Misconception: Itachi > Jiraiya

[Raito]

For some ppl a facepalm isn't enough

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The envy because of the Uchihas greatness turns into heatred, you have to see that the Uchihas are one of the strongest, against their eye power someone like Jiraiya is nothing.

All Itachi needed for Orochimaru - who has full score in Genjutsus - was a standart Sharingan Genjutsu, even Sasuke handled him with one.

The very idea, that Jiraiya could beat a full power Itachi with his Genjutsus, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo (included to Totsukas Sword and Yatas Mirror) and also his other skills in Ninjutsus, speed, excellent use of weapons, his see through ability and mastermind ist just stupid, stupid stupid stupid.

A sick Itachi, who used several Genjutsus, several Katon-Jutsus, Tsukuyomi, 5 times Amaterasu and Susanoo for 5-10 minutes against Sasuke, wouldn't be able to defeat Jiraiya because of his "weak" stamina? Seriously, either you hate Itachi, or you're just stupid.


blood hound, it does not matter which kind of Genjutsu it is, it has the same effect and the Sharingan has the ability to see through all Genjutsus.

 

[The Eye]

You're funny. How long it took untill Jiraiya came into his Senninmode? And even if he's in the Senninmode, Tsukuyomi will still work, Amaterasu will kill him and Susanoo crush him. And dou you think, would come into his Senninmode before he got hit by Itachis Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu or Susanoo?



Rarely heard something stupid..Do you think that this Genjutsu will affect the Sharingan? Only because the stupid Pain was affected by it?

Genjutsus are Jiraiyas weakness, even Orochimaru didn't stand a chance against Itachis normal Genjutsus,..oh man, have no desire do argue with you more, just stupid.

You're also funny yourself. Is this the same tsukuyomi that kakashi countered with a clone? he used the hidden mist tech to block the sharigan filed of vision but yet it worked. your telling me jairya cant do the same? he can place itachi within the frogs stomach like he did nagata's path and itachi and kisame. itachi would probably not want to fight there as the acid would just burn his skin so he would most likely try to escape. using amaterasu (bruning up the lil stamina he has not to mention blinding him even more) jairya could use this time to summon ma and pa. generate sage mode while his clone is fighting. regardless if he losses chakra sage mode would restore a new type of chakra.

now the genjutsu isnt a eye genjutsu therefore the sharigan isnt superior to it. its a sound genjutsu. even nagato was caught witin it and when pa tried to do it again he deperatly killed him to avoid it happing again

 

[tamilnaruto]

yeah it`s right..
wen he knows about that 6 paths he will definitely have beaten nagato...
so jiraya>>nagato

 

[FloriGlori]

..Kakashi countered Tsukuyomi with a clone? Really? There's no word describing what you just said.
The fog was only used in the anime - a mere filler. On top of that Itachi said that a trick like that wouldn't work on him. Despite all that Jiraiya can't even use Suiton.. my oh my, you're a shame.

It doesn't matter what kind of Genjutsu is used. All of them have the same effect; they affect the brain. It doesn't matter how it is used, it's an illusion, and therefore practically useless against Itachi.

I won't even comment the rest. It's painfully obvious that you lack some common sense.

 

[Raito]

"Even" Nagato was caught in it? U_U. It does not matter what kind of Genjutsu it is, the Sharingan sees through all. Was Shees blending Genjutsu a visual Genjutsu, or why Sasuke was able to see through it?

Itachi is faster than Jiraiya, one Amaterasu will finish this battle, as simple as that. Jiraiya lost against Orochimaru, they're about the same level, a sannin is can't stand before the power of the Sharingan? How long it took untill Jiraiya reached the Senninmode against Pain? Your ideas are absurd.

 

[The Eye]

..Kakashi countered Tsukuyomi with a clone? Really? There's no word describing what you just said.
The fog was only used in the anime - a mere filler. On top of that Itachi said that a trick like that wouldn't work on him. Despite all that Jiraiya can't even use Suiton.. my oh my, you're a shame.

It doesn't matter what kind of Genjutsu is used. All of them have the same effect; they affect the brain. It doesn't matter how it is used, it's an illusion, and therefore practically useless against Itachi.

