[Discussion] Can an Admiral one shot Luffy?

[Punk Hazard]

kizaru wont land all his beams at once, so its not a one hit KO.

Yeah because Luffy is getting up from a light arrow to the brain or heart.

 

[arv993]

Yeah because Luffy is getting up from a light arrow to the brain or heart.

He has enough observation haki to avoid major hits like that. Kizaru has not shown he is able to one shot a FM level character.

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It would only take one hit

Nah. If kizaru got his heart then yea, even Magellan can do that. But it’s unlikely they would injure him with critical hits since he is about yonko FM level. Kaido is just the top dog

 

[Punk Hazard]

He has enough observation haki to avoid major hits like that. Kizaru has not shown he is able to one shot a FM level character.

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Nah. If kizaru got his heart then yea, even Magellan can do that. But it’s unlikely they would injure him with critical hits since he is about yonko FM level. Kaido is just the top dog

I'm talking about the attack landing...

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm talking about the attack landing...

Buggy could one shot you too if the attack landed, that's the point is could an Admiral like Kizaru hit Luffy with a kill shot on a single shot and I gotta say Arv made a good point I doubt with Luffy's ob haki now I doubt an Admiral even Kizaru would land a one shot kill shot.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Buggy could one shot you too if the attack landed, that's the point is could an Admiral like Kizaru hit Luffy with a kill shot on a single shot and I gotta say Arv made a good point I doubt with Luffy's ob haki now I doubt an Admiral even Kizaru would land a one shot kill shot.

Well, when we talk about one-shots, do we mean exactly like Kaido where it's just the first attack sent, or if an Admiral can KO Luffy with one attack landed?

Either way, all three of the original Admirals are gonna be able to do so(I'm excluding Fujitora because Luffy has a special resistance to his moves and we don't know what Green Bull does). If Kaido can blitz Luffy, I'm sure Kizaru and Akainu can. Aokiji also has ridiculous AoE, so I don't think Luffy can dodge a widespread freeze. Luffy effectively utilizing future sight has been on panel, what, one time? Aside from when he dodged Katakuri's Gatling-imitation, when have we seen future sight definitively enhance Luffy's abilities to the point that we can start attributing it to him as a regular thing in battle?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Well, when we talk about one-shots, do we mean exactly like Kaido where it's just the first attack sent, or if an Admiral can KO Luffy with one attack landed?

Either way, all three of the original Admirals are gonna be able to do so(I'm excluding Fujitora because Luffy has a special resistance to his moves and we don't know what Green Bull does). If Kaido can blitz Luffy, I'm sure Kizaru and Akainu can. Aokiji also has ridiculous AoE, so I don't think Luffy can dodge a widespread freeze. Luffy effectively utilizing future sight has been on panel, what, one time? Aside from when he dodged Katakuri's Gatling-imitation, when have we seen future sight definitively enhance Luffy's abilities to the point that we can start attributing it to him as a regular thing in battle?

I took the discussion as could an Admiral do like Kaido and end the fight against Luffy in and with a single connected attack. Maybe I was being too literal? But in that sense I don't think Kizaru would be able to land a laser shot to the heart or brain in the first attack and I don't think he has an attack comparable to Kaidou's strength to KO Luffy with a single hit. I think he could blitz him and kick him but that kick wouldn't put him down and firing a laser from any distance I feel would give Luffy too much time to dodge, he was dodging Pacifista lasers which are pretty much comparable to Kizaru's, or at least nothing has said they are inferior in any way.

If Kaido can blitz Luffy, I'm sure Kizaru and Akainu can.

Granted one is light and the other is a top tier but why are you sure they can do the same things Kaido can? Kaido was said to be a unique case in 1v1's now I know that doesn't make him the fastest or strongest character but I wouldn't say just because he can do something against a particular guy and they are close him they could do it against that guy too, that's bordering abc logic.

when have we seen future sight definitively enhance Luffy's abilities to the point that we can start attributing it to him as a regular thing in battle?

