[VS] Beansandcornbread VS Draegod!
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iv read the first to arguments have not read the last 2 but drae is winning and its funny because this is a weird matchup imo i never really knew he would win a matchup like this just usually agree with the majority
Oro vs gaara is one of those matchup aswell
Oro vs gaara is one of those matchup aswell
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well he's winning from what i'v read thus far is what i should have said. There post are so damn long so i doubt ill read the rest though.
Beans you should not reply just let it end with 3 post max its already long as hell
Im not surprised that draegod has done the job he has i'v seen him in beast mode before but you beat kifflom so you could pull this one off my disciple also everybody who disliking people post because they're not supporting beans is lame yall know who yall are.
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I really wish that you got yourself perma banned instead. Funny thing is, is tha this is the first time in a long ass time that I've been able to read on lf your posts.
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Wasn't it Drae who was criticizing beans for dedicating too much time on time on this site? Hummmmm..... 
Anyways, who's judging this shit? Blazekev90, kakashi owns all, and Hyuuga Neji 18?
Maybe we'll have Young Debater moderate too so he can give his ever so manga inclined insight L0l
Anyways, who's judging this shit? Blazekev90, kakashi owns all, and Hyuuga Neji 18?
Maybe we'll have Young Debater moderate too so he can give his ever so manga inclined insight L0l 
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Never got help from anyone. Don't accuse me of something I didn't do because that just makes you look like an assclown who can't accept that I countered you well in my last post but you don't want to give me credit.
Except I didn't say anything about snakes being unable to swim in my intro which is what you were quoting when you used that video as evidence. Except that whether snakes can swim or not wasn't a central part of my argument, and a point I already conceded. So you don't need to blow that out of proportion.
I didn't think even you would try to defend a notion this dumb. The lake used by a clone with 1/3rd of Kisame's power isn't a 100% Kisame's limit.
The fact that it was a copy with only 30% of Kisame's chakra eliminates the possibility of it being Kisame's limit due to chakra limitations. If you're implying that the jutsu itself has that limit, think again. The fact that water dome is a different jutsu doesn't change the fact that it's a much bigger volume of water than
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. More water = more chakra. Water dome takes way more chakra and more masterful chakra control than the water shockwave used against Gai since it involves more chakra and involves the dome literally moving with Kisame. Maintaining a massive water dome which moves with him continually drains Kisame of chakra much more quickly than having a big vat of water sit on the battlefield. It makes no sense that Kisame can make a giant volume of water move around with him but he can't make a big bathtub of water of the same volume to just sit there. I don't see your point with the word "Dai". 30% Kisame didnt use that word to describe his jutsu [
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]. That destroys your argument about the word "Dai" implying that Kisame can't make a bigger one when he didn't even say that. "Dai" doesn't even indicate a different jutsu. Oodama Rasengan and Rasengan are by their nature the same technique, one is just bigger. Same holds true here. Who's to say there's no such thing as a "Suiton - Daibakushouha"?Then there's the fact that the Kisame which spat out a lake wasn't even at 50%. Meaning a 100% Kisame could just use the same jutsu twice and make a lake that's twice as big. So I didn't even need to write that text wall when this could happen.
As for your point about Kisame being at "200%" post absorbing Bee's chakra...there's zero proof that the chakra Kisame absorbed from Bee was equal to Kisame's preexisting reserves (which are bijuu level) or that Kisame used all his chakra on water dome. A portion of that chakra was already drained to heal Kisame's wound (
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The stupidity is strong with this one. I wrote that in my SECOND post. You quoted my FIRST post saying this:
When I never compared the two techniques in my first post. At all.
Not even gonna bother...
And let me ask you...WHY WOULD ALL 1,000 SHARKS BE IN RANGE OF WIND RELEASE GREAT BREAKTHROUGH!!? It's aoe is shit!
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Nor did opening the 6th Gate even cause the water to be pushed back more than
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away from Gai. The sharks were literally
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when he released the gates. They were within range and right next to the source of the explosion which is a lot different from being barely in range of the explosion or not being in range at all. example: i can't survive a grenade if i'm 1 foot away from it prior to detonation. I can survive it if i'm 10 feet away in the outskirts of the explosion.The sharks were all
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yet Gai didn't open the 7th Gate and one shot them all. He used Asaku Jaku instead. Then on the next page he opens 7th Gate and guess what? There's still sharks in the area! [
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to support your notion that a fuuton will one shot all the sharks. Again, those were only a few sharks and there were still some in the area after that moment.-Pressure released from Gates aura >>>>>> Wind Release Great Breakthrough.
-10,000 sharks >>>> 5 sharks.
-The 5 sharks that did get killed from Gai opening 6th Gate were right next to Gai when he opened the Gate. So of course they got vaporized.
-Opening 7th Gate won't one shot all the sharks in canon. So there's absolutely nothing to discuss here.