I won't even comment the rest. It's painfully obvious that you lack some common sense.

Actually what i said made perfect sense. casting a genjutsu on a clone just made the jutsu useless and a watse of chakra. A filler? it wasnt a filler though what are you talking about.
it wasnt actually tsukuyomi that was cast but it would have the same affect to a clone

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The sound genjutsu would catch itachi nuff said.

 

[The Eye]

"Even" Nagato was caught in it? U_U. It does not matter what kind of Genjutsu it is, the Sharingan sees through all. Was Shees blending Genjutsu a visual Genjutsu, or why Sasuke was able to see through it?

Itachi is faster than Jiraiya, one Amaterasu will finish this battle, as simple as that. Jiraiya lost against Orochimaru, they're about the same level, a sannin is can't stand before the power of the Sharingan? How long it took untill Jiraiya reached the Senninmode against Pain? Your ideas are absurd.

nagato himself has genjutsu blocks in his brain. But sound is something you cant cancel out unless your deaf. The sound genjutsu would catch anyone in it.

 

[Raito]

Itachi didn't use Tsukuyomi. He said already in the beginning of this battle that he won't use it.

 

[The Eye]

Itachi didn't use Tsukuyomi. He said already in the beginning of this battle that he won't use it. And your last.

even if he did use it

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[Rozzy]

so true jman = itachi +rep

 

[FloriGlori]

You really believe you made perfect sense? Cute.

May I advise you to re-read

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chapter? You'll see that Kirigakure no Jutsu was in fact a filler.

The sound genjutsu would catch itachi

Indeed. And after that happened he would cancel it by using his Mangekyou Sharingan. Apart from that he needs to be in Sennin Modo to cast that illusion, which takes more than five minutes of preparation. During that time Jiraiya is dead meat. Think before you post.

 

[Avani]

You really believe you made perfect sense? Cute.

May I advise you to re-read

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chapter? You'll see that Kirigakure no Jutsu was in fact a filler.


Indeed. And after that happened he would cancel it by using his Mangekyou Sharingan. Apart from that he needs to be in Sennin Modo to cast that illusion, which takes more than five minutes of preparation. Think before you post.

Where did you get that bolded part exactly? link please.

 

[FloriGlori]

It's common knowledge that the Sharingan can see through Genjutsu. A Dojutsu that can break Tsukuyomi can obviously break the illusion used by the two great elders, too.

 

[mdavedinero]

One thing I know 4 certain is that there are very few people dwat would have been able to take on Jiraiya pain inclusive but if he had info on pain before going in he would have actually gotten rid of pain so he's > than Itachi

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are asked nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be taken with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

 

[kourosh]

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The envy because of the Uchihas greatness turns into heatred, you have to see that the Uchihas are one of the strongest, against their eye power someone like Jiraiya is nothing.

All Itachi needed for Orochimaru - who has full score in Genjutsus - was a standart Sharingan Genjutsu, even Sasuke handled him with one.

The very idea, that Jiraiya could beat a full power Itachi with his Genjutsus, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo (included to Totsukas Sword and Yatas Mirror) and also his other skills in Ninjutsus, speed, excellent use of weapons, his see through ability and mastermind ist just stupid, stupid stupid stupid.

A sick Itachi, who used several Genjutsus, several Katon-Jutsus, Tsukuyomi, 5 times Amaterasu and Susanoo for 5-10 minutes against Sasuke, wouldn't be able to defeat Jiraiya because of his "weak" stamina? Seriously, either you hate Itachi, or you're just stupid.


blood hound, it does not matter which kind of Genjutsu it is, it has the same effect and the Sharingan has the ability to see through all Genjutsus.

you are just a crazy fanboy

 

[Raito]

you are just a crazy fanboy

:*

 

[natssuu]

The sound genjutsu would catch itachi nuff said.

Do you really think that Itachi would get caught in it? Kurenai's genjutsu was easily broken by Itachi. And Kurenai is called an expert of genjutsus.

