I'm dismissing the notion that because Zoro's AOE was bigger, he's stronger than Sanji. Do you not know what a Devil's Advocate is?
*CinemaSins voice* What?
*Sigh*
A guy who is 7'0, 250 lbs of muscle and has a 20 inch waist
Because all buildings everywhere are the same size. Looking at Jinbei and Snaji to Wadatsumi and comparing it to Zoro to Pica is the best scale we could use.
The things is the picture where you previously compared zoro to pica where pica was cut in half, there was a building of the same size as zoro along picas waist, it was 3 stories big, I think with the exception of the tontattasthere are no 3 story building smaller than jinbei. So clearly zoros size was off in that scan. It was likely that zoro was only drawn that big so that the reader wouldn't wonder where he was.
You went wrong at the second sentence. Luffy does train. For one, when asked why Luffy never gains weight with all the food he eats, Oda replied with it'd be impossible for Luffy to get out of shape with the all the exercise he does. When Luffy was separated from the Strawhats, the first thing he thought was "I better train while I search for them," his method of choice being walking on his arms the entire time so he would get stronger.
The world's strongest man's goal was to have a family. That alone shatters the notion that "I WANNA BE THE STRONGEST" means you're gonna be stronger than someone whose goal revolves around adventure or exploring. Correlation? Sure. But correlation doesn't equal causation. Nothing suggests the M3 aren't an exception to this correlation.
I'd love to see the equation you use to calculate "potential" since you seem to have a set, quantity of Sanji's.
Not really.
Don't get me started on this first mate bullshit again.
Bro you have too much time on your hands; Zoro is a tier above Sanji and will always be.
You forgot about Vergo. Comparatively speaking the man is closer in contention to Zoro & would be a more suitable opponent. Yet, he cracked Sanji's bones in a scuffle.
True but both Luffy and Zoro via the measure of strength were capable of pushing said Admiral several meters back albeit you might argue that Fuji wasn't either fully serious/defensively cautious. Bear in mind Zoro had to overcome gravity the same one that held Law in place. On a tangent I know Law is not respected as a physical behemoth but do bear in mind he did show he could block/parry & hold DD to a stand still in physical confrontation.
Nope. Fujitora and Doflamingo are not on similar levels.
Can the same be said for Sanji? The proof of evidence is whether or not Sanji can compete to his fellow M3 compatriots not the other way round. My claim is that while he can, he isn't at their level.
Training is not Luffy's priority. It is the order of business when there is nothing left to do shown by the example you listed there. Exercise is anything that requires physical effort. Whenever we see him running around the Sunny, playing with Usopp and the general active lifestyle he leads he is exercising. Couple this with his extensive battle history and you have a solid answer. On the other hand we have Zoro engaging in sustained taxing sometimes strenuous activities all in a bid to maintain and improve his threshold.
Once again I explained leveling is an attributable to fighting/training. Every single skill he's demonstrated including by and large Zoro's Pound Ho's and Luffy's gears were the results of battle. They acquired know how on the execution of the move at the end or specific points in time and whenever they perform them it is 1st time execution. Each and every time SH have shown a new power this is the format that has been used to explain them. They didn't train rather they unlock the ability as a consequence of past events. M3 didn't go about prior to EL training in Gears, Asura or DJ. Therefore, you cannot go and say he trains at a certain time because his skills are sharp. Lastly, Oda has expressed what the SH do between journeys in SBS and guess what Sanji's wasn't training.
I state and continue to stand by it "Ones goal doesn't determine their overall power. Rather its the challenges they have to overcome in order to acquire it." Old WB had the talent, inherent potential of a natural conqueror and an DF ability classed as the strongest and comparable to an Ancient Weapon. He didn't not just want a family but have the strength to protect said family which garnered him a reputation on the seas.
Its not an equation. Its an examination of the portrayal & relating their feats of characters across the series and can come with a relatively subjective/objective measure depending on which end of the table you are on. Its through that medium you can determine power scaling. The next section you examine the relevance of said character and his role in the universe. A good number of people consider BB might come close if not surpass Rodger/Prime WB. Why? Simple they estimate that as a shounen OP's young gen passes the new. So it follows we speculate what each of these individuals are supposed to mean. Then it follows we examine who Luffy and Zoro are supposed to be reincarnations of and what these individuals meant in the series. I explained this before Zoro carries the portrayals of two men & shares aspect with each. Now do the same for Sanji and tell me your own interpretation.