-Still no reason for all 1,000 sharks to be in Wind Release Great Breakthrough's range.
-Still no proof of Wind Release Great Breakthrough being anywhere near the strength of Gai opening Gates. Being able to knock down a large tree > being able to blow back an enormous amount of water despite the heavy water pressure. Can't believe you're making me sift through this garbage. Oro's henchmen who were right next to him when he set off his fuuton weren't even affected. If you try arguing that's because the fuuton is a directional attack, well you just proved my point. If it's a directional attack it can't kill all the sharks that are surrounding him.
-Kisame wasn't blown back by the aura because he's more durable than his sharks.
-Again, being near the epicenter of a blast when it gets set off is different from being in its outer range.
-The fuuton would be impeded by the water pressure. Doubt it even has enough force to repel the water since it couldn't even blow Sakura backwards.
-Kisame already knew Gai could counter 5 sharks by opening 6th gate. So why did Kisame make 1000 of them against him if they could all get one shotted the same way like you're saying?
The bold is my favorite part. Lol zero evidence for that statement, and the worst part is you're backing it up with a databook hyperbole on how "it blows back everything in his line of sight". Obviously untrue seeing how Team 7 was in his line of sight and they weren't blown back (
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)."The snakes were clumped together because of gravity"...even you. Even you I didn't think would make a claim this dumb. If there are 10,000 snakes quickly gushing out of a single, tiny exit point (Orochimaru's mouth) those writhing snakes are going to get tangled together in a big clump.
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isn't different from
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. It has nothing to do with gravity. It's because of how quickly those snakes are exiting from a single point. Being in water will change very little in that regard, and they won't be able to untangle themselves and spread out faster than the water sharks can corral them. A water shark's feat of crossing Turtle Island faster than Gai did is already enough to prove the massive speed difference between fodder snakes like that (with no speed feats) and Kisame's suiton sharks in their natural environment. Posting snake facts instead of manga panels doesn't cut it. That doesn't bridge the gap in speed between the sharks and the snakes. Just goes to show how desperate you're getting.I can tell you put a lot of effort into that picture. What a damn shame that you wasted your time with that. Lol. I'm just going to list all the reasons why you're wrong.
-No feats of Hydra replicating Orochimaru's jutsu. That alone shits on your entire premise. If you claim that Hydra can use 10,000 snakes and make them simultaneously come out of each head's mouth...you'd have to claim Hydra can use Orochimaru's other oral-based ninjutsu from its mouths like Oral Rebirth, Kusanagi, extendable tongue, etc. And there's not one reason it would be able to do all that.
-Definitely no feats of Hydra using the same jutsu come out of all its mouths simultaneously.
-Sharks are still faster. So there's still nothing stopping them from swimming circles around the snakes and immobilizing them with their current. Again, you haven't proved the snakes are fast enough to spread out before they get boxed in...let alone untangle themselves from the mass that they're in first. Not to mention how much faster the jutsu execution speed of 1,000 sharks is and how they were able to spread out fast enough to where Gai couldn't kill them all with Asakujaku despite them being grouped together when Gai used the jutsu.
>Gives Hydra ability to spew snakes from all seven heads at once.
>Says 1,000 sharks can't create a current, when 5 sharks could. Because it's a "baseless claim."
The double standards are strong with this kid. Guess the incessant Orochimaru wank will never end with you.
10/10 genius strategy. Completely foolproof, it's not like SNAKES WOULD JUST FUCKIN' GET SWEPT UP BY THE CURRENT? Lmao you're really reaching kid. I've already posted scans proving that snake summons are physically very weak seen by how they were getting beat up by the likes of Part 1 Naruto. I'll post them again so you can get it through your thick skull.
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(his leg suffered no damage despite being smashed by a big snake. Meaning said snake was very weak.)Base Gai is stronger than Naruto and he was
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. 1,000 sharks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 sharks. Therefore a current created by 1,000 sharks will be much stronger than a current created by 5 sharks.
1,000 sharks current >>>>>>> 5 sharks current > Base Gai > Part 1 Naruto > Snake summon. In terms of physical strength. So those snakes get swept up by the current no difficulty. Then what does Kisame do? He swims up to the snake,
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, and sucks out their chakra through a bone, like a mosquito sucking up blood from an animal.There. Got it? I had to dumb it down for you. And to make matters worse, Orochimaru using his boss snakes to attack sharks means they're not being used to occupy Kisame. So Kisame can just focus on taking out Orochimaru instead of bothering with snakes.
Not to mention, there's Great Shark Bullet which can one shot all the fodder 10,000 snakes at once meaning Kisame doesn't even need to use suiton sharks. Or it can one shot boss snakes.
When the ViZ scan shits on your entire paragraph.
