Transgender Woman Sent Back To Male Prison Despite Appeal

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I actually don't care if she's victimized or not. Like I said, regardless of what prison she goes to, there's gonna be danger, so that's irrelevant to me. Plus, she's a criminal that hurt people. The only thing about this that's relevant to me is her status as a male-to-female transsexual. I think she should be recognized as female and placed in a female prison.

And no, I don't care if you recognize her as a female or whether or not you agree or disagree.
Im not transphobic but is it really nessacary that people recognize someone as something they are not.
He can't give birth,have menstrual cycles,menopause etc and go through the same strife biological woman do, he in no point of timr would be born in a society whered hed be discriminated against or have education withheld from him due to being ,he was born living a life that naturally wouldn't know these strifes everyday and historical. You can think whatever you want and really think of yourself as a something different but reality remains the same just like bone structure and past. What im saying is,what if some Mexican kid thought he was supposed to be born black got a racial change operation and ppl thought he should be recognized as black
 

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That IS my reasoning. I don't see why you can't understand that. You dismiss that as invalid, then so be it. But asking me the question over and over again won't change my answer. I don't care that you see it as invalid, so my answer won't change. You've said what you had to say about my answer, so there's no need to keep asking the same question.

I'm not basing my view on the matter on the scientific basis that she's biologically a man because human beings have evolved past such narrow-minded thinking. There are times when we go "Okay, this is what scientifically is, we can't go around that." I don't view this as one of those times.
Aint no narrow minded thinking
The basis of female is in anatomy and chromosomes at birth!
 

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She gonna be picking up lots of soap

Legally she's a male and that's all that counts here. Not sure why people are saying she should be in a female prison when she's legally a fukin male. Damn, people always try to act like they moral gods or some shit.
 
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When you're incapable of arguing properly but still wanna feel like you're an actual part of the conversation
The only thing about this that's relevant to me is her status as a male-to-female transsexual. I think she should be recognized as female and placed in a female prison.

And no, I don't care if you recognize her as a female or whether or not you agree or disagree.
So what's to argue?
 

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mfw we've been able to argue about that.

Try to keep up
You want me to argue with you as to why you don't care about if I recognize him/her as a her? I'll pass.

There's nothing to keep up with. She's legally a dude so he'll be in a male prison until the SJW's and white knights break him/her out.
 

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We're arguing about whether or not she brings significant danger to the fellow inmates and whether biologically being a man is the deciding factor.
The only thing about this that's relevant to me is her status as a male-to-female transsexual.
How are we arguing whether she brings significant danger to fellow inmates and whether biologically being a dude is the deciding factor if the only thing relevant about this(to you) is her status as a male-to-female tranny?


I said this prior to this reply:

You're being nonsensical. You'll send this dude to a female prison to victimize people, but won't send him to a male prison to be victimized? I don't think either is necessarily right but there is no middle ground.
He/she is legally a man and belongs in a man prison until broken out by the SJWs and white knights. It's really all that simple and I don't see what the argument is.
 

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How are we arguing whether she brings significant danger to fellow inmates and whether biologically being a dude is the deciding factor if the only thing relevant about this(to you) is her status as a male-to-female tranny?
She shouldn't be in a female prison because she can potentially put the others in danger, but there is always
danger in either prison and she probably couldn't do any damage a good amount of the other couldn't/ isn't
much different from the typical threat in the female prison.
Because she can't impregnate any of the women in there it's suiting.

There is no prison where someone isn't victimized because both prisons offer dangerous offenders
and she couldn't create any more damage in the male prison than the other males can.
Because she can't get impregnated and is legally a man, who also has remnants, and is thus
more male than female, should goto the male prison.

2k20 We're allowing infertile men with big plastic booties they asked for to goto female prisons.
 

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How are we arguing whether she brings significant danger to fellow inmates and whether biologically being a dude is the deciding factor if the only thing relevant about this(to you) is her status as a male-to-female tranny?


I said this prior to this reply:



He/she is legally a man and belongs in a man prison until broken out by the SJWs and white knights. It's really all that simple and I don't see what the argument is.
I said that's the only thing relevant to me when someone accused me of caring whether or not she gets victimized. As in, my outlook on the matter was determined by her status as a male-to-female transsexual, not whether or not she's safer.

We're arguing about whether or not she poses a danger because someone else brought that up as a reason she shouldn't be sent to a female prison, which I disagree with. Same for the biological argument.
 

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Well for one, she doesn't pose anymore of a threat in a women's prison than any other inmate. We may be conflating *** and gender in this thread.

*** refers to the biological and physiological characteristics, while gender refers to behaviors, roles, expectations, and activities in society.

She identifies as a woman, has undergone the surgical procedures, takes hormones, dresses like a woman, and therefore should go to a woman's prison as her gender is that of a female.
 

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She shouldn't be in a female prison because she can potentially put the others in danger, but there is always
danger in either prison and she probably couldn't do any damage a good amount of the other couldn't/ isn't
much different from the typical threat in the female prison.
Because she can't impregnate any of the women in there it's suiting.

There is no prison where someone isn't victimized because both prisons offer dangerous offenders
and she couldn't create any more damage in the male prison than the other males can.
Because she can't get impregnated and is legally a man, who also has remnants, and is thus
more male than female, should goto the male prison.

2k20 We're allowing infertile men with big plastic booties they asked for to goto female prisons.
Nice slippery slope fam.
 

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You are saying that because she has the biological physique of a man, he poses a threat to these women because he's biologically stronger than most if not all of them. This argument falls through for two reasons

1. Those women already pose a danger to each other because some of them are violent and ruthless. It's a place with murderers, rapists, gang members, etc. Adding her to the prison doesn't add danger, there is already a lot of danger there. The fact that he poses a danger to the women is irrelevant because danger is already a very dangerous place.
Because a man hitting a woman is the same as a woman hitting a woman..... :lmao:



"Women pose a lower public safety risk than men. Women typically enter the criminal justice system for nonviolent crimes that are often drug and/or property-related. Within correctional facility settings, incidents of violence and aggression committed by incarcerated women are extremely low. Women released from incarceration have lower recidivism rates than their male counterparts; this holds true for rearrests, reconvictions, and returns to correctional facilities with or without new sentences."


So this right here automatically destroys whatever you're speaking about in regards to safety

2. What about women who are biologically stronger than other women? By this logic, the inmates of a prison should be organized and determined by physical strength. A woman who can bench press 100 pounds should not be in the same prison as a woman who can't even lift a dumbbell because she's stronger than her and has a stronger physique if we go by what you're saying. If Rhonda Rhousey committed a murder, she should not be put in a women's prison because she has the physique and strength to beat a grown man's ass by this logic.
Notice how your predilection blinds you to common sense. I've already acknowledged that there are women biologically stronger than others. But the man's average biological and physical makeup surpass that of the average woman. It's already considered morally wrong for some for a man to put his hands on a woman. We see that he can be belligerent so what would that do for some who already consider it to be wrong?


You really need to read it better
I said things LIKE empathy, sympathy, and what's socially correct. I never said using sympathy and empathy for this scenario
You're saying we should limit the handling of this situation on the fact that she is biologically male. I'm saying human beings are smart enough to not have to, and instead handle it based on things like empathy, sympathy, judging the situation socially rather than just using cold hard facts like computers or machines.
Criminals should not be shown sympathy or empathy, actually I disagree, depends on the circumstances. In this situation? She wanted to act like a man and cause harm to someone else so what empathy and sympathy should be shown if the fact is she is a man? Should a man who identifies as a female but doesn't want get a *** change but has a vasectomy, should he go to a female prison if he requests so?

You're not even reading my posts at this point. I fully understand she is biologically a male, and I fully understand that's why she was sent to a male prison. I disagree with the notion that her being biologically a male is the final say in this conversation because human beings have reached a point where that hasn't stopped us before. We've reached a point where we ignored the scientific/biological limitation, and found ways around it simply because we wanted to, and that can be applied here.
So what more is there to argue? You're sitting basically saying even though this Liger roars like a tiger and looks like a tiger than it's a tiger even though biologically it's a Liger. You using the scuba example was a poor comparison and actually supports what I'm explaining to you. Even though we have the scuba gear, we biologically still cannot breathe underwater just like even though he wanted to get a *** change it doesn't take away from the fact that he is biologically still a he. Understand?


Sigh* Oh my god...

I never said she wasn't biologically a male. I said that doesn't have to be the end of the conversation.
We didn't bypass anything and that's what you don't understand. We still cannot breathe underwater biologically just like he didn't get past being a dude.

Eh. After my last encounter with Inanimated, I can't say I'm surprised to see someone to stupid to tell what an analogy is.


They are related because they are both someone playing a role they biologically are not.

"I assume the role of this child's parent even though factually and biologically I am not its parent; despite this I am legally treated the same way this child's biological parent would be treated."

analogous to

"I assume the role of a woman even though factually and biologically I am not a woman; despite this I am legally treated the same way a biological woman would be treated."

I never said these two concepts are the exact same, there are differences. However, all analogies compare two things that have many differences. The point of an analogy is compare a shared principle.
Please don't put me in the same boat with someone that doesn't know what a homophone is. Notice how you fail to see that one has to do with one's mentality and one doesn't. The child (can or cannot know) that the parents are adopting them but in what way is the parental role being denied? What changes are needed to be made to match the child's mentality that their parents are taking care of them? None. Like I said it's not comparable, not even in the slightest


I said that's the only thing relevant to me when someone accused me of caring whether or not she gets victimized. As in, my outlook on the matter was determined by her status as a male-to-female transsexual, not whether or not she's safer.

We're arguing about whether or not she poses a danger
because someone else brought that up as a reason she shouldn't be sent to a female prison, which I disagree with. Same for the biological argument.
And that's your problem, you outlook is blinding your common sense. You already agree that he is a man. Whether or not you agree with the facts, they are there and you cannot take away from that which is factual. He was judged based on being a male.
 
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Because a man hitting a woman is the same as a woman hitting a woman..... :lmao:





Notice how your predilection blinds you to common sense. I've already acknowledged that there are women biologically stronger than others. But the man's average biological and physical makeup surpass that of the average woman. It's already considered morally for some for a man to put his hands on a woman. We see that he can be belligerent so what would that do for some who already consider it to be wrong?








Criminals should not be shown sympathy or empathy, actually I disagree, depends on the circumstances. In this situation? She wanted to act like a man and cause harm to someone else so what empathy and sympathy should be shown if the fact is she is a man? Should a man who identifies as a female but doesn't want get a *** change but has a vasectomy, should he go to a female prison if he requests so?



So what more is there to argue? You're sitting basically saying even though this Liger roars like a tiger and looks like a tiger than it's a tiger even though biologically it's a Liger. You using the scuba example was a poor comparison and actually supports what I'm explaining to you. Even though we have the scuba gear, we biologically still cannot breathe underwater just like even though he wanted to get a *** change it doesn't take away from the fact that he is biologically still a he. Understand?




We didn't bypass anything and that's what you don't understand. We still cannot breathe underwater biologically just like he didn't get past being a dude.



Please don't put me in the same boat with someone that doesn't know what a homophone is. Notice how you fail to see that one has to do with one's mentality and one doesn't. The child (can or cannot know) that the parents are adopting them but in what way is the parental role being denied? What changes are needed to be made to match the child's mentality that their parents are taking care of them? None. Like I said it's not comparable, not even in the slightest
You're exactly in the same both as him since you're both incapable of understanding arguments, so you repeat the same things over and over like parrots. Even in this post, you still say the same the same thing again as before you can't understand my argument.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.
 

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You're exactly in the same both as him since you're both incapable of understanding arguments, so you repeat the same things over and over like parrots. Even in this post, you still say the same the same thing again as before you can't understand my argument.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.
Concession accepted :sdo:

Don't get mad at me because all your points have been countered. You had no argument to begin with. If you're gonna debate next time, leave emotion out of it and bring facts will ya? Notice how

Women pose a lower public safety risk than men. Women typically enter the criminal justice system for nonviolent crimes that are often drug and/or property-related. Within correctional facility settings, incidents of violence and aggression committed by incarcerated women are extremely low. Women released from incarceration have lower recidivism rates than their male counterparts; this holds true for rearrests, reconvictions, and returns to correctional facilities with or without new sentences.

Which makes your argument about safety null and void


Have a nice day
 

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Concession accepted :sdo:

Don't get mad at me because all your points have been countered. You had no argument to begin with. If you're gonna debate next time, leave emotion out of it and bring facts will ya? Notice how

Women pose a lower public safety risk than men. Women typically enter the criminal justice system for nonviolent crimes that are often drug and/or property-related. Within correctional facility settings, incidents of violence and aggression committed by incarcerated women are extremely low. Women released from incarceration have lower recidivism rates than their male counterparts; this holds true for rearrests, reconvictions, and returns to correctional facilities with or without new sentences.

Which makes your argument about safety null and void


Have a nice day
You didn't counter them at all. You just repeat your own points over and over while either misunderstanding the arguments you reply to or just repeating yourself completely.

That actually doesn't though. Women being more likely to be less dangerous than men doesn't mean there aren't still dangerous women in there.

Edit: @your rep comment: I did give you a logical argument, which you proceeded to ignore in favor of simply repeating your exact arguments over and over/not actually addressing an argument. You do the exact opposite of what a debater does, hence why this debate ends. I'm not interested in a debate where you just copy and paste the exact same argument over and over regardless of what the other person says.
 
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