Not a regular thing but he has increased it's abilities from fighting Enel to Mihawk to Kata and like Mihawk maybe it's only a life or death moment but that's the scenario we're talking about now, life or death. Luffy was also irrationally angry with Kaido and as we saw against Kata that can disrupt Ob haki, I think when cool headed he has it to a point now where he would be able to avoid lethal hits while healthy, which to be a real one shot would have to occur while he's still healthy.

Aokiji also has ridiculous AoE, so I don't think Luffy can dodge a widespread freeze

True, he may not be able to dodge it but we don't know that he would remain frozen either. We have the Doffy instance and for whatever reason he was able to break free, this could be because of his own strength, Aokiji not putting full effort or even possibly Doffy using conq. to get out though that one seems least likely. We then also have Luffy showing to be able to break free of Parasite which iirc no one else was able to do. Also about Parasite, nowhere was it said Doffy's strings had varying levels of strength so the Bridcage strings were as strong as Parasite strings for what it's worth and no one was able to cut them. So Aokiji probably could hit Luffy with Ice Age and freeze him quick, but, I feel you can make a case there's a chance Luffy could escape that since he was able to snap strings that Zoro and Fujitora were both unable to cut.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I took the discussion as could an Admiral do like Kaido and end the fight against Luffy in and with a single connected attack. Maybe I was being too literal? But in that sense I don't think Kizaru would be able to land a laser shot to the heart or brain in the first attack and I don't think he has an attack comparable to Kaidou's strength to KO Luffy with a single hit.

I'm guessing a point-blank explosion kick could do it, but that's mostly off of portrayal of Admirals and Emperors being on the same level.

Granted one is light and the other is a top tier but why are you sure they can do the same things Kaido can? Kaido was said to be a unique case in 1v1's now I know that doesn't make him the fastest or strongest character but I wouldn't say just because he can do something against a particular guy and they are close him they could do it against that guy too, that's bordering abc logic.

Because Kaido's speed hasn't been noted to be particular in any way to him, so I'm powerscaling based on Emperors and Admirals being on similar levels. I'm well aware that there's still the chance the other Admirals might not be as fast

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm guessing a point-blank explosion kick could do it, but that's mostly off of portrayal of Admirals and Emperors being on the same level.

Hard to say, Luffy's resilient to explosions isn't he? It's a rough one, I don't know if Akainu has the speed for sure to keep up with G2 or 4 but I think he would have the power on the other hand I feel Kizaru does have the speed but probably not the oomph he'd need.

Because Kaido's speed hasn't been noted to be particular in any way to him, so I'm powerscaling based on Emperors and Admirals being on similar levels. I'm well aware that there's still the chance the other Admirals might not be as fast

Gotchya, makes sense

 

[arv993]

I'm talking about the attack landing...

Yes a critical attack from many characters to the head or heart will kill luffy. This includes ppl like katakuri, law or zoro. Landing the hit with ease is unlikely. If luffy is just stationary and is just going to take attacks then he will die.

 

[Sakazuki]

Yeah that fruit is OP as hell Marco is probably the best defensive Yonko FM there is, and as it stands right now we don’t even know the limitations of his Phoenix DF. He has to have some kind of limit or else he might as well be the strongest character in the series.

Haki

 

[OG sama]

Haki

Yeah we saw that Haki can bypass his regen to some extent because of Garp. But then that doesn’t really make Marco different from a logia... except that he can heal afterwards from any attack. I hope we see Marco in action so we can better understand his fruit.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Haki

Yeah we saw that Haki can bypass his regen to some extent because of Garp. But then that doesn’t really make Marco different from a logia... except that he can heal afterwards from any attack. I hope we see Marco in action so we can better understand his fruit.

Even with Haki he'd still come back unless seastone was touching him whereas a regular logia coul be killed with haki the phoenix would restore Marco from even a kill shot at least based on the hype of his animal.