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So...half of this isn't relevant to Zetsu coming out of the water. At all. Those scans literally do nothing to support the retarded notion that Zetsu can literally merge with water using Mayfly. Show me scans of Zetsu merging with the water, oh wait there are none. See? Two can play at this game. At this point you're an angry kid in denial who can't even form a coherent argument. Demanding scans when the burden of proof is on you doesn't help your case.
Now I'm going to have to break it down for your slow ass because you can't read the manga.
We have this page:
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And we have several posibillities on what happened here: 1) Zetsu clones emerged from the ground and went up to the water's surface and 2) Zetsu literally merged with the water. The first scenario is much more likely because
-Zetsu have never shown, stated or implied to be able to merge with water. Only people that can merge with water are Hydrification users.
-They were located right on the edge of the river
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. That's a clear indication of shallow water. There is no scan of the water being shallow because the author didn't waste time drawing a panel underwater since it holds no plot relevance. So there goes your point about Zetsu coming out of the water "super fast with no lag time". Shallow water means the Zetsus didn't need to travel far at all.All I'm seeing is pure denial. "Zetsu clones are as strong as the original, prove me wrong." That's your argument right there. Only by your retarded logic would Oro's clones be as strong as he is. The only time we ever saw the original Zetsu in battle is when he got
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just like Zetsu clones were (
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) so how am I supposed to prove he's stronger? Is there any proof of Onoki's rock clones being weaker than the original? Nope, does that mean they are just as strong as the original?You didn't actually counter anything I said. Difference between original Zetsu and Zetsu clone is minimal because Zetsu are so weak already. Difference between Orochimaru and his clone would be much bigger due to chakra differences.
And yet, every single white zetsu in existence has senju DNA but they're fodder level? Seems like you don't understand that having Hashirama's DNA doesn't equate to suddenly gaining shit tons of chakra. The only Senju DNA that Orochimaru got was whatever DNA that was in that White Zetsu clone's body he took over. Yamato had Hashirama's DNA all his life but his mokuton is fodder so what's your point? And you're comparing Hashirama's cells which were injected directly into Danzo's body to...the white zetsu body that Orochimaru took over...and you're claiming...that will give him a similar chakra boost? Lol, please stop being a clown. Not only that, but it's a known fact that you need both the powers of the Senju and Uchiha to use izanagi so Hashirama's cells only augmented his ability to use those sharingans. If a White Zetsu body will give all of Oro's ninjutsu a massive boost because of Hashi DNA like you're claiming, then Danzo's fuuton and other abilities would have been amplified, except they weren't.
Too bad all that chakra is absorbed in ten seconds flat once they enter CQC. Too bad Kisame still has ten times more chakra. Too bad that playing around with V2 Bee is a way better feat than whatever Oro did with 4 tails Naruto.
A weakened Kisame escaped Turtle Island, used 1,000 suiton sharks, used GSB, tanked Hirudora, bit off his own tongue to break genjutsu, broke free of chakra supressing mokuton, and fed himself to the hungry jaws of his own sharks. Kisame is a f**king savage. He rips Orochimaru's throat out and eats his body after Samehada devours Orochimarus chakra as a light snack.
Water clones splash after one hit?
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Yeah. Log out now.
Doesn't change the fact that it's possible to make a chakra copy of Samehada exactly like Pain did. Doesn't change the fact that the chakra duplicate
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. Doesn't matter if Samehada is alive because Pein made a chakra copy using his jutsu in canon. So there's nothing stopping Kisame from making his own chakraAlready debunked this. No they wouldn't have the same durability as normal water clones. Increased chakra = increased durability, same reason why shadow clones with lots of chakra are more durable than shadow clones with little chakra. Then there's chakra absorption capabilities meaning the attacking jutsu gets absorbed before it can even do damage. Then there's the healing factor meaning whatever damage actually gets done to these clones is repaired nigh instantly. So yeah, Kisame's clones can fuse and distribute chakra however they want to.
There are no scans of him doing it because that was off panel. Kisame didn't need to give chakra to Zetsu since Zetsu could have just taken it from him.
K.
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. Kisame wasn't even looking at it because he was attacking someone else, and he still noticed it right next to his head and still was able to move his head completely to dodge it. Kisame's feat is way more impressive. @Bold by that logic you could say anything is a baseless claim since you can't measure time in a manga accurately (which isn't true). Please stfu about "baseless claims". I guess you didn't read my last post.
