Edo Itachi vs SM Kabuto

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You and KG with the insults your still salty i owned you in that Itachi Taijutsu thread so you resorted to your insults L00l. Don't get mad at me because your getting clowned just like KG did he conceded for a reason. You jumping in defending Itachi will end the same way it did with KG you conceding. Instead of worrying about me im waiting for that reply to Ejblack.

Inb4 Icelerate...​

Then after, maybe we can tackle your 1-2-3's? How's that sound bud? Let's try getting those down before snack time.

 

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Then after, maybe we can tackle your 1-2-3's? How's that sound bud? Let's try getting those down before snack time.

Waiting for your reply to Ejblack like...

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[Beans2]

The itachi wank is just unreal. Manda 2 obviously solos this is not debateable.

Totsuka slashes are evaded via going underground. Manda 2 comes up from underground like Manda did here (

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I just soloed this thread. Class is dismissed.

 

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The itachi wank is just unreal. Manda 2 obviously solos this is not debateable.

Totsuka slashes are evaded via going underground. Manda 2 comes up from underground like Manda did here (

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) and snaps up Itachi in its jaws. Susanoo's weakness is underground as seen here by Gaaras sand (

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).

I just soloed this thread. Class is dismissed.

Thank you my fellow pubic hair. I've blessed you with the Manda II knowledge well.​

 

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I don't know why... We haven't covered phonics yet.

 

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I don't know why... We haven't covered phonics yet.

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[Xlad]

The itachi wank is just unreal. Manda 2 obviously solos this is not debateable.

Totsuka slashes are evaded via going underground. Manda 2 comes up from underground like Manda did here (

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) and snaps up Itachi in its jaws. Susanoo's weakness is underground as seen here by Gaaras sand (

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).

I just soloed this thread. Class is dismissed.

How about a pop quiz while we'e at it?

Who's the most powerful summon?

 

[Draegod]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

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Lmmfao hahahaha

I HATE YOUR ASS BRO!! Fuq Eli for life!!!!!!!!

 

[RedRobin]

Just trying to figure out Robin's thought process.​

• Kisame
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  that the MS eye is also dangerous to Itachi.
• Itachi
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  from using two MS techniques.
• MS eyes not only lose their light but also
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• One MS technique
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  .
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  of just using 1 MS technique.
• So much focus going into the eye its causing it
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  . There is a reason the eye bleeds, it doesnt just happen, the eye is being put through serious amounts of strain to leak blood out in that way.
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  after using Amaterasu.
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  , Sasuke needs to close his eye.
• Juugo
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  it takes a lot out of you from just using an MS technique 2 times.
• As Sasuke
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  just from using Susano every cell in his body hurts. He is just using ribcage and he hasnt even perfected Susano plus its his first time using it.
• Sasuke leaking blood from
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  his eye during the fight. Another
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Thats all the damage MS does to a user themselves. No way clones can throw out this kind of power and not disappear because of the strain.

Now people may say Madara has shown 25 clones using susano at a time. There is a reason for this it is because he was implanted with Hashirama DNA.

Lets see how Hashirama's DNA effects MS users:

• Obito was shown spamming Kamui throughout the manga. A technique which drains Kakashi in no time.
• Danzo was able to speed up the cool down period of KA from
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Only reason anyone even thought of clones using MS techniques was because Madara showed it but there is a reason he was able to do that.

In conclusion MS users cannot use MS techniques through clones because of the strain it causes to the body, only reason Madara was ever able to do it was because of Hashirama's cells.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Is this still being debated?

 

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Sit there? No. Is he stopping it anyway? No. Not unless Itachi execute something faster then Susanoo arrow. Plus the fact that he got extra eyes for support so theres no losing track of him. Being nearly blind isnt an excuse, he had plenty of time to check on Sasuke's body and chakra signature around the location (he out right told sasuke he was low on reserves). Plus in Kabuto scenario, I was leaning towards Itachi against Kabuto inside Izanami. Orochimaru poison gas didnt get through because it was never used, simple. No body cut from Orochimaru then no poison is exposed.

Dont see what Itachi Bushins do here. Only effective counter is Explosive ones. But I am addressing my clones using long range so its irrelevant to get close.

