? interesting

Naruto usually has a team,kurama and lots of thers backing him up. Didn't stop him from getting spared by Sasuke

 

[Jiren]

Toneri preta paths sasuke and done fights over.

two absorbation jutsus usually cancel each other like how two ocular jutsu cancel each other out. toneri is not fast enough to touch sasuke with ameno.

 

[super michael]

SO while naruto has no feats without kurama you're saying sasuke has no feats without his team backing him up? interesting

Sasuke has plenty of feat without enhancement from outside source and without team work as well as team work.

Sasuke has feat with outside source power.

As for Naruto he has no feat without outside source power, but has plenty of feat with outside source power and team work.

 

[DIzmiz01]

SAsuke can only use amen a few times and Naruto almost never has a team with him lmfao especially not a team of Taka's caliber

 

[Glad Of War]

This thread is utterly pointless. Naruto is the transmigrant of Ashura and hence will always consign with the principles Ashura abided to.

And even if this thread has a bit of substantiality, Naruto did defeat the 3rd Raikage without Kurama chakra.