The strength of waves are dependant on force, not mass. The longitudinal waves produced by the snakes movements are by their nature weaker than the snake itself, so for your goldfish example, the moving hand has more force than the waves of water it creates, are you following? Same with the snakes and the water waves their movements might create. Whenbeans said:
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, that shows that he would be able to resist the much weaker force of the waves created by the snake. So Kisame who is >>>>>>> Naruto in physical strength (
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to have superhuman strength,
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, breaking free of chakra supressing wooden stocks while he's extremely weakened [
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] and not moving an inch) he'd easily be able to resist the force of waves coming at him. Your premise is especially wrong since you're assuming Kisame is just going to stand there and take it when he could be quickly swimming forward meaning that in order to knock him back the wave would have to equal his forward momentum + much much more force than the work the snake enacted on Naruto to even knock back Kisame a few feet. Kisame
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and was only knocked back a little bit, indicated by how the distance between him and Master Kin had not increased by much pre and post lariat [
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]. And that was Kisame just standing there taking the brunt of the attack instead of actively resisting by moving forward. In terms of force, V2 lariat >>>> tail whip >>>> underwater waves caused by tail whip and in terms of active resistance kisame swimming forward while fused >>> kisame standing in base and taking the attack >>> part 1 naruto standing there and stopping the attack.Not to mention the currents caused by the snakes' movements are longitudinal meaning the displacement of the medium is in the same direction as the direction of the travel of the wave. In other words it moves towards Kisame not around him meaning he can sidestep the attack. At best, the waves created by the snakes missed blows would be able to keep Kisame at bay once, then kisame evades it and is able to make contact with the snake on his second attempt or he simply powers through it. Manda is the only one that might provide any trouble, and GSB can kill it if all else fails.
Debunked.
LMAAAAAOOOO OMG THIS IS GOLD.... you posted a scan of Kisame attacking Gai and was about to land a hit on him (due to his superior striking speed) when Lee was able to intervene at the last moment while Kisame was distracted and protect his sensei!!!!! You actually just posted a very impressive speed feat of kisame, he traveled through midair and was going to smack him with Samehada before Gai could react accordingly so your post is null and void, "moot pint" as you would say HAHAHAHA! Your too busy editing images on microsoft paint and looking up snake facts that i guess you dont have any time to actually counter my arguments, very sad. RIP draegon
also when did i ever compare him to itachi or minato? lol
whether he was blitzing or not doesn't make the feat irrelevant when it's bee still has very impressive reactions without shunshin (wrecked sasuke in swordplay) yet he still wasn't able to parry Kisame literally lifting him up with Samehada and flinging him aside (
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). Not to mention Kisame already reacted to Bee's blitz in base along with 2 other attacks (
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). Bee threw a raiton vibrato sword at him, then moved to another angle and attacked from that angle using shunshin, yet both the sword he threw and Bee himself reached Kisame at the same time despite him throwing the blade prior to attacking on foot (meaning Bee was moving faster than the sword he threw, hence his incredibly fast shunshin.) This puts Kisames reactions above Taka Sasuke's. Early Shippuden Sasuke was blitzing Orochimaru left and right and casually reacting to all their attacks in their canon battle.Science videos =/= naruto manga scans. Kisame and his sharks are still much faster by feats making this point moot.
LMMFAO This post just showed you went Full Suicide mode!
K i'll agree with the point about food cart destroyer. it knocked down the kyubi's head after all.
Yomi Numa doesn't "instantly" turn the ground into mud. The fact that the snake didnt react to Yomi Numa isnt what shows the snake has terrible reactions. The fact that the snake HAD ALREADY SUNK HALFWAY INTO THE SWAMP BEFORE IT EVEN NOTICED IT WAS SINKING IS WHAT PROVES ITS SHITTY REACTIONS! Lmao the snake's exclamation mark is a clear indicator of the fact that it had
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. Those snakes were all portrayed to be on the same level and one doesnt have reaction feats that put it above the other. The 2 snakes summoned during the Sannin showdown as well as the snake Oro used in the forest of death both have equally shitty reactions and you didnt give any evidence to prove any other snake besides manda had better ones. All you showed me were science videos which dont constitute as reaction feats for boss summons.
Considering he has better feats? Yeah, he is.
The point isn't whether or not Manda was distracted since I'm not talking about Manda's reactions, I'm referring to Gamabunta's striking speed...which he executed before Manda could even snap at Katsuyu from almost no distance away (which given snakes' striking speeds, is extraordinarily fast.) The feat still stands, Gamabunta could quickly intercept.
Yeah I already factored in the fact that it was a feint. Gamabunta still reacted to it meaning Kisame does so with much less difficulty. And Kisame won't fall for feints like that. @Bold how does it even matter that Gai wasnt running? He was catapulted by Bee and was traveling through the air extremely fast then used a turtle as a stepping stone, jumping off it with so much force that it let him cross the remainder of the journey in one leap. Kisame's head start is a negligible difference since it was mere seconds and
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AND ON TOP OF THAT KISAME HAD ALREADY SUMMONED A SHARK AND WAS SENDING IT OFF WHEN GAI ARRIVED AT THE SCENE (
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). @Underline ViZ already debunked your idiotic statement. lol. Mandas mass is nothing before kisames chakra absorption capabilities and its striking speed is still far to slow to catch Kisame. Not to mention the underwater waves are either easily avoided or simply powered through as I explained a couple paragraphs above.Kisame has better reactions than Deva and 3 toads aren't far off from manda's striking speed and far above any other of Orochimaru's snakes.