His shunshin speed alone is susano'o arrow speed. They don't have shared vision, so I'm not quite sure what extra eyes are going to do here when Itachi targets any single one of them. But it is though. Itachi knew and stated that Oral Rebirth is one of Orochimaru's techniques; and while he was healthy, he also out right stated that all of Oro's jutsu was ineffective in front of his eyes. So we need to take into account that one statement was made while healthy, while the other while sick and blind. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that it's hard to detect, but not anywhere near impossible, especially with a fresh pair of eyes. You'd have to link me, but what happened in reality is the most accurate example, not genjutsu. Yes it was, you can clearly see the gas leaking out of the area that's being crushed by susano'o hand [

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They can do a lot. Itachi being extremely perceptive and quick, DSM Kabuto and EMS Sasuke didn't even see him switch with a clone, and the feint that followed. Simple

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can be used to flutter their senses and sight, and allow them to shunshin in close for the bunshin explosion. If Kabuto/Kage Bunshins want to focus on getting rid of the crows before they flock near, then that's when Itachi's shurikenjutsu comes into play. He's so proficient with them that he precisely aimed them within Nagato's shared vision blind spots, where they completey went unnoticed [

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]. With the distractions of crows, Itachi and/or his bunshins can easily aim and toss them to maneuver around the cave and into Kabuto's blind spot. A single kunai was enogh to knock out Naruto's Kage Bunshins [

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], so I don't see why wouldn't multiple of them be serviceable in taking out Kabuto. If not, explosive tags can be applied, as well as magatamas - with the crow distraction. Not to mention, Amaterasu should be able to one-shot the bunshins at any given time as well.

Itachi making an opening was because Kabuto decided to stand around and see what the Uchiha chemistry were, since he thought they had none[

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]. Shown middle panel, seeing that attack from a mile away[

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]. Not only does Itachi have anything that move faster then Arrow, Kabuto doesn't need to stand around in the same place, as he was only caught when distracted.

@Bold: Watching the fight were he was controlling Edo Nagato?

Itachi creating an opening had nothing to do with that though. It didn't occur until after Kabuto got hit by the susano'o arrow, and wanted to pretend that he was actually caught by it. Itachi made his bunshin so fast that Kabuto didn't even realize until after it dispersed, and by then it was too late, he was feinted. So it had nothing to do with Magatamas/susano'o arrow distraction, because Kabuto wasn't even distracted when Itachi did it. It was shere swift jutsu execution that did the trick, not the distraction. Again, Itachi is more or less susano'o arrow speed when he shunshins... but he was being overly conservative during that fight, and ultimately was banking on Izanami.

Lmao, clearly I wasn't thinking too hard about that.

I was under the impression that webs will stick on the shield. Ill drop that point and say they he drops them on the floor and ceilings so he cant go anywhere. Totsuka isn't sweeping the bones when its not stopping to trap Itachi, its going to continue and pierce him underneath. Maga is slower then Arrow so no it doesnt. And bushins I addressed.

@Bold I am going by canon materiel. Sasuke holding up V2 Susanoo with Ammy use means Susanoo gets a cool-time. Otherwise Itachi has to use it with ribcage.

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doesn't work (don't recall) then Itachi simply destroys the ground with susano'o punches, magnatamas, and Totsuka. Or Itachi and/or the bunshins can fire off Katons that rip through the earth [

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] to get rid of the webbed areas. Why did the bones stop in cannon then? Either way, Itachi isn't gettind trapped. Yata can deflect from the bottom if need be as well.

This is Edo Itachi though. Chakra should be replenished as soon as it's used, so there shouldn't be a cool down time. As long as it's within his alive capacity, it should be possible in Edo form.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

So like school and work hit me hard today and its going to continue. I may not have time posting as posting as often.

His shunshin speed alone is susano'o arrow speed. They don't have shared vision, so I'm not quite sure what extra eyes are going to do here when Itachi targets any single one of them. But it is though. Itachi knew and stated that Oral Rebirth is one of Orochimaru's techniques; and while he was healthy, he also out right stated that all of Oro's jutsu was ineffective in front of his eyes. So we need to take into account that one statement was made while healthy, while the other while sick and blind. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that it's hard to detect, but not anywhere near impossible, especially with a fresh pair of eyes. You'd have to link me, but what happened in reality is the most accurate example, not genjutsu. Yes it was, you can clearly see the gas leaking out of the area that's being crushed by susano'o hand [

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When Kabuto was caught by arrow, hanging, he had enough time to get the blade and stab Itachi, before intentional blitz (clone) then dodged his next surprised attack. Something he can't do if a second arrow came at him. Please dont bother saying his intention wasn't to kill as it irrelevant. Since Im talking about speed execution, which Itachi had no reason to move slower to catch Kabuto in Izanami, he wanted to prepare it ASAP. Even then I asked for something that can execute faster then arrow and the only argument you gave me was "equal". So either way, not good enough.

@Italic: I meant it as Sakon via Den'ien'ei, covering Kabuto's blind spots just like Ukon canonically did for his brother.

@Underline: Then we already reach our neutral agreement, since I didnt say it was impossible I said its a stretch. Its a stretch not because its Orochimaru tech but Kabuto use with modifications or should I add that point now (example snakes carrying his chakra signature so he can't tell where he is moving next). Plus counters to prevent using Oral Rebirth, to techniques from Itachi as strict option use. You say Ammy, I say Nenkin no Yoroi, Snakes (same way he escape from Itachi and Sasuke but can be used as meat shields), webs wall (canon), and earth shore wall.

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] as for Izanami case, is the only one that counts as "bad reasoning" to state that this genjutsu world doesn't count. Kabuto is allow to freely do whatever he wants in that genjutsu. He also has the choice the break out of it or not. Itachi was capable of anticipating Kabuto from using Water Dragon and countered him[

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], would you say that its not "accurate" from that happening outside Izanami too?

@Orochimaru "poison": I dont think your being honest here. Orochimaru poison states it evaporates in the air, and when shown against Sasuke it isnt visible. Its like trying to see air itself. 1. Thats clearly dust clouds. 2. Orochimaru body fluids needs to be expose for it to work, so Itachi and Sasuke properly held it correctly instead of cutting him open and 3. Susanoo, isnt air tight defense

They can do a lot. Itachi being extremely perceptive and quick, DSM Kabuto and EMS Sasuke didn't even see him switch with a clone, and the feint that followed. Simple

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can be used to flutter their senses and sight, and allow them to shunshin in close for the bunshin explosion. If Kabuto/Kage Bunshins want to focus on getting rid of the crows before they flock near, then that's when Itachi's shurikenjutsu comes into play. He's so proficient with them that he precisely aimed them within Nagato's shared vision blind spots, where they completey went unnoticed [

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]. With the distractions of crows, Itachi and/or his bunshins can easily aim and toss them to maneuver around the cave and into Kabuto's blind spot. A single kunai was enogh to knock out Naruto's Kage Bunshins [

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], so I don't see why wouldn't multiple of them be serviceable in taking out Kabuto. If not, explosive tags can be applied, as well as magatamas - with the crow distraction. Not to mention, Amaterasu should be able to one-shot the bunshins at any given time as well.

Shiruken jutsu is not helping because of Sakon's presence, I addressed above. Kabuto can cover every part of his body of blind spots because of Sakon. Sakon can be any Sound 5, which all are very versatile in defense, so Im not going to list them all blocking Shirukens. Plus the fact the it has to pass through Bone forest sprouting the whole cave.

Covered Amaterasu with multiple ways from first point.

Itachi creating an opening had nothing to do with that though. It didn't occur until after Kabuto got hit by the susano'o arrow, and wanted to pretend that he was actually caught by it. Itachi made his bunshin so fast that Kabuto didn't even realize until after it dispersed, and by then it was too late, he was feinted. So it had nothing to do with Magatamas/susano'o arrow distraction, because Kabuto wasn't even distracted when Itachi did it. It was shere swift jutsu execution that did the trick, not the distraction. Again, Itachi is more or less susano'o arrow speed when he shunshins... but he was being overly conservative during that fight, and ultimately was banking on Izanami.

Lmao, clearly I wasn't thinking too hard about that.

Addressed this anyway either we agree or disagree on this particular manga panel interpretation.

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doesn't work (don't recall) then Itachi simply destroys the ground with susano'o punches, magnatamas, and Totsuka. Or Itachi and/or the bunshins can fire off Katons that rip through the earth [

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] to get rid of the webbed areas. Why did the bones stop in cannon then? Either way, Itachi isn't gettind trapped. Yata can deflect from the bottom if need be as well.

This is Edo Itachi though. Chakra should be replenished as soon as it's used, so there shouldn't be a cool down time. As long as it's within his alive capacity, it should be possible in Edo form.

It slow down Rotation so it shouldnt with just chakra control. Itachi isnt destroying the ground w/ Susanoo, he can make a cave-in imprint like Sasuke did vs Danzo, but that will just get his Susanoo hand stuck if punching the web, since it sticks and hold down way more then a ton. Katon counter sounds interesting but ripping the ground isn't stopping the "attachment", maybe if can, idk. Interesting counter. But can be stop with Suiton, like Kabuto countering Sasuke's and Itachis (in Izanami). Kabuto didnt want to hurt Sasuke so he didnt go full throttle, as Kimmimaru did against Gaara and Lee. They knew he was trying to trap them in with a wall of webs and bones. Yata isnt covering the whole bottom floor otherwise he would of not jeopardize just saving Sasuke, when facing spike via Muki Tensei.

@Bold tell that to KCM Minato when attempting to use FTG after God Tree absorbed his chakra. Itachi may have unlimited reverse because its rechargeable. But it doesn't change his capacity. Even context, Sasuke asked Itachi if he is still able to use Susanoo, after Ammy[

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], now doing both at the same time should go by canon.

 

[Blackdeath667]

i love itachi but i know his limits