Madara used Susanoo without eyes, eh? How?

[VongolaX]

Good explanation bro. Why the **** nobody bothered explaining this so simply

Senju dna is a good explanation. Still an asspull but explain the stuff nevertheless

Did Indra really use susanoo with 3T? Damn, I will never take any statements too literally from now on :|

Ya:

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In the flashback of Hagoromoo

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Straining chakra for two things at the same time, concentrating on two tasks at the same time, multitasking = exhaustion. Brain connects everything and pressure and clots in eye region can make you go blind. And frankly you are over thinking it. You do reaize what you are reading is essentially a comic and not a science journal, are you?

Would you tell me how the one legged person can run without losing his balance or slowing down?

As a person who enjoys debating on comic and manga, I find necessary to scrutinize intricate matters

No worries, I already got an answer from Variabossx.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Ya:

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In the flashback of Hagoromoo

Did th manga say whether Indra unlocked MS before using susanoo? Otherwise its a MASSIVE retcon :|

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

As a person who enjoys debating on comic and manga, I find necessary to scrutinize intricate matters

No worries, I already got an answer from Variabossx.

Accepting Hashirama's cells as an answer makes me want to argue with you against how that doesn't support my idea. :\

 

[Avani]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

As a person who enjoys debating on comic and manga, I find necessary to scrutinize intricate matters

No worries, I already got an answer from Variabossx.

You didn't even bother to read the manga properly to find those scans yourself and consider them in your OP. Scrutinize my foot. Let's be honest- You only like to complain based on what other people like you say instead of checking out the actual manga, or feeling the atmosphere within it or trying to find an answer to questions yourself before asking others' opinion.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Post a video and we will see how fast you hop and for how long and how much balance you can keep if someone decides to fight you like that.

My point was simply that when you are talking about a definite verse things are explained according to rules of that verse only. It's pointless to try to fit regular science into it. If you don't like the rules of the verse you pick something.

I take it you didn't get the joke....
Ihop.
International house of pancakes

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

You didn't even bother to read the manga properly to find those scans yourself and consider them in your OP. Scrutinize my foot. Let's be honest- You only like to complain based on what other people like you say instead of checking out the actual manga.

Lol you have no right to say that because you couldn't provide the scan which variabossx provided. Senju dna is the solution to this asspull of Madara

BTW, I only accepted Variabossx's answer because I liked his interpretation, which fills the plot hole in a rather ridiculous manner. The answer you provided were simply assumptions. Senju dna is the plot tool here. It's not a definitive answer but acceptable nevertheless

You lectured me about interpretation earlier, right? You should understand now what I am trying to say

 

[VongolaX]

Did th manga say whether Indra unlocked MS before using susanoo? Otherwise its a MASSIVE retcon :|

Manga never said any about Indra using MS

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He was using 3 tomoe

 

[Avani]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

I take it you didn't get the joke....
Ihop.
International house of pancakes

Hmm I did miss it. English is my third language and I don't speak it ever unless on internet. So I have no idea what you mean. 'Will google it later when I get time.

 

[Shanks]

Manga for last 20 chapter was going with no logic..

First thing what Op said was right :
1) Obito was a Juubi Jin why was he not able to use Kamui . Madara used it easily

2) Susanoo was one of the MS techniques it is activated along with amaterasu and Tsukiyomi . Sasuke was overusing his eyes when he was using Susanoo People cannot deny this . Even Tobirama explained this scenerio . Brain activates eye to operate the Sharigan Technique . There is no logical explanation till now how Madara got his susanoo without his eyes it certainly is asspull no denying done by kishi.

3)OT: This is out of shot answer i don't believe this is right since Madara was Second Sage of Six path he should get his power back when he is alive. The same thing obito gave his powers to Kakashi to use his Susanoo powers .

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Manga never said any about Indra using MS

But if you find clear picture of this:

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He was using 3 tomoe

Mother of God :|

I feel bad coz Kishi retconned Sasuke's statement

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Makes me wonder why people put so much effort into explaining some plot holes

Thanks a lot for clearing this one bro! Senju dna magic does wonders indeed XD

 

[Holy God]

Mother of God :|

I feel bad coz Kishi retconned Sasuke's statement

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Makes me wonder why people put so much effort into explaining some plot holes

Thanks a lot for clearing this one bro! Senju dna magic does wonders indeed XD

da...dafuq.
Why do you think Hashirama's DNA would allow Madara to use Susano'o without eyes? Because of magic?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Manga for last 20 chapter was going with no logic..