Bones do not ignore freaking chakra cloaks, now you're really reaching. Bee vs Kisame's head butt doesn't hold a shred of relevance to that considering Samehada absorbed his cloak before their heads made contact (
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) it absorbed the cloak off him via Samehada making contact with Bee's sword. I've pointlessly argued with you for two posts now about an obvious feat from Kisame's bones and you're in denial screaming about how it didn't do it, making up excuses and trying to downplay the feat. is there a single shred of evidence pointing toward the bones not piercing? Nope.LAdies and gentlemen this is what we call desperate reaching. It's canon fact that
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after a few seconds of Samehada absorbing his chakra which was not leaking in any way and Samehada never pierced his skin either. After Bee catapulted Gai away he then collapsed
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. Yeah, Kisame's bones have the better feats and piercing power. Buntas sword is a simple machine (wedge) that is much bigger so it can exert force over a wider area doing more work. That doesnt mean its penetrative force is stronger, Kisame's bones would have no problem piercing Shukaku's body either so you have no point here. Bee's limbs were cut by metal shuriken and his other tentacles so i'm not seeing how cutting off shukakus limb is supposed to be some extraordinary feat. It's literally made of sand.
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The fact that Kisame has never stabbed a boss summon in the eye (or even been in a fight with a boss summon for that matter) doesn't constitute as proof that he can't do it. Whereas unless you can somehow prove an eyelid is more durable than a V1 Jin cloak...we have nothing to discuss here. Those snakes get blinded.
I clearly showed you two links comparing the two to a boss toad and proving they are around the same size. I didn't think I'd literally have to draw this out for you but your reading comprehension sucks so maybe pictures will work better.
Boss toad compared to snake in question.
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Boss toad compared to a snake that you said was 5 times bigger.
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There's clearly not a significant difference in size.
-You can't prove that snake was weaker than any of Oro's boss snakes bar Manda.
-Never claimed Kisame would be able to physically overpower Manda or Hydra. He can absorb their chakras, through Samehada or Great Shark Bullet if needed.
You didn't actually back up anything here with evidence and I've already countered these claims. So you have no argument in this paragraph.Your entire first post was basically shit as seen in this post when you did exactly what I told you to do; START OVER!
Almost every scan here you used out of context.
[
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] Samehada didn't even make contact with Asuma so moot point.[
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] Samehada doesn't automatically absorb chakra on contact, absorption needs to be activated either by Kisame or Samehada, similar to Preta Path (
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.) In that instance Kisame didn't activate Samehada's absorption because he didn't think it necessary and Samehada itself did not use absorption because Asuma's chakra was not at all powerful or appealing.[
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] Samehada didn't actually make contact with Asuma so moot point.[
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] Samehada didn't actually make contact with the toad so moot point.[
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] Absoportion wasn't activated. Kisame couldn't activate it because he wasn't in contact with his blade and Samehada didn't activate absorption because it wasn't hungry for Gai's chakra.So now that I've countered those horribly misinterpreted scans I'll show you one scan that shits on your premise.
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No leaking chakra there.
This...this isn't an argument. There's nothing to counter here because you didn't explain how he deals with the sharks.
First and foremost, you still couldn't give a counter to Kisame poking out their eyes. So you basically conceded and this point goes to me.
Second I asked you a few months ago if you were interested in joining a Jiraiya fan group because I knew you liked that character. Can't see how you're taking offense to that.
Third I never bumped your old threads.
Fourth don't call me chica.
Didn't think I'd literally have to quote my first post but I guess this is what happens when I try arguing with an idiot.
Yep. Literally only time I even incorporated that into my argument was when discussing the 10,000 fodder snakes since I agreed from the beginning that Oro's big snakes could swim just fine. And the fodder snakes can still be easily dealt with by either suiton sharks or GSB as I explained in this post and my second one.
That's right 89% of this debate has been me reiterating why you're wrong and you stubbornly denying manga facts.
Guess you conceded your original statement about Gamabunta being the size of the water dome, huh? That was too retarded even for you Lol. Haha. No. You're still wrong about snake summons crowding up water dome restricting Kisame's movements. I'm going to list the reasons why one by one.
1. "near view" or "far view" doesn't change the relative size of the objects in comparison to trees. Here:
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(you used this scan yourself so you can't complain about perspective when it's pretty damn accurate.) Now take the near view of trees compared to boss toads.1.
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(bottom left)2.
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It's clear which one is bigger. By a large margin.
2. The fact that Ponta fell out of the "curving point" as you call it just shows how big the water dome actually is seen by how its the curving point is exactly at the bottom of the dome.
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That's the part where Ponta fell out.