 

[destined 2 win]

Kishi made it painfully obvious that these two Kage-level fighters are equals. Yet a lot of people choose, on purpose or not, to underestimate Jiraiya when conversations regarding these two inevitable occur. I think fanboys aside; a lot of it has to do with the whole out of sight, out of mind mentality which isn’t unusual with all the awesome fights we have witnessed after Jiraiya’s death however the facts remain.

Databook scores: 35, 5 vs 35, 5.

They share the number one spot with the exact same score. They excel at each other’s weaknesses while they are also able to master the ability to shield their individual weaknesses e.g. by either entering special modes or by simply adapting their strategy accordingly. In essence they can both beat each other and most likely, most times, it would come down to minor details which would’ve otherwise been irrelevant (condition, surprise aspect, killing intent, etc). Kishi > speculation.

Itachi and Kisame’s infamous meeting with Jiraiya:

Kisame, one of the legendary swordsmen, directly admitted inferiority to Jiraiya, while Itachi claimed that he could only draw with him. These words were stated in the manga.To those who would argue that Itachi wouldn’t hurt anybody from Konoha, well, answer these questions:

Why did Itachi order Kakashi’s murder? Why did Itachi and Kisame go after Naruto? Why didn’t Itachi prevent Kisame from chopping off Naruto’s leg? Last I checked Itachi wasn’t a psychic, so until those questioned are asked nobody can trash the scan.Itachi feared he couldn't get to Sasuke, in one piece, if he engaged in an all out war with him.

Why Itachi can’t just one-shot him every time:

Besides the databook (and various statements made throughout the manga, e.g. Pain stating that Jiraiya could have won their epic battle), I will also like to point out that Jiraiya is an efficient counter fighter. His entire fighting style revolves around him being able to think on the spot, with his humongous /versatile arsenal, and successfully counter his opponent(s). This means that he won’t fight two different fighters the same, and he will specifically design his game plan around his opponent’s strength/weaknesses i.e. he will break down Itachi and realize that he should be worried about Itachi’s genjutsu. He would keep the battle long range, avoid eye contact, and last but least summon toads and/or Kage bunshins which would raise his odds considerable e.g. Itachi would be hesitant to cast Tsukuyomi when he sees several clones in front of him, of course due to his poor chakra/health.

As I said, we have witnessed Jiraiya’s unique fighting style in a lot of different scenarios. He deduced Konan’s weakness in mere seconds and disposed of her like she was pure fodder. Which we know is false since she technically killed the most invincible man on the planet. He also knows when he is outmatched and when to actually revise your plan. Against the six path of pain he figured out the fact that he needed to separate them and actually meet them one-on –one, which is brilliant. He also realized that one the paths could turn “invisible” so he decided to use a barrier that is able to detect movement. This again indicates, that Jiraiya can’t be taken with his pants down… unless in a bath house.

Itachi = Jiraiya

wow u are the first person in narutobase who actually presented a logical reasoning in vs fight between two persons.

the points i liked about your arguments are
1.a ninja is truely deadly when he can mix up with strength and speed and skills and be versatile and intelligent enought to change with respect to opponents caliber,battle condition.

2.konan example was very robust and convincing

3.until now there is no differece in itachi's fighting style
itachi always starts with genjutsu,tsukuyomi
regular fire ball tech and simple shuriken fight and then normal taijustu
then amatersu
then susanoo
then try to seal his opponent

itachi is so normal pattern fighting style

while jiraiya has shown different technique , skills and adaptability and versatility than any other shinobi in naruto verse.

 

[frankieblazer]

If your base for such a thread is on data book stats then you really dont have an argument im afraid. Sure they might have the same stats, but stats do not decide a fight. Loads of things decide a fight and if you were to analyse their abilities in detail and disregard stats, youd come to the conclusion that itachi is superior to jiraiya.

The first paragraph was enough for me.

This Gentleman here is all rubbish and no sense

 

[destined 2 win]

Do you really think that Itachi would get caught in it? Kurenai's genjutsu was easily broken by Itachi. And Kurenai is called an expert of genjutsus.

before trolling analyse the facts,

kurenai genjutsu was visual while ma and pa casts audible genjutsu.

even if itachi closes eyes or closes ears he will still get caught in that genjutsu. itachi cant survive audible genjutsu only if he wears sound proof headphone while fighting , if he has any . :izuna: