Edo Itachi vs SM Kabuto

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Awwww That was soo Sweet Little Kiddy Kid! ;) Are you done yet? You seem to be pouring your heart out to me my child! Like I said, we could turn this into a Pissing contest real or internet wise And i'd shit on you. But we aren't hear for that, Do I need to post the actual debates (not disagreements on what defense is stronger bs) that i've literally made you Concede? Do I need to post the info you stole from me and others after denying it and trying to bash at first? Kid Don't do this to yourself! I'm trying to be nice and save your little NB rep you're so obsessed with since it's all you have in life.

Me wanting to debate 10 ppl when I'm free=You thinking you're spl and the only one when i can make your own friends agree I asked them all around the same time! Awww I didn't know I meant that much to you.

Debate and Taste my Piss Or Nah? Stop ducking and dodging when I actually wanna "Debate" Character vs Character!
Already told your ho ass that I don't feel like going on for pages against someone who will only reply with something as stupid as this:

What makes you think the Senjutsu and Senjutsu TBB wouldn't also Obliterate PS? There lies the flaw in your logic. For me to answer your question you would first give any valid evidense that Base PS would Survive. Then we can go to phase two if you show manga proof that is.
Or a cop out like this:

LMAo As always you prove nothing and ignore everything. If I didnt have a life I would draw shit out for you since you are slow as **** just like in the past when I literally had to draw out the fact Chakra cloak shits on Ama.

Then you're happy go lucky on what? Saying PS is more durable then TSB when it is clearly not? That's what your happy for? That makes you feel good? lmmfao It's not that serious kid, You have never once beat me in a "debate" and I have killed you on multiple occasions w/ character>character when i wasn't even an once serious. Get over yourself my guy. If you wanna have a debate then say so, but don't think since I don't like wasting my time with you and the rest of the Scrubs on this site that still post every day all day that you achieved anything. And the same goes for any other scrub that rides your tip to no end. But then again I wouldn't waste time, so just be happy I have a life and Naruto is no more to me My guy.
(LMFAO look at this cluck trying to flex, ooh he wasn't even serious, better watch out before he pisses in my mouth :lmao:) What you gonna do when Draegod comes for you? Who knows? :lol

Shitted on you too many times for me to count. "I'm not worth your time" yet you are still thirsty to debate me. Smh.

Draegod. Do me a favor and get off my nuts. I don't swing that way nor is it ever that serious. Not to the point where you stalk my posts and cry about my every move to whoever you can find to listen to your sob stories. Ironic you try and act like I'm obssessed with you when you:

-Always reply to me.
-Always reference me in your posts.
-Always cry about my internet friends.

It's pretty clear that somewhere down the line I hurt your feelings. Knowing you, a screenshot of that moment is probably saved in your PC. Lol whiny ass cat. Same old flames. Same shitty arguments. Same terrible attempts at saving face. Instead of jock riding and nut hanging like you're some monkey from the jungle, you should stay in your lane while I stay in mine, which is what I always do. It's always bitch ass Draegod Byakugan user of NB proud husband (or wife?) of Blazekev and master old debater of NB back in the olden days who will piss all over them dudes on the internet who has to come at me. Butthurt?

Most likely. Obsessed? Probably. On my nuts? Definitely.
 

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No he doesnt. The mass of Manda would crush them. Manda being big would mean would Caves fall apart, as it can't withstand containing its size.

In no way Itachi can have his clones look at each other and activate highest level Susanoo in time, since he and his clones get killed as soon they are caught in the genjutsu.



No. What Kabuto demonstrated only have its used to trap and not hurt Sasuke. Thats not restricting him anymore so he gets the full effect[ ], which is waay taller then the Cave.
No, it wouldn't. He's an Edo Zombie. He'd still activate Susanoo and handle Manda. Kabuto can't summon and catch them at the same exact time. One will always occur faster than the other, and I'm willing to bet that summoning will happen fist if he tries to use them at the same time. If he tries to use Genjutsu first and then quickly follow up with summoning, Itachi will easily act before he does and either respond by:

-Swapping himself out with crow clones.
-Using Amaterasu the moment Tayuya Mateki is used.

It being taller than the cave doesn't stop him from jumping above while it's still forming and then clearing a path as he comes down.
 

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Already told your ho ass that I don't feel like going on for pages against someone who will only reply with something as stupid as this:



Or a cop out like this:



(LMFAO look at this cluck trying to flex, ooh he wasn't even serious, better watch out before he pisses in my mouth :lmao:) What you gonna do when Draegod comes for you? Who knows? :lol

Shitted on you too many times for me to count. "I'm not worth your time" yet you are still thirsty to debate me. Smh.

Draegod. Do me a favor and get off my nuts. I don't swing that way nor is it ever that serious. Not to the point where you stalk my posts and cry about my every move to whoever you can find to listen to your sob stories. Ironic you try and act like I'm obssessed with you when you:

-Always reply to me.
-Always reference me in your posts.
-Always cry about my internet friends.

It's pretty clear that somewhere down the line I hurt your feelings. Knowing you, a screenshot of that moment is probably saved in your PC. Lol whiny ass cat. Same old flames. Same shitty arguments. Same terrible attempts at saving face. Instead of jock riding and nut hanging like you're some monkey from the jungle, you should stay in your lane while I stay in mine, which is what I always do. It's always bitch ass Draegod Byakugan user of NB proud husband (or wife?) of Blazekev and master old debater of NB back in the olden days who will piss all over them dudes on the internet who has to come at me. Butthurt?

Most likely. Obsessed? Probably. On my nuts? Definitely.
Kiddy kid kid. **Tsk tsk** You have to come harder than that Chica! It's clear your weak insults is all you have. If you wanna be a Puss than by all means be one. I'm bored and tired of toying with your emotions already. Ima spare you these screen shots and be the bigger person, lawd knows you need all the friends you can get over the internet (and Skype.. Yes these Niguhs slype and OOvOO every day! lmao). We both know you didn't wont this work and take a chance to get owned like all your other NB super 24 hour crew members.

I'm out lil Deedee! Good night my sweetheart!
 

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Kiddy kid kid. **Tsk tsk** You have to come harder than that Chica! It's clear your weak insults is all you have. If you wanna be a Puss than by all means be one. I'm bored and tired of toying with your emotions already. Ima spare you these screen shots and be the bigger person, lawd knows you need all the friends you can get over the internet (and Skype.. Yes these Niguhs slype and OOvOO every day! lmao). We both know you didn't wont this work and take a chance to get owned like all your other NB super 24 hour crew members.

I'm out lil Deedee! Good night my sweetheart!
Yup. I don't want that work from a man turned female who stays riding my nuts 24/7 on a naruto forum. Make like Meek Mill and scurry on outta here fuck boy. Everyone with a brain already knows how retarded you get when it comes to arguing with me. No reason for you to put on the tough guy act. Lmfao. bitch niggas these days. They kill me. :lol

Good night. Try not to ride whoever's jock it is too hard.
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1. You say he was gassed out after using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, even though an Itachi who was medically prolonging his life used large amounts of Amaterasu multiple times, used Tsukuyomi, and then to top it off used a V3-V4 Susanoo for a good 10 minutes before he finally kicked the bucket due to his illness. Not because he ran out of chakra.
He cannonly was gassed out i was refering to part 1 though. He didn't use large amount of Amaterasu there is no such thing. . 10 minutes non likly. A drained Sasuke used a v4 Susanoo why do you keep saying that? Never said he died via chakra depletion not sure why you made a point to bring that up in your last post.

2. Sasuke ran out of chakra simply because he did. Has nothing to do with CM2 being more taxing when his performance as MS Sasuke and Hebi Sasuke show which one was more taxing. Sasuke reeling in Pain from using Susanoo and coughing up blood from using it too long tells me that MS is far more taxing. What's worse is that Itachi was spamming MS the whole time. Sasuke used CM2 for less than 10 minutes. He only used it to power his Katon that he used to activate Kirin. Everything else was CM1 or a partial transformation
Bold it seems like your going against irrefutable proof here. Ill break it down for you to understand what im saying.

· You claim he ran out of chakra because he simply ran out of chakra when in-fact he did less in this battle than he did against Danzo while also using MS techs.

· CM2 is extremely taxxing which is why Sasuke uses it for short amounts of time in his battles.[Deidara,Itachi battles are what im refering to especially]

Sasuke coughing up blood doesn't mean it's more taxing at all. Amaterasu causes the users eyes to bleed but Susanoo doesn't. <--- This puts your blood=more taxing claim to rest. CM altogether is taxing. Cm1 and Cm2 there both very lethal on the users body/chakra.


Itachi's chakra is not low. Never has been, never will be.


-Itachi countered White Rage via Susanoo.
-Itachi countered Muki Tensei via Susanoo, but protected Sasuke and not himself.
-Itachi needed help for Genjutsu, but that's what a clone is for.
-Itachi countered Kimimaro in canon.
-Sasuke w/ Amaterasu countered Kidomaru's webs by burning them and slashing them. Instead of slashing them, Itachi just burns them, and that assumes that Totsuka can't just cut them, but I'm not going to claim that it does just to avoid another side argument.
-Manda II can't be used in a cave, not to mention it's a large target. Totsuka seals it.

The only issue is beating Kabuto down. Either Itachi eventually catches him slipping and gets him with Amaterasu or Totsuka, or Amaterasu followed up by Totsuka, or Itachi outlasts Kabuto and then puts him down.
Bold I beg to differ i brief scrimmage with the leaf jounin had Itachi fleeing the village after just using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. [Never has been] is a complete lie. Susanoo isn't a counter for WR his edo body was. Once WR is used i presume Itachi would put up his Susanoo after that if so he gets flushed out or bone forest takes advantage of the Susanoo weakness via the ground. The clone isn't going to help him once Sound genjutsu is used. Kabuto can simply use Muki tensei in conjunction with sound genjutsu thus stabbing his Edo body up and possibly taking out his clone in the process. For your sake let's assume the clone gets way from Muki tensei but Itachi isn't getting away once his body is pinned up Kabuto re-writes him.

Point
Point. Manda II can be used inside a cage it being a large target will only help Kabuto because it'll be a distraction. Amaterasu is never going to land on Kabuto even if it does oral rebirth saves him from any damage. You have one solid point in this argument and that is Itachi being able to win via outlasting.
 
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No, it wouldn't. He's an Edo Zombie. He'd still activate Susanoo and handle Manda. Kabuto can't summon and catch them at the same exact time. One will always occur faster than the other, and I'm willing to bet that summoning will happen fist if he tries to use them at the same time. If he tries to use Genjutsu first and then quickly follow up with summoning, Itachi will easily act before he does and either respond by:

-Swapping himself out with crow clones.
-Using Amaterasu the moment Tayuya Mateki is used.
- Your not getting it. There's no space for them to do anything, they all simultaneously get crushed due to its sheer mass.
- Amaterasu is a non factor, thats not stopping Kabuto at all. Any wall would block it, with a small snake, webs( like canon) or bones.

It being taller than the cave doesn't stop him from jumping above while it's still forming and then clearing a path as he comes down.
Against a multitasker Kabuto, isnt an effective counter. Hell a shadow clone can cover the roof while were at it
 

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He cannonly was gassed out i was refering to part 1 though. He didn't use large amount of Amaterasu there is no such thing. . 10 minutes non likly. A drained Sasuke used a v4 Susanoo why do you keep saying that? Never said he died via chakra depletion not sure why you made a point to bring that up in your last post.
He said he had to rest. He never said or implied he was gassed out. Not to mention he canonically did much more than that in a weaker state, so how are you going to say that this is his limit? 10 minutes? Yes likely.

-Took out Orochimaru. Some conversation in between.
-Slowly paced towards Sasuke while holding Susanoo up.
-He also used a Complete Susanoo before Kirin, and had to put V2 back up when V3 got obliterated. Which takes more chakra.

My point is that he doesn't have low chakra. Are you not following me here?


Bold it seems like your going against irrefutable proof here. Ill break it down for you to understand what im saying.

· You claim he ran out of chakra because he simply ran out of chakra when in-fact he did less in this battle than he did against Danzo while also using MS techs.

· CM2 is extremely taxxing which is why Sasuke uses it for short amounts of time in his battles.[Deidara,Itachi battles are what im refering to especially]

Sasuke coughing up blood doesn't mean it's more taxing at all. Amaterasu causes the users eyes to bleed but Susanoo doesn't. <--- This puts your blood=more taxing claim to rest. CM altogether is more taxing cm1 and cm2 there both very lethal on the users body/chakra.
There is no proof on your side.

-Which might be true, but it doesn't change the facts.

-Sasuke used it for a few seconds against Itachi, yet he was almost out of chakra at that point even before he decided he had to use CM2.






Stop trying to make it seem like CM2 took a boatload of his chakra when using it for a few seconds and using Katon put him near empty. He used the regular CM, multiple Katons multiple times and then he used Oral Rebirth which is stated to take a very large amount of chakra.

-Why are you using Amaterasu's bleeding eye as evidence when Sasuke coughing up blood, panting on the floor talking about how he's in pain and stuff is obviously completely different from that? Bleeding eye has nothing to do with strain. Coughing up blood and panting does. I hope I don't have to get scans. The whole Kage Summit Arc shows this.

CM will never be more taxing than the Mangekyo. Never.


I beg to differ i brief scrimmage with the leaf jounin had Itachi fleeing the village after just using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. [Never has been] is a complete lie. Susanoo isn't a counter for WR his edo body was. Once WR is used i presume Itachi would put up his Susanoo after that if so he gets flushed out or bone forest takes advantage of the Susanoo weakness via the ground. The clone isn't going to help him once Sound genjutsu is used. Kabuto can simply use Muki tensei in conjunction with sound genjutsu thus stabbing his Edo body up and possibly taking out his clone in the process. For your sake let's assume the clone gets way from Muki tensei but Itachi isn't getting away once his body is pinned up Kabuto re-writes him.
-Why are you still mentioning Pt 1 situations where Itachi didn't bother to go all out when we've seen him do much more in Part 2? Makes zero sense. Itachi only said he needed to rest. Stop acting like he used all his chakra on 2 MS techniques. Manga already disagrees.

-Lol irrelevant because the point stays the same. White Rage is countered. Either by Susanoo, or by burning the core with Amaterasu. The latter option prevents the bone forest strategy and the former option just forces him to use Susanoo to cut down the bones as they come at him.

-Genjutsu and Muki Tensei isn't going to work. Using them together results in Muki Tensei getting evaded before the Sound reaches them and catches them. Waiting to use Muki Tensei results in Itachi and his clone glancing at each other, breaking out and then countering any assault with Susanoo.



Point. Manda II can be used inside a cage it being a large target will only help Kabuto because it'll be a distraction. Amaterasu is never going to land on Kabuto even if it does oral rebirth saves him from any damage. You have one solid point in this argument is Itachi being able to win via outlasting.
Already agreed that Manda II can crush Itachi if summoned in the cave in my post to EJ, but that's the only way he wins this. Amaterasu never landing Kabuto? Didn't know he became faster than Ay when he got SM? :lol Though Oral Rebirth would save him, it still gives Itachi time to nail him with Totsuka.

- Your not getting it. There's no space for them to do anything, they all simultaneously get crushed due to its sheer mass.
- Amaterasu is a non factor, thats not stopping Kabuto at all. Any wall would block it, with a small snake, webs( like canon) or bones.



Against a multitasker Kabuto, isnt an effective counter. Hell a shadow clone can cover the roof while were at it
Then I'll agree that Manda crushes them, for now, assuming someone doesn't come with anything better, also assuming I don't come with something tomorrow since I'm pretty tired now.
 

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Didn't know he became faster than Ay when he got SM? :lol Though Oral Rebirth would save him, it still gives Itachi time to nail him with Totsuka.
One more point. Itachi admitted that Oral Rebirth is extremely hard to detect (even had trouble with it against Kabuto), so landing Totsuka is a stretch
 

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Lmao! This is the most fun I've had reading a thread on this much maligned site in a while. I didn't even skim it. Unfortunately, it's also a reflection of what discussions here amount to.
 
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He said he had to rest. He never said or implied he was gassed out. Not to mention he canonically did much more than that in a weaker state, so how are you going to say that this is his limit? 10 minutes? Yes likely.

-Took out Orochimaru. Some conversation in between.
-Slowly paced towards Sasuke while holding Susanoo up.
-He also used a Complete Susanoo before Kirin, and had to put V2 back up when V3 got obliterated. Which takes more chakra
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I think the author made it more than obvious what rest means don't you? Just admit that in part 1 he was gassed after 2-3 MS tech usages why are you still denying the obvious. Bold it said the God tree would bloom within 15mins which is from chapter - .

My point is that he doesn't have low chakra. Are you not following me here?

There is no proof on your side.

-Which might be true, but it doesn't change the facts.

-Sasuke used it for a few seconds against Itachi, yet he was almost out of chakra at that point even before he decided he had to use CM2.






Stop trying to make it seem like CM2 took a boatload of his chakra when using it for a few seconds and using Katon put him near empty. He used the regular CM, multiple Katons multiple times and then he used Oral Rebirth which is stated to take a very large amount of chakra.
I completely understand what your saying. Im talking about cm 1 and cm2 i made it a point to make that clear in my previous post me posting just cm2 was a mistake on my behalf ill admit to that. CM in general takes alot of chakra.

-Why are you using Amaterasu's bleeding eye as evidence when Sasuke coughing up blood, panting on the floor talking about how he's in pain and stuff is obviously completely different from that? Bleeding eye has nothing to do with strain. Coughing up blood and panting does. I hope I don't have to get scans. The whole Kage Summit Arc shows this.

CM will never be more taxing than the Mangekyo. Never.
That was from using Susanoo while having low stamina but once Zetsu gave him some chakra he didn't have that affect anymore. Hell even during his battle with Danzo when he was low on reserves he didn't cough up blood. Strained Sasuke used a v3 and a v4 so that claim you keep bringing up with Itachi isn't really great when a beaten chakra drained Sasuke did the same feat. Using Susanoo while having low chakra isn't impossible when it's been done multiple times. None of what your refuting is going against my original statement. Sasuke while using cm1 and cm2 drained much faster than Sasuke using MS techs.


-Why are you still mentioning Pt 1 situations where Itachi didn't bother to go all out when we've seen him do much more in Part 2? Makes zero sense. Itachi only said he needed to rest. Stop acting like he used all his chakra on 2 MS techniques. Manga already disagrees.
You said Never have been i was just clearing up a misconception for you.

-Lol irrelevant because the point stays the same. White Rage is countered. Either by Susanoo, or by burning the core with Amaterasu. The latter option prevents the bone forest strategy and the former option just forces him to use Susanoo to cut down the bones as they come at him.
Amaterasu burning feats are horrible the orb won't be burned out before it explodes unless you can prove how fast Amaterasu burns non flesh made material. Not when the bones comes directly under the Susanoo which means he can't cut them unless your implying that his blade will fly under his Susanoo and chop the bones.

-Genjutsu and Muki Tensei isn't going to work. Using them together results in Muki Tensei getting evaded before the Sound reaches them and catches them. Waiting to use Muki Tensei results in Itachi and his clone glancing at each other, breaking out and then countering any assault with Susanoo.
Fail strategy. As long as Kabuto has his hands on the ground he can constantly use Inorganic reanimation so dodging it and then being caught with sound genjutsu isn't happening nor is it possible giving the situation here. Once genjutsu hits him Kabuto hands will be already on the ground which means he'll be pinned up near instantly to him being caught. His clone using genjutsu on him while holes are in his head is impossible. So the clone reenacting what Sasuke did isn't happening.




Already agreed that Manda II can crush Itachi if summoned in the cave in my post to EJ, but that's the only way he wins this. Amaterasu never landing Kabuto? Didn't know he became faster than Ay when he got SM? :lol Though Oral Rebirth would save him, it still gives Itachi time to nail him with Totsuka.
Manda crushes Itachi win isn't what im going to settle for here that's equivalent to Itachi winning via outlasting.


Then I'll agree that Manda crushes them, for now, assuming someone doesn't come with anything better, also assuming I don't come with something tomorrow since I'm pretty tired now.
I think i've just provided better evidence.
 
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About Sound Genjutsu... Funny how people try to find an excuse by using Shadow Clones as a Sasuke replacement, but totally forget that Kabuto can simply keep on playing that flute so the moment Itachi breaks free, he's caught again. Is there anything that stops him from doing that? It's not like getting out of Genjutsu makes one immune to it.
 

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About Sound Genjutsu... Funny how people try to find an excuse by using Shadow Clones as a Sasuke replacement, but totally forget that Kabuto can simply keep on playing that flute so the moment Itachi breaks free, he's caught again. Is there anything that stops him from doing that? It's not like getting out of Genjutsu makes one immune to it.
That's some nice fan-fic you got there.
 

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Please specify where the so-called fanfic is exactly.
"Kabuto can simply keep on playing that flute so the moment Itachi breaks free, he's caught again. "

1. Not possible.
2. Amaterasu can be used at Kabuto's body the moment he leaves the Genjutsu to smash Kabuto. Kabuto uses Oral Rebirth and find himself getting blitzed by Totsuka, or burned yet again with Amaterasu.
 
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