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and he still had a distance to fall before he reached the treeline much less reached the ground.3. You're comparing the very large and tall Coniferous trees at Bee and Kisame's location to the much smaller Deciduous trees around Konohas bordering forests!
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It's clear the trees where Bee and Kisame were fighting were much bigger and taller.
4. You're saying Orochimaru will be able to have Manda, Hydra, multiple boss snakes, and 10,000 fodder snakes out all at the same time? Manda alone takes a lot of chakra to summon, and your claiming Orochimaru can have all his summons out at the same time in addition to Hydra and other snakes? Lol!!
Kisame easily outlasts Oro.
-They both have regenerative powers, Samehada's healing and Oro's white snake regen powers like oral rebirth. So neither of them are losing from physical exhaustion. After all Samehada can
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a.-Kisame is a durability beast and if it becomes a drawn out battle he will have to use his healing powers less than Oro will have to use his regenerative powers.
-Kisames healing takes a lot less chakra than Oro's regeneration like Oral rebirth which
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. When Samehada healed Kisame it did not shrink in size [
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]-[
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] even though Samehada's size is proportional to the amount of chakra it has [
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] indicating that it did not take a significant amount of chakra to heal him.-Kisame's chakra reserves >>>>> Orochimaru's chakra reserves. Please do not make me post scans proving this when it's common knowledge that Kisame has bijuu level reserves and his feats shit on oro's feats: spitting out a lake, making 3 water clones, using suiton sharks while only at 30% chakra; and using 1,000 suiton sharks and great shark bullet without Samehada's chakra while in a weakened state.
-As the battle goes on
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. Kisame does not tire, kisame does not fall. As the battle goes on he will be hitting licks on the chakra of snake summons and taking it for himself. Samehada converts it into stamina or he can use it for ninjutsu or healing himself. This is a battle where Kisame can drag it out for as long as he wants and in the end he can easily triumph by outlasting with his superior chakra.No those snakes are fodder. Kisame kills them. Or his sharks do. "No diff."
Already debunked.
Lol, oh boy.
Orochimaru isn't bisecting Kisame with Kusanagi when he couldn't even put down Tsunade with Kusanagi. Samehada instantly heals damage and Kisame can just snatch it with his hands [
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] stopping its momentum (his reaction feats allow him to do so easily as well as avoid Kusanagi straight up.)Orochimaru has to physically touch Kisame to transform into him. This battle ends in Kisame's victory when it comes down to CQC, which it inevitably will. Kisame and Oro can exchange hits and whereas Kisame can tank and heal from them, Orochimaru cannot tank chakra absorption which leaves him dead. Literally the act of touching Kisame to copy his chakras means his own chakras get drained at an even faster rate! This strategy is such a fail. Not only is it impossible for Oro to transform into Hanzo but fused Kisame is much much much faster than Hanzo underwater. Taking the databook translation of "Hanzo being fastest in the water" literally is totally wrong on so many levels especially since that databook was released before Kisame Shark Mode was even introduced. By your logic Hanzo is faster than Kaguya underwater because databook said hes fastest in the water.
Oro binding Kisame with snakes? When even
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Your desperation is getting to a whole other level. Kisame rips those snakes in half, bites their heads off, slices them apart with his bones etc. The exact same situation will go down as when Bee wrapped Kisame in his tentacles, they are ineffective towards him and the whole time Orochimaru gets his chakra drained.Oro gets his head close to deliver CM? Bone sprouting from Kisames body goes straight up his mouth as he attempted to deliver the bite. Or Kisame rips his head off. Your pick. Cut his head off with Kusanagi? Not likely since Kusanagis power lies in its piercing abilities, not its slicing abilities. Orochimaru has to turn his head to move his sword in a slicing motion so its slicing capabilities are only as strong as Oro's neck muscles which is what that motion is reliant on. Not enough to do significant damage to someone as durable as Kisame. Especially not when there's Samehada's healing factor which repairs damage nigh instantly since the two are fused. Water dilutes poison already countered. Kisame would tear off the binding snakes and get the heal out of there waaaaaaaaaay before Orochimaru can fully transform into hydra mode.
Lol the fact that Samehada eats all of Oro's chakra as a light snack.
Orochimaru can physically touch Kisame to begin transforming but then gets his chakra completely drained on contact.
No you are retarded not to get it Kisame simply powers through it or evades the currents. Explained a couple paragraphs above.
Oh wait...but when a HEALTHY Kisame was kicked by Gai he easily countered and wasn't flung back at all?
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I had to quote myself and repeat myself since you didn't counter it the first time around. You obviously didnt see my quote when you responded to my last post.
