[Discussion] Can an Admiral one shot Luffy?

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Yup. Akainu can blow a hole in him, and boasts the highest offensive power among DFs. Aokiji can freeze him and likely keep him frozen or break him apart. Kizaru could shoot him in the face. All of them have the potential to do so.
 

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No,
If you have seen fujitora fight i think luffy is capable of handling admiral attacks compared to pre time skip.

I will take it luffy still long way to win a fight admiral one on one for now. He still needs to.master his G4 properly which i think we already saw je barely beats katakuri so there is no way hed can fight against admiral with that power.

Oda still needs to work out on G4 longetivity here , luffy cannot fighTV in this form for long hours thats why he needed nami's help to beat cracker.

I would explore luffy either improving his G4 forms or come up with awakening seriously at thiSC moment oda hasnt explored luffys awakening powers. I dunno what potential gomu gomu fruit has with that powers. Who will teach luffy awakening in wano ? Sounds ridiculous but he needs all this requirement if he want to take on a yonko seriously.
 

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No,
If you have seen fujitora fight i think luffy is capable of handling admiral attacks compared to pre time skip.

I will take it luffy still long way to win a fight admiral one on one for now. He still needs to.master his G4 properly which i think we already saw je barely beats katakuri so there is no way hed can fight against admiral with that power.

Oda still needs to work out on G4 longetivity here , luffy cannot fighTV in this form for long hours thats why he needed nami's help to beat cracker.

I would explore luffy either improving his G4 forms or come up with awakening seriously at thiSC moment oda hasnt explored luffys awakening powers. I dunno what potential gomu gomu fruit has with that powers. Who will teach luffy awakening in wano ? Sounds ridiculous but he needs all this requirement if he want to take on a yonko seriously.
Fuji didn't fight him seriously I am so tired of this. Come on people use your brains he has gravity... He could've easily used it on Luffy body instead of rubble stop it. Kizaru would one shot currently Luffy sanji and Zoro at the same damn time same with akoiji and akainu -.-
 

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Fuji didn't fight him seriously I am so tired of this. Come on people use your brains he has gravity... He could've easily used it on Luffy body instead of rubble stop it. Kizaru would one shot currently Luffy sanji and Zoro at the same damn time same with akoiji and akainu -.-
I agree but if admiral or yonko or on another level then where does luffy stands thats my question. We are already into 70 percent of manga and luffy still gets one shot easily. What did he learn from rayleigh exactly either i see rayleigh realised he cannot teach luffy haki through normal way but he learns through experience.

Maybe you have point regarding fujitora fight he could have easily beaten luffy. At prsent we still dunno the difference in level between yonko/ admiral with respect to yonko commander and when will luffy catch up?
 

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I agree but if admiral or yonko or on another level then where does luffy stands thats my question. We are already into 70 percent of manga and luffy still gets one shot easily. What did he learn from rayleigh exactly either i see rayleigh realised he cannot teach luffy haki through normal way but he learns through experience.

Maybe you have point regarding fujitora fight he could have easily beaten luffy. At prsent we still dunno the difference in level between yonko/ admiral with respect to yonko commander and when will luffy catch up?
I mean if you think about it he's a teenager these people have been protecting (referring to admirals) or taking over (referring to yonko) the world. Anything that the dark king taught him doesn't matter (until he applies it to himself fully) because they should already know it.

I mean look at the time skip aside from hordy and Cesar who has Luffy defeated 1v1

Doffy? No law + 1000 citizens + viola helped in that fight plus he literally needed to be tagged out

Cracker literally needed nami to make the biscuits stronger to eat and continuesly replenish enerygg for all of those hours


For Katakuri oda had the man injure himself (off of bullshit pride.. after taunting him majority of the fight) just for him to be able to keep up


Oda is showing us in reality Luffy needs help.. not just from crew from others. There is nothing wrong with that I mean look who they are competing with (he's not fodder he's just to arrogant and not aware of the concquences his actions has).

Luffy will eventually realize this and hopefully think more clearly I just hope it's not at the cost of someone else (insert member of the crew) life

But Luffy will become the pirate king for one reason and one reason only. that reason is Robin .as long as he can protect her she will make him king
 

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I mean if you think about it he's a teenager these people have been protecting (referring to admirals) or taking over (referring to yonko) the world. Anything that the dark king taught him doesn't matter (until he applies it to himself fully) because they should already know it.

I mean look at the time skip aside from hordy and Cesar who has Luffy defeated 1v1

Doffy? No law + 1000 citizens + viola helped in that fight plus he literally needed to be tagged out

Cracker literally needed nami to make the biscuits stronger to eat and continuesly replenish enerygg for all of those hours


For Katakuri oda had the man injure himself (off of bullshit pride.. after taunting him majority of the fight) just for him to be able to keep up


Oda is showing us in reality Luffy needs help.. not just from crew from others. There is nothing wrong with that I mean look who they are competing with (he's not fodder he's just to arrogant and not aware of the concquences his actions has).

