luffy does have better stamina but i legit just told you he took like 20 more hits from katakuri in a weakened state right after luffy got stabbed, so all those hits hurt him more so than normal. all of those hits would take more of a toll on luffy or at the very least equal the damage that katakuri took but it leans more in the favor of katakuri if anything. So again reread the manga while trying to be objective b4 making an argument.
What invalidates this argument is that Katakuri would have been able to land those hits anyways. It's likely that Katakuri would have been able to land the hit with the trident on Luffy, or something equivalent(considering he still hadn't used Power Mochi, Peerless Donuts,Square Mochi, Grilled Mochi, or Sliced Mochi, any of which would have dealt serious damage to Luffy while he was unable to enter Gear Fourth to achieve the same effect). It's unlikely that Luffy would have been able to land the same amount of damage on Katakuri at one time that Katakuri landed on himself.
no he wasnt going to land most of those hits. read the manga dude i even gave you the chapter. he was saying luffy was getting as good of obsv haki as himself. Also when you keep hitting on a wound that gives even more residual damage so you are not even taking that into account, kata repeatedly hit luffy when he got a free hit on him so luffy actually received more damage than kata. Kata never hit luffy with a trident after that so we cannot predict that would happen anyway and even kata was shocked how luffy carelessly took that hit to his vital organs, now you full on speculating since kata himself wasnt expecting to get a vital hit like that. Anyways your whole claim of the luffy's damage vs kata's damage has completely been refuted. All of your arguments show me you are not reading the manga and just playing shoulda coulda woulda with heavy bias towards one character and disregarding the manga and kata's statements itself.
I don't recall him ever saying Luffy was reaching his level of Observation Haki, just that he was starting to see the future and it was happening inconsistently.
This just makes it worse for Luffy as that means the residual damage he dealt from Katakuri's self-inflicted wound wouldn't be there, while Katakuri is more than likely able to replicate that same wound on Luffy with or without Flambe's help.
He's not limited to just the trident though. He has moves that are much stronger than his blow with the trident, so that damage can still be replicated. And even if we attribute that kind of damage to only being effective via a trident wound, Katakuri would just need to hit him with the same speed he used to keep up with Snake Man. Or the speed he used to hit him with Power Mochi and the multiple of other melee blows he hit Luffy with.
Lmaooooo okay sure.
chapter 892 page 15 is where kata says it. if he was leagues ahead why didnt he stomp right then and there and why was he having trouble hitting him with decisive hits. He couldnt pin luffy down once his obsv haki was improving. again luffy would have gotten solid hits in snakeman and he wouldve had more stamina if not for a hit to his vital organs and subsequent free hits kata got from it.
Okay that point's conceded then. As for why he didn't stomp and had trouble hitting them, that's just inconsistent writing. Katakuri was fast enough to blitz Luffy in Gear 2 and base, and was on par with his speed with Snake Man and land blows on that form(Luffy's fastest), so to say that it's impossible for him to hit with the trident when he's thrusting it with the same speed and power he's using to thrust the blows he lands cleanly/directly on Luffy is asinine.
Except he tagged Luffy many times after Luffy's Observation increased. Luffy was also able to dodge and avoid Katakuri's blows before his Observation Haki increased. Luffy's Observation Haki sporadically allowing him to see the future didn't actually impact the fight. It affected very small moments, yes, but overall, the fight between Luffy and Katakuri doesn't look any different after the improvement than before, since panels of Luffy dodging and getting barreled can be found in both halves of the fight.
I'm not disagreeing with that. What I am saying is that Katakuri wouldn't have passed out during his fight with Luffy without the damage of his own stab PLUS the damage Luffy dealt with his own blows. On the other hand, Luffy wouldn't have passed out with the damage that came from the stab plus the rest of the damage Katakuri dealt.
It's the exact same stab. It's the exact same damage to both of them. It wouldn't make any sense for Katakuri to stab himself with less impact than the impact that stabbed Luffy because that would defeat the point of stabbing himself.
That wasn't Katakuri being shocked, that was Katakuri piecing together in his head what happened, and realizing that he landed a critical blow because Flambe interfered. Which is a blow Katakuri is well within the capacity of delivering without Flambe's help, since he was preventing Luffy from going Gear Fourth, had more powerful moves than the stab in his belt, and the speed to keep up with Luffy's fastest form.
Snake Man's blows are even weaker than Boundman's which is arguably weaker than Katakuri's power-heavy blows. While they are stronger than Katakuri's trident stab, it's those blows PLUS Katakuri stabbing himself that caused him to pass out.
My argument hasn't changed once since we started this debate.
no it was weird but oda consistently has shown that once luffy got better obsv haki, kata had a tough time pinning him down even though he was in base mode. when he went snake mode they both were fighting extremely cqc type battle and traded blows with each other where luffy got the best of kata eventually.
Actually ace is a stamina beast He has one of the best stamina feats in the series (well more so statement) he fought jinbe for 5 days straight (so in terms of being a stamina beast he's up there with jack and the dukes etc)
They only had breaks because of their dumb decision not to be near one another.. But they each basically fought for 2 and a half days .. Still a stamina beast better a lot of people who are viewed as stronger then them and that's not to say that they can't fight for 5 days straight
No he didn't. He was aiming to do so, but Jinbei interfered and as a result, the magma spilled onto Luffy's chest and that caused the scar. Akainu himself said that if Jinbei hadn't moved Luffy's body and the blow had went through his heart like he planned, Luffy would have died instantly and painlessly.
Yes, I remember when Luffy had his internal organs blown by Akainu (multiple times) and Kizaru, frozen by Kuzan, 267 sword stab wounds and half of his head blasted off. All while still performing at a Top Level. Luffy got his head rocked once by Kaido. Meanwhile Kaido is crying about what WB did to him in their bouts, 2 years after. Implying he wasn't one to put down easy.
You're confused between durability and endurance; WB can endure damage, in other words, he shrugs off hits. However, he's not a tank (durability) because mere things like swords and bullets were running through him easily. Base Luffy was tanking Kizaru's lasers (that ran through WB), and at Gear 4 was tanking Doffy's strings, which can cut large hills (mind you Luffy is weak to cutting/piercing damage). Also, Kaido's brute strength is far above all of the examples you mentioned. Kaido never cried about what WB did to him, you pulled that out of your ass. It's nowhere mentioned in the manga.
Whitebeard definitely would've done some things to him though.