1. Half that post was assumptions. I didnt change my argument because I was using the strategy of Kisame shooting GSB down on Hydra from directly above from my first post. This is a full intel fight in case your forgetting and Kisame can predict Orochimaru would attempt to block it so he'd make sure to he gets a clear shot at Hydra so he can execute this strategy by shooting off shark bullets from different angles. and theres also the fact that Orochimaru can't differentiate between Kisame and his clones so he won't know where to summon the snake in order to block GSB. And theres nothing wrong with changing my strategy if i wanted to since your premises have multiple counters and i'm not even listing them all. BTW who is to say the shark wouldn't just rip through the snake and continue its forward linear motion? The way it will go is this: GSB makes contact with the snake and sinks its teeth into it then sucks its chakra out as its "fangs shred the enemy to pieces" (direct quote from databook.) Next the shark will swallow the snake
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and suck its chakra out. Next the snake will die because it will have no chakra left. Next the snake disappears in a puff of smoke. THEN, the shark missile continues traveling forward (having gotten bigger and more powerful from the snake's chakra that it just absorbed) and then do the same thing to Hydra!2. OK.
3. Ok I'm reading the databook for that jutsu and it says it bursts towards the target its aimed at which implies it is indeed a linear jutsu so i can agree with this. However the problem with your Hydra strategy...is that Hydra can't even touch Kisame. It's literally a big ass slow snake that can't reach Kisame if hes out of range. Fact 1: it needs to stay on the seabed (AKA the ground) if Oro wants to succesfully use his rashomon strategy (gates cant rise up out of the ground to save oro if he is completely surrounded by an expanse of water on all sides.) Fact 2: Even if Hydra was somehow able to swim after Kisame, the shark man is much faster so he can swim away and then
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with GSB. Fact 3: Oro's zetsu clones are too weak to do a thing to kisame so he remains safe. Fact 4.....KISAME CAN FREAKIN' OUTLAST HYDRA EASILY. No way in hell is Oro maintaining that mode without running out of chakra quickly forcing him to revert to his normal form. not to mention Kisame outlasts Orochimaru anyway since he has shiitloads more chakra and stamina than him (covered this a few paragraphs back). So Oro going hydra mode is absolutely useless when he cant do a thing to kisame who can just stay out of range and outlasts with ease.1. Quote from jutsu databook entry: "it's bottomless appetite is sated by it's fangs shredding the enemy to pieces". Dont need feats of it chewing something into pieces when databook says it can.
2. He takes out the boss snakes as the water sharks keep Orochimaru busy, a premise which you couldn't counter for two posts already.
3. No. Proved this point wrong in my last post and I proved you wrong on this point again at the beginning of this post. "Give it up already"
4. Fact of the manga WATER CLONES DONT GO "POOF" AFTER ONE HIT DUMBAZZ (
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) especially not clones fused with Samehada and having more chakra than ordinary water clones since Kisame can distribute their chakra however he pleases via his sword. And more chakra per clone = higher durability per clone. As proved by how shadow clones can take more damage the more chakra they have individually. So not only do Kisames clones have more chakra, speed, healing abilities, sensing abilities, physical strength....THEY HAVE CHAKRA ABSORPTION ABILITIES ON CONTACT TOO! (
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) Just like the original kisame. Your clones get completely outclassed lol. 5. Lol
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. Derp derp retard! You cant read manga for shit. Hidden snake hands are fodder in front of kisame who can rip them off his body with his hands or shred them apart with his bones. Already countered curse mark like three times. if Oro gets his head near to deliver the bite Kisame sprouts a bone from his body and shoves it up Oro's mouth, all the while Oro is getting his chakra absorbed. Actually your snake hands strategy is beyond stupid since making contact with Kisames body just means those snakes get their chakra absorbed and die in seconds. So no counter huh? Your premise of it "bouncing off hydra's body because it's water" just went out the door. Just because the jutsu themselves are different doesnt mean some properties of the suiton aren't the same.
Suiton sharks were portrayed to be able to bite ordinary humans with their jaws (
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) hence why Kisame said "
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" Scale that up and it's pretty obvious a massive shark as big as Hydra should be at least capable of sinking its teeth into snake meat/flesh. That, and the databook states its fangs can shred the enemy into pieces.Too late for what? When did I disown my post? What's wrong with comparing Shark Mode Kisame to Byakogou Tsunade, when not only is he far more durable but his healing abilities are superior to Byakogou considering it healed a V2 Lariat with ease? (which created a gaping hole in Kisame's stomach, Byakogou users have never healed an injury of that level). Already addressed your head slice strategy, when Kusanagi is used in a slicing motion the only force behind it is the force of Orochimaru's neck muscles, not nearly enough force to decapitate a fused Kisame who
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so decapitation isnt an option. Kusanagis power lies in its piercing abilities, but Oro is never landing a Kusanagi head shot on Kisame when he noticed Bee's raiton vibrato pencil as it was right next to his head and was still able to dodge it completely. Kisames reactions when underwater and fused with Samehada are improved much more due to
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so he has no problem avoiding Kusanagi. A kusanagi wound dealt to any other part of his body is healed rather easily considering its DC is poor.The hypocrisy is real with this kid. Says I disown my points but when I utterly shat on his "Absorption=absorption" point he gave up on it and instead spouts the nonsense he just said above...which isn't even relevant to his premise about absorption canceling out other chakra absorption. I guess you concede this point. Lol
-Hydra can't get a hold of Kisame.