In EB saga Zoro and Luffy were thought nigh equals in terms of certain attributes. In the first GL saga's Luffy pulled ahead to the point where it was widely believed Sanji and Zoro were close in terms of their level. However, we had Skypeia arc when Zoro's gained the upper notch and slowly pulled ahead with each victory. Come the EL arc the jumps were there. Post TS two were take in by the two of the best in their era and imparted with knowledge. Feat wise we know where they stand. Once more where does Sanji compare in the equation.
What selective ability you have? Is Franky not a Shipwright? There are only 2 SH whose sole purpose on the crew depends on the level of strength they have. Luffy and Zoro. For this reason the story dictates just as Nami shines when she gloriously predicts the weather or Franky comes with new inventions or Sanji makes a quick buritto. Both Luffy and Zoro will get their due. Thus, we see Luffy performing well across the board in base & his 3 gears. Similarly, Zoro has been effortlessly demolishing his opponents and even when faced with an upheaval doing just enough to paint him in a better light. The M3 are the muscle as their collective strength or as individuals would/could/can trump the fighting threat of the members whether it be in single combat of in trios (Mid and Weak). The metamorphosis of the crew took place only after MF when Luffy's loss became a burden shared across members of the crew and we had a TS. Only then did their combative nature become just as important as their main ability. However, ever since Zoro jumped to stop seven marines from slashing Luffy as he confronted Helmeppo until the day Zoro's split Pica both captain and first mate have been reputed as monsters. Zoro is the only other SH whom 3 parties question as to why he is Luffy's underling.
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Zorp's feats do not differ from sanji's that much aside from his CoA feats which sanji has yet to shown. As for luffy, he is the main character of the story and his captain, sanji will surely not be as strong. As for law, I agree, though that doesn't mean that all of them are stronger just because law happened to be, I mean him having the ultimate devil fruit sure does contribute to that strength
Well, he didn't do it alone, it was with his crew meaning another super nova+a ship+kidd>2 ships that are full of big mom's fodders(they are fodders until proven otherwise)
cool, how does that put him above sanji again?
Sure sanji and the rest of the strawhats are too, but no let's just ignore them and hop on the supernova
Still nothing suggesting he is above sanji
Yeah would you mind showing me those "better showings" my man?
Good, agreed.
So having a family gave WB enough challenges to become the world's strongest?:lol
If anything, it's the dude who has no devil fruit and does not regularly train and yet can trash the floor with alot of strong enemies including the supernova that has potential
Not really, it was only after the timeskip that the power levels between the M3 had expanded. I mean sure if having a dream is what you people call "portrayal" then yeah zoro has a more combat based one, but sadly sanji's part of the story is equally significant to that of zoro or in fact any other strawhat. Death is the best equalizer and so is a great way to test this, if we were to kill one of the strawhats, their role of the story would definitely hold as much space as any other.
all of the strawhats are supposed to, otherwise they would have left all of the fighting to the so called "Blade"
Honestly, Usopp has a better chance of being a FM than any other member and that is simply because he told luffy that he would take over if he were to ever to abandon his responsibility, that added to the fact that luffy finds him to be his closet friend rather than a crewmate, and honestly, those parallels that people are coming up with need to stop, zoro wants to surpass mihawk, he doesn;t want to be him. Luffy on the other hand, wants to be like roger by being the pirate king, there's a huge difference, luffy and roger share a lot of things and were even plainly shown in the manga to be the same , zoro and mihawk however were not. As for Rayleigh, yeah maybe I could definitely see it.
Read more carefully. He said he was joking about all the times he said he was captain of the crew to strangers to look tougher.
Kuzan's hands being in his pocket means absolutely nothing. His ice is gonna be the same whether he gestures towards you. You're looking at superfluous details like his hands being in his pocket rather than the actual scale of the attack. The ice Kuzan used on Doffy was in greater scale than what he used on Jozu, so it wasn't some throwaway casual attack either.
While I agree that Fuji>doffy
