Madara used Susanoo without eyes, eh? How?

[The Necromancer]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

A requires much less chakra than the new level of Susano'o he was just trying to access. The chakra he had was not sufficient to keep it up, and needed up costing him some of his sight.

So you believe ribcage susano'o has no effect on eyesight because it takes little chakra...?

 

[Antichrist]

Karin healed Sasuke ... yet he lost his Susanoo when he becomes blind

 

[SatchiZurake]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Thank. You.

Let's just get this out there. After Madara was revived via Rinne Tensei (and probably some time before that) this manga stopped taking place in an intricate world full of small details and a very well explained science behind every little technique and all feats/limitations went out the window. Everyone had unlimited chakra for like the last 20 chapters and anyone could use any technique without any practice at all and there was no need to forgo any actual medical procedure to just pluck someone else's eye out and pop it in your own eye ball because ASSPULL mode was turned on.

/rant over.

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

So you believe ribcage susano'o has no effect on eyesight because it takes little chakra...?

It does, but since it doesn't require much, less strain is put on the eyes. You'd go blind far faster using a Perfect Susano'o continuously then the ribcage.

 

[Shanks]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Sorry there is no answer to this question. Kishi wrote himself corner with madara. This is a good thread. there is no answer for kamui..

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

It does, but since it doesn't require much, less strain is put on the eyes. You'd go blind far faster using a Perfect Susano'o continuously then the ribcage.

So how does tie in to the fact that Madara used it while having no physical eyes within his skull?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

It does, but since it doesn't require much, less strain is put on the eyes. You'd go blind far faster using a Perfect Susano'o continuously then the ribcage.

You go blind by something which you don't even need to activate?! Why? Sounds like an asspull to me

Yep, it's an asspull alright

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

So how does tie in to the fact that Madara used it while having no physical eyes within his skull?

His brain produces the special chakra needed to use the technique. If experienced enough, it wouldn't have to be outputted through the eyes because it does not require eye contact. If Kishimoto thought it wasn't reasonable, he wouldn't have wrote the story out that way.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Thank. You.

Let's just get this out there. After Madara was revived via Rinne Tensei (and probably some time before that) this manga stopped taking place in an intricate world full of small details and a very well explained science behind every little technique and all feats/limitations went out the window. Everyone had unlimited chakra for like the last 20 chapters and anyone could use any technique without any practice at all and there was no need to forgo any actual medical procedure to just pluck someone else's eye out and pop it in your own eye ball because ASSPULL mode was turned on.

/rant over.

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[Ansatsuken]

Madara is madara, basiclly he is old timer guy, many thing he going through and research and learn. He knew the secret of the eye, even dont you remember he told Hashirama about secret of Madara body on tablet when he talking about Hokage, Uchiha and Tablet meaning.

I think that hold a secret of limbo and eyes of Madara

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

You go blind by something which you don't even need to activate?! Why? Sounds like an asspull to me

Yep, it's an asspull alright

I fail to comprehend your post due to no suspect-able subject. He doesn't need to activate Susano'o? Derp. He wouldn't go blind if he didn't use any techniques.

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

His brain produces the special chakra needed to use the technique. If experienced enough, it wouldn't have to be outputted through the eyes because it does not require eye contact. If Kishimoto thought it wasn't reasonable, he wouldn't have wrote the story out that way.

That's just a ridiculous way of thinking. Kamui requires no "eye contact" as well, but you don't see Obito absorbing people into his feet... U_U

 

[Draphsin]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Just because susanoo hurts your eyes doesn't mean that you need eyes to use it. Everything hurts when using susanoo.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Nope. Sasuke said only those who can use the power of MS can use this power. That doesn't mean it comes from eye- but rather that Susanoo is a power which needs a certain level of control and ability to manifest and handle it. And this explanation only got better support when later on Madara was able to use it blind- because he already had develped the ability and practice to control MS and much more.

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Susanoo was hurting Sasuke's eyes. Why would it strain Sasuke's eye like other MS jutsu? Eye is a special organ of the body that's affected only if you have a condition that hurts the eyes

Susanoo hurts sasuke's eyes. Clearly it's affected by Susanoo and vice versa

Karin healed Sasuke ... yet he lost his Susanoo when he becomes blind

You got it right

 

[Avani]

Susanoo was hurting Sasuke's eyes. Why would it strain Sasuke's eye like other MS jutsu? Eye is a special organ of the body that's affected only if you have a condition that hurts the eyes

Susanoo hurts sasuke's eyes. Clearly it's affected by Susanoo and vice versa



You got it right

Suit yourself. No two people read the same manga same way even while reading the same I guess. It tires the brains faster when you are controlling to many things at the same time. I have felt physically exhausted while straining my eye for far too long so I read it differently.

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

That's just a ridiculous way of thinking. Kamui requires no "eye contact" as well, but you don't see Obito absorbing people into his feet... U_U

That's because he actually had an eye to use it. You didn't see him using the long-range one, do you? Besides that, other techniques besides Susano'o don't require the special chakra once already unlocked. Kakashi could use Kamui without an Uchiha brain. He was able to again in the fight against Kaguya because his brain/mind, which Obito entered, produced the latter's chakra.

Susano'o(No eye contact) = Once Awakened + Original Chakra
Amaterasu(Eye contact) = Once Awakened + Eye Contact

This means Amaterasu could be used by Naruto if he stole Sasuke's eyes, but Susano'o could not, because he doesn't have Sasuke's special chakra.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Just because susanoo hurts your eyes doesn't mean that you need eyes to use it. Everything hurts when using susanoo.

Eyes are not everything. Eyes are special in Naruto. Specially for the Uchiha. And for the MS users. Too much MS spam = blood in eyes= blindness

Other parts of body hurting is a side effect. Susanoo hurts eyes like other MS jutsu (tsukuyomi and amaterasu). Obvious connection

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

That's because he actually had an eye to use it. You didn't see him using the long-range one, do you? Besides that, other techniques besides Susano'o don't require the special chakra once already unlocked. Kakashi could use Kamui without an Uchiha brain. He was able to again in the fight against Kaguya because his brain/mind, which Obito entered, produced the latter's chakra.

Susano'o(No eye contact) = Once Awakened + Original Chakra
Amaterasu(Eye contact) = Once Awakened + Eye Contact

This means Amaterasu could be used by Naruto if he stole Sasuke's eyes, but Susano'o could not, because he doesn't have Sasuke's special chakra.

Literally 100% speculation.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

you need eyes to awaken susanoo, from that point on its just a manifestation of your chakra.

just like bijuu mode.

 

[Holy God]

Re: If Susanoo doesn't need eyes to activate, why did it put strain on Sasuke's eye?

Literally 100% speculation.

Obviously, but it makes sense. Kishimoto shouldn't have to explain everything to us. My theory is backed up by all logic.