-You should take a look at what you said in literally the last paragraph. You gave up on your point so you decided to spout irrelevant BS instead so you wouldn't lose face.
Orochimaru's fangs aren't even capable of piercing Kisamehada's shark skin. Asuma's knife
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. Tenten's explosion
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. Bee's sword
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. A giant axe
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. Log out if you think Orochimaru's puny fangs can pierce fused Shark Mode Kisame who has Samehada's durability on top of his own. Kisame didn't survive Afternoon Tiger for no reason. He's really durable.Also again, like I've said 2 or 3 times now and you're seeming to ignore...Orochimaru getting his head close to Kisame is suicide since when he gets his head close to deliver the curse mark Kisame, a bone gets shoved up his mouth and brains him through the head. Or Kisame catches his head in his hands and rips his head off. His reactions easily permit him to do this.
Weak, defeated points that I've debunked time and time again.
Absolutely everything you've said has been countered.
Oro's poison blood is invisible? You sound dumb as f*ck not even knowing how the jutsu of your own character work! It isn't visible only after it vaporizes with the air (
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) its liquid form is clearly visible and this is underwater so no blood-to-air contact is happening. Doesn't matter if Oro has a lot of poison, since Kisame has a SHITTTTTT TON of water to dilute it with so obviously the poison gets diluted to such a low level that it wont affect kisame and definitely not restrain him. Smh you're really reaching.Came up, that's all me
Stay true, that's all me
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I'm not seeing any counters, or anything relevant to the debate at hand so there's nothing for me to say here.Ive literally posted evidence from manga and databook to debunk your entire post yet again. And not only have I proven you wrong numerous times, I even made you switch your strategy 10 times with out you knowing you did. That would mean you are lost inside my MANSION and you are a lost puppy looking for a way out just to survive. But ofc that would also mean your post is null and void since you keep switch what you would do assuming you know my next move and how i would operate in my head.
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Your post fails hard since snakes can't transform into something significantly bigger than themselves (hence Manda is not turning into Manda 2). Otherwise I could just claim that Kisame transforms into Manda 2 and overpowers all the other snakes. See what I did there? Other boss snakes using transformation techniques doesn't make them any less fodder than they already are nor does transforming into a shark let it swim and operate underwater just like a normal shark. It's still a weak ass snake and Kisame deals with it accordingly then sucks its chakra out. Uprooting trees doesn't do shit. Fodder snakes can't transform into literal water which is semitransparent like all suiton sharks are so differentiating between them is easy.I'll add to the onslaught!
ZOru clone's and Boss summon's use aYou must be registered for see linksto transform into:
Manda transforms into: Manda II, to overpower everything in it's path!
Other boss snake transforms into: a Giant Shark (too munch the smaller sharks no diff in gulps!)
Other boss snake transforms into: The Kyubi to create a Ruckus with it's tails and mouth
With Zestu having the ability to transform to almost anything plus Oru's chakra plus Henge with a Summoning uses the Summons chakra and not the summoner, this tactic will go smooth off with the other Giant snakes aiding as well. Manda and Co can choose when to incorporate this tactic.
We also have the fact that with the smaller snakes the combo henge or a simple henge can turn them into kisames sharks with his same chakra so he wont be able to tell from the real ones and then sneak attack him with out him expecting a thing!
We will also have a Snake and Oru at the bottom Uproot as many Trees as possible from the ground to float in the Dome cause massive debris and Escape routes for my entire Team. I'll explain later what will happen next..
After every post I make I will keep adding to the slaughter the true outs I have create since the very first move I made.
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Debating with you is like arguing with a brick wall. I'm not posting again, I've thoroughly addressed all your strategies and counter them but you continue to stubbornly repeat the same defeated points. And this debate just keeps getting longer and longer. I don't have the time to respond and repeatedly counter the same stuff over and over again. This debate is ready to be judged, so let's find some judges. If you post again, I'm not even going to waste my time reading it (we never decided on a set amount of posts and you ignored me when I brought it up so we'll leave it at 3 posts each which is standard.)
As for judges, people who I will NOT accept as judges: kakashi owns all, Hyuuga Neji 18, blazekev90, Bronze, and neosmith500. Because they're biased as hell. Some UNBIASED judges that I would like to suggest are Xlad, Transcendance, Zi Yu, Kifflom, Haizaki, Forbidden Technique, TheAncientCenturion Sublime Green Beast, Owarij, -6 Paths-, Izanami and those are just naming a few. DraeGod ignored my PMs and my posts about deciding on judges so we still haven't gotten around to getting some.