Luffy will eventually realize this and hopefully think more clearly I just hope it's not at the cost of someone else (insert member of the crew) life

But Luffy will become the pirate king for one reason and one reason only. that reason is Robin .as long as he can protect her she will make him king
I def think oda doesnt want powering up luffy heads in wrong way same mistake was in naruto he literally became jesus by end of the arc. Its good luffy is getting help from others him making alliance is one of the key reasons he will become pirate king.

Chinjao asked this question "what kind of kings do you want to become " this should answer much luffy ability to create allies is very dangerous thing for both yonko or wg.

Im sama actually has realised this was happening and that could crumvle wg he has been running behind the scene.

I think robin will be the key for luffy to be pirate king but we forgot luffy has " voice of all things " as well so yet to see will he able to utilize it some way in this arc OK dunno.

I still luffy + grand fleet +other supernovva fighting kaido . I too dont see luffy taking on one on one against big guns right atm.
 

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Fuji didn't fight him seriously I am so tired of this. Come on people use your brains he has gravity... He could've easily used it on Luffy body instead of rubble stop it. Kizaru would one shot currently Luffy sanji and Zoro at the same damn time same with akoiji and akainu -.-
hes not one shotting dude. luffy was also injured and didnt even use G4. fuji has not shown the capability to oneshot someone like luffy. luffy has fought ppl with large area attacks like doffy. hes gonna lose but not get one shot. no way is kizaru one shotting luffy, G4 luffy is not some chump hes faster than doffy with insane obsv haki, its like saying katakuri or doffy will get one shotted who luffy went to high diff battles with. kizaru couldnt put down a yonko fm in marco and he wasnt going to one shot ben backam who he respected, so katakuri shouldnt go down in the same way.

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I mean if you think about it he's a teenager these people have been protecting (referring to admirals) or taking over (referring to yonko) the world. Anything that the dark king taught him doesn't matter (until he applies it to himself fully) because they should already know it.

I mean look at the time skip aside from hordy and Cesar who has Luffy defeated 1v1

Doffy? No law + 1000 citizens + viola helped in that fight plus he literally needed to be tagged out

Cracker literally needed nami to make the biscuits stronger to eat and continuesly replenish enerygg for all of those hours


For Katakuri oda had the man injure himself (off of bullshit pride.. after taunting him majority of the fight) just for him to be able to keep up


Oda is showing us in reality Luffy needs help.. not just from crew from others. There is nothing wrong with that I mean look who they are competing with (he's not fodder he's just to arrogant and not aware of the concquences his actions has).

Luffy will eventually realize this and hopefully think more clearly I just hope it's not at the cost of someone else (insert member of the crew) life

But Luffy will become the pirate king for one reason and one reason only. that reason is Robin .as long as he can protect her she will make him king
katakuri also got a free hit on luffy because of his sister, so no it wasnt katakuri injuring himself for no reason. But in a fair 1v1 luffy would lose because he needed brulee. but regardless with his improved obsv haki he is very close to katakuri/yonko fm level.
 
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katakuri also got a free hit on luffy because of his sister, so no it wasnt katakuri injuring himself for no reason. But in a fair 1v1 luffy would lose because he needed brulee. but regardless with his improved obsv haki he is very close to katakuri/yonko fm level.
Katakuri stabbing himself isn't really the same as Luffy getting stabbed by Luffy as a result of the bumblebee-butt kid since they have a clear difference of stamina.

I'm gonna use these rough numbers to illustrate what I mean: If Katakuri has a health of 200, then Luffy would have like 400 health due to obviously having much higher stamina than Katakuri. On the other hand, while Luffy at max can do like 35 damage per blow at his best(Boundman) and 15 with Snakeman, Katakuri can do much higher more consistently, able to chunk off 50 per hit with his biggest attacks. If Katakuri is at 150 and Luffy's at 250 by the time Katakuri hits them both with the trident(with Luffy taking way more damage than Katakuri has so far but with a higher level of stamina), then the stab is gonna affect them differently. Katakuri hiting Luffy with the trident in critical spots for 40 damage, Luffy is gonna drop to 210, but Katakuri getting hit by it is gonna drop to 140.

At that point, Katakuri and Luffy would have both dropped to half of their health, with Katakuri having a much smaller health pool than Luffy. We've seen that how being in a poor state of stamina can affect your combat ability with WB and Doflamingo alike, and Katakuri doesn't take damage as well as Luffy does, so the edge Katakuri has is gonna drop exponentially.

If the sister never interfered the fight, Katakuri wouldn't have hit Luffy at that moment and wouldn't have injured himself either. But chances are, Katakuri would be able to eventually damage Luffy that badly anyways, way before Luffy would have a chance to take that much out of Katakuri all at once. The chances of Katakuri and Luffy both ending up in that stage where Katakuri loses that much of his edge isn't as high as the chances of Katakuri hitting Luffy with that kind of damage without being hit by that much damage himself.

