Madara used Susanoo without eyes, eh? How?

[XY iNVeRSe]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Literally 100% speculation.

no its common sense U_U

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

That's because he actually had an eye to use it. You didn't see him using the long-range one, do you? Besides that, other techniques besides Susano'o don't require the special chakra once already unlocked. Kakashi could use Kamui without an Uchiha brain. He was able to again in the fight against Kaguya because his brain/mind, which Obito entered, produced the latter's chakra.

Susano'o(No eye contact) = Once Awakened + Original Chakra
Amaterasu(Eye contact) = Once Awakened + Eye Contact

This means Amaterasu could be used by Naruto if he stole Sasuke's eyes, but Susano'o could not, because he doesn't have Sasuke's special chakra.

Still doesn't explained why his eyes hurt while using susanoo. For the uchiha, eyes don't hurt if you're using chidori. Eyes don't hurt for other characters when they're running out of chakra. Eyes hurt when you're overusing it for MS jutsu.. Eyes hurt when you use Amaterasu, tsukuyomi and Susanoo

 

[Draphsin]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Eyes are not everything. Eyes are special in Naruto. Specially for the Uchiha. And for the MS users. Too much MS spam = blood in eyes= blindness

Other parts of body hurting is a side effect. Susanoo hurts eyes like other MS jutsu (tsukuyomi and amaterasu). Obvious connection

Can you give me a scan of susanoo ever causing an eye to bleed?

Susanoo puts strain on everything, just because the eyes are part of that strain doesn't mean that you need eyes to use it, there is nothing in the manga that suggests such a thing.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Still doesn't explained why his eyes hurt while using susanoo. For the uchiha, eyes don't hurt if you're using chidori. Eyes don't hurt for other characters when they're running out of chakra. Eyes hurt when you're overusing it for MS jutsu.. Eyes hurt when you use Amaterasu, tsukuyomi and Susanoo

susanoo is a power that comes from your eyes once awakend.

after that its all a chakra thing.

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Still doesn't explained why his eyes hurt while using susanoo. For the uchiha, eyes don't hurt if you're using chidori. Eyes don't hurt for other characters when they're running out of chakra. Eyes hurt when you're overusing it for MS jutsu.. Eyes hurt when you use Amaterasu, tsukuyomi and Susanoo

The very fact that Susano'o causes blindness completely shuts down their argument anyway.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Can you give me a scan of susanoo ever causing an eye to bleed?

Susanoo puts strain on everything, just because the eyes are part of that strain doesn't mean that you need eyes to use it, there is nothing in the manga that suggests such a thing.

i agree

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pain isnt just caused to the eyes.

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[Joseph Gomes]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

The very fact that Susano'o causes blindness completely shuts down their argument anyway.

Exactly. Their desperation is real when they try to defend a plothole with assumptions.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Why could blind madara use susanno?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara use kamui as a juubi jin when obito couldn't?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara keep his double ms/ems even though he used izanagi?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara tank yfrs but couldn't tank chidori true spear or obito's bare fist?
Because he's madara.


Need I go on?

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

you need eyes to awaken susanoo, not just use it.

 

[Prog]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Sasuke only had MS when Susanoo strained his eyes. Maybe that's why. Madara was used to using EMS, maybe EMS enhances the user's overall chakra control or something to that effect.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Why could blind madara use susanno?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara use kamui as a juubi jin when obito couldn't?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara keep his double ms/ems even though he used izanagi?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara tank yfrs but couldn't tank chidori true spear or obito's bare fist?
Because he's madara.


Need I go on?

1. you need eyes to awaken susanoo, not just use it
2. because madara was a perfect jin
3. he didnt
4. he didn't tank it, he got split in half lol

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Still doesn't explained why his eyes hurt while using susanoo. For the uchiha, eyes don't hurt if you're using chidori. Eyes don't hurt for other characters when they're running out of chakra. Eyes hurt when you're overusing it for MS jutsu.. Eyes hurt when you use Amaterasu, tsukuyomi and Susanoo

:facepalm:

Uchiha Brains Produce Special Chakra


Chidori Does Not Use Special Chakra
>Chidori Does Not Harm Eyes

Amaterasu Uses Special Chakra
Special Chakra Must Be Transferred To Eyes
>Eyes Bleed
>Eyes Ache

Susano'o Uses Special Chakra
Special Chakra Does Not Have To Be Transferred
Large Amount Is Required
>Every Cell Aches(Including Eyes)
>Not Experienced, Therefore Sasuke Lacks The Ability To Use It Without Eyes

I'm guessing Sasuke and Madara using the Rinnegan's abilities without theirs eyes(enabled) are asspulls too?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Why could blind madara use susanno?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara use kamui as a juubi jin when obito couldn't?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara keep his double ms/ems even though he used izanagi?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara tank yfrs but couldn't tank chidori true spear or obito's bare fist?
Because he's madara.


Need I go on?

Not to quote myself but this could be a meme.

 

[Scryed]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Not so sure how it works but I'm guessing that Susanoo could still be used without eyes but not at full power.

For example, Madara using legged Susanoo instead of pulling out his PS.

Apparently, Susanoo with MS makes every cell in your body hurt or something along those lines so not just the eyes.

 

[Aznkidd]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Exactly.

The very fact that the most devoted fans have to come up with the most convoluted scenarios just to justify a single ability means it was bad writing at the very best.

I see you clearly didnt read the manga or just skip to the combat part. Kishi has introduced the concept of how ninja turn into ghost, their jutsu... bla bla bla in both anime and manga for decade. Every single thing that happened in the last arc are just logic and based on everything that happened before. If you miss any part please go reread the manga/anime before u making any stupid comments.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

1. you need eyes to awaken susanoo, not just use it
2. because madara was a perfect jin
3. he didnt
4. he didn't tank it, he got split in half lol

1. No u need it to use it.
2.both were perfect jins.
3.he did. He died with ems fighting hashirama, came back with a timed izanagi(look here's another one) didn't lose his eye, turned both to rinnegan, and gave it to nagato.
4. He tanked.

 

[VongolaX]

Easy

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[The Necromancer]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

I see you clearly didnt read the manga or just skip to the combat part. Kishi has introduced the concept of how ninja turn into ghost, their jutsu... bla bla bla in both anime and manga for decade. Every single thing that happened in the last arc are just logic and based on everything that happened before. If you miss any part please go reread the manga/anime before u making any stupid comments.

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Kamui causes bodily strain. Kamui can be used without eyes.

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I'm done with you, child. I don't need to justify what can clearly only be explained through convoluted conjecture.

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Why could blind madara use susanno?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara use kamui as a juubi jin when obito couldn't?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara keep his double ms/ems even though he used izanagi?
Because he's madara.
Why could madara tank yfrs but couldn't tank chidori true spear or obito's bare fist?
Because he's madara.


Need I go on?

Because you only need to awaken and master the eyes to use it.

Obito was never shown unable to teleport. He just couldn't phase. Terrible question.

He didn't. He was shown revived with his eye blind. Awakening the Rinnegan recovered his light.

We couldn't see his body where he could've been cut.

 

[Demonic.]

So base Itachi can use Susano? 0.0 Op!