 

[cryhwks]

The problem is all current power levels are so much stronger than they were in Marineford.
Think about Whitebeard and think about how much weaker he seems in comparison to Kaido and BM. I think that both current Kaido and BM could have taken all 3 Marineford Admirals by themselves.
Now people will say "He was old and sick" OK but think about how much weaker Marco seems in comparison to Katakuri. Both the strongest guy's an Emperor had and Katakuri is clearly a million times stronger then Marineford Marco.

So I think current Luffy could fight any of the 3 Marineford Admirals one on one. Maybe not defeat them? But it would be a very tough fight for any of the 3 Admirals.

But we honestly just haven't seen enough of the current Admirals to see how Oda has power scaled them?

 

[Sakazuki]

Even with Haki he'd still come back unless seastone was touching him whereas a regular logia coul be killed with haki the phoenix would restore Marco from even a kill shot at least based on the hype of his animal.

No he wouldn't.

 

[chopstickchakra]

No he wouldn't.

That's the nature of his fruit, prove otherwise because you're arguing with what a phoenix is. Marco is a zoan, i.e becomes a Phoenix. Will have to double check but pretty sure Kizaru hit him in fatal spots with his lasers. And Marco's not like a logia, the attacks don't pass through him, he takes the damage and heals almost instantaneously, it takes a big hit like those from Garp to strain his regen. Unless Oda says otherwise he has all properties of a Phoenix.

 

[Strict]

The Logia trio for sure. It will be even worse than in Kaido's case. Akainu blows of Luffy's head, Aokiji freezes and shatters him and Kizaru will likewise blow off his head with Yasakani no Magatama.

 

[Sakazuki]

That's the nature of his fruit, prove otherwise because you're arguing with what a phoenix is. Marco is a zoan, i.e becomes a Phoenix. Will have to double check but pretty sure Kizaru hit him in fatal spots with his lasers. And Marco's not like a logia, the attacks don't pass through him, he takes the damage and heals almost instantaneously, it takes a big hit like those from Garp to strain his regen. Unless Oda says otherwise he has all properties of a Phoenix.

If he is killed by a haki base attack he's done. No coming back. No healing.

 

[chopstickchakra]

If he is killed by a haki base attack he's done. No coming back. No healing.

That's an unsubstantiated opinion that is in complete contrast to the traits of his specific animal. Without seastone on him to stop his fruit I don't think that's accurate but we'll see if and when he dies.

 

[cryhwks]

I don't think Oda is going to make The Admirals, or Sakazuki and Kuzan that close to an Emperors strength. Even with a upscale of their Marineford levels.

The reason why I think this is because the Admiral's and Sakazuki are not going to be the strongest guy's the WG/Marines have anymore.

The Elders are mostly certainly stronger than them, and there's the im person.

And them still being that much stronger then Luffy at this point would mean that the time skip was kinda pointless.

And if they were equal to an Emperor? It wouldn't be believable that Marines haven't defeated all of them by now.

 

[Sakazuki]

I don't think Oda is going to make The Admirals, or Sakazuki and Kuzan that close to an Emperors strength. Even with a upscale of their Marineford levels.

The reason why I think this is because the Admiral's and Sakazuki are not going to be the strongest guy's the WG/Marines have anymore.

The Elders are mostly certainly stronger than them, and there's the im person.

And them still being that much stronger then Luffy at this point would mean that the time skip was kinda pointless.

And if they were equal to an Emperor? It wouldn't be believable that Marines haven't defeated all of them by now.

The Marines can't defeat them, even if the Marines we're twice as strong as them, it would distrupt the balance. Do you read op?

Also Oda said if the mc was akainu he would put an end to one piece in under a year. He also said akainus df is the most destructive df of them all. He also tanked two haki enhance gura punches (and whitebeard strength wasn't weakened) he stalemated the world's strongest attack with a lava fist, and proceeded to take on all 16 of whitebeards commanders and be victorious. Yeah tell me akainu isn't on yonko level