First thing what Op said was right :
1) Obito was a Juubi Jin why was he not able to use Kamui . Madara used it easily

2) Susanoo was one of the MS techniques it is activated along with amaterasu and Tsukiyomi . Sasuke was overusing his eyes when he was using Susanoo People cannot deny this . Even Tobirama explained this scenerio . Brain activates eye to operate the Sharigan Technique . There is no logical explanation till now how Madara got his susanoo without his eyes it certainly is asspull no denying done by kishi.

3)OT: This is out of shot answer i don't believe this is right since Madara was Second Sage of Six path he should get his power back when he is alive. The same thing obito gave his powers to Kakashi to use his Susanoo powers .

Lol, Bro you should definitely make a thread about the 3rd point ! Kishi loves to throw statements around, doesn't he?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

da...dafuq.
Why do you think Hashirama's DNA would allow Madara to use Susano'o without eyes? Because of magic?

I don't personally get the connection between senju dna and susanoo, but if Madara says senju dna does wonders I will take his words.

 

[Avani]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Lol you have no right to say that because you couldn't provide the scan which variabossx provided. Senju dna is the solution to this asspull of Madara

BTW, I only accepted Variabossx's answer because I liked his interpretation, which fills the plot hole in a rather ridiculous manner. The answer you provided were simply assumptions. Senju dna is the plot tool here. It's not a definitive answer but acceptable nevertheless

You lectured me about interpretation earlier, right? You should understand now what I am trying to say

Oh I understand you well enough- no one can remember all the pages all the time but I am not claiming to scrutinizing a work, am I? Nor I am expecting others to explain things for me without even bothering to find something myself. You made the claim. So the onus of doing your homework falls on you.

 

[VongolaX]

Mother of God :|

I feel bad coz Kishi retconned Sasuke's statement

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Makes me wonder why people put so much effort into explaining some plot holes

Thanks a lot for clearing this one bro! Senju dna magic does wonders indeed XD

No problemo my good sir...

One thing....

Indra didn't have the senju dna, he inherited the gift and genes from the sage.

He straight up god rikudou chakra by genetics, so he doesn't go through that complex system the uchiha's have.

Like Sasuke needing the rinnegan for PS yet Obito/Kakashi who only have a little piece of rikudou chakra can use Perfext Susanoo.

 

[Shanks]

Lol, Bro you should definitely make a thread about the 3 point ! Kishi loves to throw statements around, doesn't he?

Since you made it already i don't need to make it again . He should have made Obito Villain btw i really liked him as tobi . I did not like how kishi overused the Rin plot too much .

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Oh I understand you well enough- no one can remember all the pages all the time but I am not claiming to scrutinizing a work, am I? Nor I am expecting others to explain things for me without even bothering to find something myself. You made the claim. So the onus of doing your homework falls on you.

I do scrutinize actually. Its just Variabossx's explanation seemed sensible to me. If somebody wants to deny Variabossx's words, she/he may well do so. I just liked his interpretation of how senju dna could somehow affect susanoo. There is no absolute explanation for this

Whatever please you mind Lol

No problemo my good sir...

One thing....

Indra didn't have the senju dna, he inherited the gift and genes from the sage.

He straight up god rikudou chakra by genetics, so he doesn't go through that complex system the uchiha's have.

Like Sasuke needing the rinnegan for PS yet Obito/Kakashi who only have a little piece of rikudou chakra can use Perfext Susanoo.

Hmm. What is the matter with susanoo anyway? Seems the only MS jutsu thats affected by non-uchiha chakra/dna. What's the deal with susanoo? Also remember susanoo used hand seal for tengai shinsei. I still don't have any explanation for that.

 

[VongolaX]

I guess it's Sasuke's word for it in comparison to manga process.

Itachi said tysukyomi and Amatersu for Susanoo, then Sasuke happened.

Perfect Susanoo was said to be of EMS, but turns that wasn't the case and two people used it.

Even Sasuke wasn't sure how Kakashi was able to use it:

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so Sasuke was speaking on the behalf of pure uchihas no senju/juubi upgrade.

Since senju DNA combine with his uchiha genes, Madara obtain a certain level of rikudou chakra to use Susanoo while blind.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Since you made it already i don't need to make it again . He should have made Obito Villain btw i really liked him as tobi . I did not like how kishi overused the Rin plot too much .

Had rin not been there at all, Obito would be my favourite character in Naruto...but Rin really screwed him up. Starting a war for a single dead girl?

Tobi rocks. Obito not so much
Pain rocks. Nagatonot so much

Naruto is also to be blamed for TNJ which exposedd their weak will as villains :|