Like I said, these are just rough numbers, and I'm not saying this is exactly how it'd go, just that it's feasible that without Flambe's(yes, I remembered her name only at this point), Luffy and Katakuri wouldn't end up in the same situation as the manga, and how Katakuri damaging himself even while Luffy is damaged could lead to him losing his edge.
 

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Nope. I'm conflicted on whether Akainu could though. It seems like he could oneshot Luffy imo, but the problem is that his attacks don't come off as casual to me. Nothing says passionate like punching fiery holes through the people you hate.
 

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Katakuri stabbing himself isn't really the same as Luffy getting stabbed by Luffy as a result of the bumblebee-butt kid since they have a clear difference of stamina.

I'm gonna use these rough numbers to illustrate what I mean: If Katakuri has a health of 200, then Luffy would have like 400 health due to obviously having much higher stamina than Katakuri. On the other hand, while Luffy at max can do like 35 damage per blow at his best(Boundman) and 15 with Snakeman, Katakuri can do much higher more consistently, able to chunk off 50 per hit with his biggest attacks. If Katakuri is at 150 and Luffy's at 250 by the time Katakuri hits them both with the trident(with Luffy taking way more damage than Katakuri has so far but with a higher level of stamina), then the stab is gonna affect them differently. Katakuri hiting Luffy with the trident in critical spots for 40 damage, Luffy is gonna drop to 210, but Katakuri getting hit by it is gonna drop to 140.

At that point, Katakuri and Luffy would have both dropped to half of their health, with Katakuri having a much smaller health pool than Luffy. We've seen that how being in a poor state of stamina can affect your combat ability with WB and Doflamingo alike, and Katakuri doesn't take damage as well as Luffy does, so the edge Katakuri has is gonna drop exponentially.

If the sister never interfered the fight, Katakuri wouldn't have hit Luffy at that moment and wouldn't have injured himself either. But chances are, Katakuri would be able to eventually damage Luffy that badly anyways, way before Luffy would have a chance to take that much out of Katakuri all at once. The chances of Katakuri and Luffy both ending up in that stage where Katakuri loses that much of his edge isn't as high as the chances of Katakuri hitting Luffy with that kind of damage without being hit by that much damage himself.

Like I said, these are just rough numbers, and I'm not saying this is exactly how it'd go, just that it's feasible that without Flambe's(yes, I remembered her name only at this point), Luffy and Katakuri wouldn't end up in the same situation as the manga, and how Katakuri damaging himself even while Luffy is damaged could lead to him losing his edge.
Luffy also received additional punches after he took that hit also so he was getting additional injuries right after he was weakened so all those additional hits kata got were severely lowering luffys stamina. Where as after katakuri got hit, they both squared off fairly. You can’t quantify exactly how much each of those hits took out of luffy but it’s safe to say it’s comparable.

Also luffy used brûlée so Luffy wasn’t at that point winning that fight, that’s more of an indicator than the flambé injury vs kata’s Self injury. The bigger point is luffy developed better observation haki and in a rematch would fare way better as he won’t take nearly as much damage as he initially did. He is around katakuris level currently which is the point I was making. at whole cake he wasn’t, he was learning and improving and had brûlée to help him escape.

And on a side note its funny how you are making a one sided argument here saying that luffy has better stamina etc and doing anime math to justify your reasoning. And blatantly ignore some of the hits luffy took after getting stabbed which evens out the damage kata took. Yet for wb vs akainu is totally fair, hits from squardo to kizaru to many marines don’t bring down wb’s stamina Lol. Stop fanboying and bring real arguments to the base sometime.
 
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Luffy also received additional punches after he took that hit also so he was getting additional injuries right after he was weakened so all those additional hits kata got were severely lowering luffys stamina. Where as after katakuri got hit, they both squared off fairly. You can’t quantify exactly how much each of those hits took out of luffy but it’s safe to say it’s comparable.

Also luffy used brûlée so Luffy wasn’t at that point winning that fight, that’s more of an indicator than the flambé injury vs kata’s Self injury. The bigger point is luffy developed better observation haki and in a rematch would fare way better as he won’t take nearly as much damage as he initially did. He is around katakuris level currently which is the point I was making. at whole cake he wasn’t, he was learning and improving and had brûlée to help him escape.

And on a side note its funny how you are making a one sided argument here saying that luffy has better stamina etc and doing anime math to justify your reasoning. And blatantly ignore some of the hits luffy took after getting stabbed which evens out the damage kata took. Yet for wb vs akainu is totally fair, hits from squardo to kizaru to many marines don’t bring down wb’s stamina Lol. Stop fanboying and bring real arguments to the base sometime.
I said those are rough numbers to illustrate how the stab can affect them differently, despite being the same injury, genius.

Luffy having better stamina isn't an "anime speculation," it's demonstrated fact. He takes more hits from Katakuri than Katakuri takes from him, and Katakuri is dishing out bigger blows than Luffy at that too. And they still passed out at the same time. The only logical conclusion is that Katakuri's stamina isn't as high, something reinforced by it being noted that people who avoid taking damage in fights(Ace and Caribou) are notably worse at taking hits than people who do.
 
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